Alright, point taken. The complementary position would be that if porn didn't exist, would we all satisfy our basic desires in other, perhaps wholesome ways? I think the answer would be a more obvious polarization of behavior, and not the rather homogenous consumption of sleaze that inundates the market.
As for the "Class War", I wonder if British porn shows more cross-cultural or class-conscious scenarios? It seems the English have more of a class burden and thus it would be a particularly salient target for the industry.
I think the answer would be a more obvious polarization of behavior, and not the rather homogenous consumption of sleaze that inundates the market.
Quite. By getting the masses addicted to porn, TV, drugs etc., it makes them predictible and easily controlled and distracted.
Of course, if we didn't have porn or drugs, and if the massmedia wouldn't force feed us porn and drugs by talking about it all the time, we would be free in our minds to persue more noble goals. I'm of the firm conviction that freedom at any price, or freedom to do anything does not necessarily lead to positive results. Most people are like children, they don't know what's good for them. To leave it up to everyone the freedom to do anything leads to disaster.
To prove my point, I saw a documentary about an Iraqi TV producer, before the fall of Baghdad to the Americans. The TV station he worked for was of course state-controlled. The reporter doing the interview was ridiculing the TV producer for his reasons not to show American TV series like Baywatch or similar and more sexy (pornographic) stuff. The Iraqi producer basically said that those shows are destructive for the Islamic people and a way to demoralize society and subvert it, by breaking the Muslims attitude towards sexual intimacy being a holy and totally private matter.
In the name of democracy and freedom the interviewer was insinuating that the Iraqi TV producer was a madman, a brainwashed religious fanatic!
Of course he was no such thing. He was an adult man taking responsibility for his actions and using his discriminating mind, guarding and protecting their Islamic faith and their "Muslim way of life". As Bush would express it. Yeah, I know, the evil, baddie Saddam was dictating what to show and not show on Iraqi TV, that's not "democratic"! But surely, he was right in not wanting to show degrading, insulting, corrupting American TV trash on Iraqi TV?!?
I've met an Iraqi man once not so long ago, and he said Saddam encouraged everyone to get an education, everything paid for by the government and when you graduated you got to chose a flat with as many rooms in as the number of your family. If you had three kids you got a four-bedroom flat. Free.
He didn't say Saddam was a fantastically lovely chap, he just pointed out that life under Saddam in Iraq until the 70s was really not so bad as Western media would make it out to be. In fact, life was pretty good for a majority of Iraqis.
Did you know that under the Saddam regime there was total religious freedom in Iraq? Christians, Jews, Muslims of all variations could freely practice their faith. See, because Saddam was a SECULAR Muslim, meaning he didn't care about religion. This is why Osama actually hates Saddam and thinks he's a sell-out and therefore there could possibly be NO LINK between the two of them.
Back to my point, there are certain things that should be avoided at all cost, if one wants to avoid society rotting from the inside. There are certain leaders who have tried to do that in the past. They might've been dictators, one-man rulers. So what?
Dictatorship could by another word be called Kingship, i.e. Monarchy. Monarchy has been, and still is the most successful political system, and a most important part of the European heritage. Some legendary kings of Europe were actually canonized by the Catholic Church, not because they were good servants of the Church, but because they actually performed miracles.
Under the King should be a true aristocracy, i.e. "the rule of the best".
Democracy, by contrast, is "the rule of the masses". This is an impossibility because the "people" can't rule themselves, never could. In fact, democracy should really be called 'demonocracy', because the only thing to come out of the 'rule of the masses' is the mass mentality, which, without a guiding light of a true King - a spiritually fully manifested being - only has one way to go and that is DOWNWARDS towards the demons that control and dominate the 'masses'.
Democracy is the Rule of Quantity, in contrast to Monarchy (with Aristocracy), which is the Rule of Quality.
Sorry for waffling on off-topic, but I got inspired.;-)
If anyone is interested in these ideas, go to my <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=590&forum=3"> INTEGRAL TRADITION</a> thread and my <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=677&forum=3"> SOLIPSISM - KALI-YUGA - RIGHT-WING ATTITUDE</a> thread. Also, there is the <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=1652&forum=23 ">The Rule of Quantity Over Quality - The Myth of Democracy</a> thread of mine.
Truth, Beauty, Love
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Yes, just as physical entropy is an undeniable principle of the physical universe, so social and intellectual entropy are the norm without a "Life" injection by enlightened leaders, etc.
Even the mighty Rubicon would dissipate without its guiding banks.
Oh, and one more thing: unless you travel and are a student of cultural behavior (I am not), you cannot possibly know what is and what is not appropriate in other cultures. When in a restaurant, do you make eye contact with other patrons, or would that be rude? When in Tehran, do you get right to business, or do you sit and drink tea first? Ya just gotta be there!
By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 20, 2005; A21
The FBI is joining the Bush administration's War on Porn. And it's looking for a few good agents.
Early last month, the bureau's Washington Field Office began recruiting for a new anti-obscenity squad. Attached to the job posting was a July 29 Electronic Communication from FBI headquarters to all 56 field offices, describing the initiative as "one of the top priorities" of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and, by extension, of "the Director." That would be FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III.
Mischievous commentary began propagating around the water coolers at 601 Fourth St. NW and its satellites, where the FBI's second-largest field office concentrates on national security, high-technology crimes and public corruption.
The new squad will divert eight agents, a supervisor and assorted support staff to gather evidence against "manufacturers and purveyors" of pornography -- not the kind exploiting children, but the kind that depicts, and is marketed to, consenting adults.
"I guess this means we've won the war on terror," said one exasperated FBI agent, speaking on the condition of anonymity because poking fun at headquarters is not regarded as career-enhancing. "We must not need any more resources for espionage."
Among friends and trusted colleagues, an experienced national security analyst said, "it's a running joke for us."
A few of the printable samples:
"Things I Don't Want On My Résumé, Volume Four."
"I already gave at home."
"Honestly, most of the guys would have to recuse themselves."
Federal obscenity prosecutions, which have been out of style since Attorney General Edwin Meese III in the Reagan administration made pornography a signature issue in the 1980s, do "encounter many legal issues, including First Amendment claims," the FBI headquarters memo noted.
Applicants for the porn squad should therefore have a stomach for the kind of material that tends to be most offensive to local juries. Community standards -- along with a prurient purpose and absence of artistic merit -- define criminal obscenity under current Supreme Court doctrine.
"Based on a review of past successful cases in a variety of jurisdictions," the memo said, the best odds of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior." No word on the universe of other kinks that helps make porn a multibillion-dollar industry.
Popular acceptance of hard-core pornography has come a long way, with some of its stars becoming mainstream celebrities and their products -- once confined to seedy shops and theaters -- being "purveyed" by upscale hotels and most home cable and satellite television systems. Explicit sexual entertainment is a profit center for companies including General Motors Corp. and Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. (the two major owners of DirecTV), Time Warner Inc. and the Sheraton, Hilton, Marriott and Hyatt hotel chains.
But Gonzales endorses the rationale of predecessor Meese: that adult pornography is a threat to families and children. Christian conservatives, long skeptical of Gonzales, greeted the pornography initiative with what the Family Research Council called "a growing sense of confidence in our new attorney general."
Congress began funding the obscenity initiative in fiscal 2005 and specified that the FBI must devote 10 agents to adult pornography. The bureau decided to create a dedicated squad only in the Washington Field Office. "All other field offices may investigate obscenity cases pursuant to this initiative if resources are available," the directive from headquarters said. "Field offices should not, however, divert resources from higher priority matters, such as public corruption."
Public corruption, officially, is fourth on the FBI's priority list, after protecting the United States from terrorist attack, foreign espionage and cyber-based attacks. Just below those priorities are civil rights, organized crime, white-collar crime and "significant violent crime." The guidance from headquarters does not mention where pornography fits in.
"The Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation's top priority remains fighting the war on terrorism," said Justice Department press secretary Brian Roehrkasse. "However, it is not our sole priority. In fact, Congress has directed the department to focus on other priorities, such as obscenity."
At the FBI's field office, spokeswoman Debra Weierman expressed disappointment that some of her colleagues find grist for humor in the new campaign. "The adult obscenity squad . . . stems from an attorney general mandate, funded by Congress," she said. "The personnel assigned to this initiative take the responsibility of this assignment very seriously and are dedicated to the success of this program."
Yes, Mr. President, please launch the "war on porn." You know, the "war on drugs" has been soooooooooo successful.
And, at the same time, this effort will attempt to distance the pedophiles within our government from their connections to and participation in the "global sex trade, pedophile, prostitution, pornography rings and mind control "sex slave" programs.
Why now? What has happened to propel you into these muddy waters?
Portraying themselves again as those who rescue the masses from the illegal and immoral industries that they control and inflict upon society to help fund their black operations and satisfy their own "sexual deviant behavior."
The "sex and drug" crusade is responsible for the corruption of our children, and the addictions to both by young and old. Stripping us of productive citizens and the loss of values, morals and dignity.
In the end, they remain the perpetrators and the criminals.
I would simply prefer the authorities bust the Meth and Coke dealers.
The porn industry would collapse overnight.
No self respecting white woman/girl is going to be gangbanged by ten hung black guys for all the world to see unless she is off her head on Meth and Coke.
No self respecting black woman/girl is going to have her anus violated by ten white frat boys in full public view unless she is off her head on Meth and Coke.
The drug trade works because of police corruption. End of story. They recently cleaned out the local coppers here in Perth. The Meth DISSAPEARED! One year on and here we go again. Another bunch of corrupt arseholes claiming they need to let their criminal informants deal so they can gather intelligence. Now high quality Meth is EVERYWHERE. The Lebanese gangs have moved in from the Eastern States. Where are the coppers! I know this...why dont they? Of course they know it! They're all on the fucking stuff.
Wipe out the drug trade. Wipe out poverty and having the shock of seeing your sister gang raped on the telly will be no more. Every one of those girls has a mother and a father...a family.
Drugs are an ABSOLOUTE evil. By that I specifically mean the stimulants like Meth and Coke. They completly break down inhibitions and societal mores. Where you find sexual 'deviency' you find meth and coke. And I consider fucking so that 50 million people can watch you humiliated is 'devient'.
Suicide is COMMON in the porn industry.
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They cover it up quickly though, and it never makes big headlines if any. Must have good PR with the masses to keep the industry in a favorable light. :-? :-x
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Drugs are a major factor in the porn industry TB, but I’m afraid it would still continue even if you could remove the “drug factor”. Most of these girls (and guys) have been sexually abused during their childhood. That plays havoc with their emotional/mental wiring. They act out sexually for acceptance and security they did not get growing up. I’ve interviewed strippers with no history of hard core drug use, but they were all sexually abused. So sad. And lets not forget porn is a drug itself. It messes with the pleasure centers of your brain the same way cocaine does. Porn addiction has been compared to heroine addiction in terms of recovery. So, while I see your point about how drugs fuel the porn industry, unfortunately, other social/physiological factors would keep it going.
So, while I see your point about how drugs fuel the porn industry, unfortunately, other social/physiological factors would keep it going.
I beg to differ.
You note girls who work is strippers. There is a big gap between that and being gangbanged by ten guys on the telly.
There has NOT BEEN a hardcore porn movie made where the participants are not off their tit's on the good stuff.
In the 70's there was definately a more "arty" side to it. That is dead and gone.
There you will find many links to free movie clips. Find me one where they are not OBVIOUSLY off their heads...and believe me, i have had my fair share. It is self evident.
Drugs play 3 parts. Firstly, profits must be laundered. The porn industry is P-E-R-F-E-C-T for this. After production costs a DVD costs 50c to make...sell for $30-$50, or simply dump the disks and make a false receipt. Second, the drugs provide income to finance the equipment and setting up of websites and distribution channels. Thirdly, the "catnip" provides the final stimulus for a woman inparticular to lower herself to the level of a dog. Many of these people inject.
Teenage girls and boys are introduced to this drug early and the breakdown of their inhibitions begins.
Their is a fad that ALL prostitutes and ALL porn people ahve been sexually abused. What of the men? What of the millions of women who have been sexually abused and do not work in the sex industry?
That abuse can be a co-factor...i agree. But a deciding factor...i think not.
Meth inparticular is playing a leading role in the breakdown of societal values. I know "normal" people who after a few years of regular drug use, began to use human shit as a lubricant. Can you imagine that? That is what Meth inparticular does to the frontal lobes where values are processed by the brain...it destroys them and the ability to say..."hang on...ar'nt we going overboard here?"
There is not a cult or satanic/pagan get together that does not use Meth or Coke to manipulate and titilate the participants.
Meth/Benzadrine was used by all sides to increase aggresive and violent behaviour in soldiers. It lowers the inhibitions and allows normal men to kill without mercy. A Military Intelligence guy told me their were piles of syringes 2 ft high in the Indonesian barracks in East Timor. The "Militias" were ALL off their heads killing and maiming innocent women and children...Methamphetamine. That is how you turn "normal" people into animals.
Many can handle it. Most cannot.
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