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Old 09-27-2005, 08:37 AM
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Default Re: Video On The Origens Of The Illuminati/Mason Movement. "The Lightbringers" By Juri Lina.


Thanks for the respnse Finn

You know, I read a citation from Secret Doctrine where she speaks about Lucifer being in the Garden of Eden helping Adam and Eve to be free from God. Thus, Lucifier and the Serpent being documented as being one and the same back in 4000 BC. Let me try and find it. Sometimes my ob can be so annoying, it keeps me from researching all this fun conspiracy stuff as quickly as I would like . Get back to you a little later.

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Old 09-27-2005, 08:55 AM
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Default Re: Video On The Origens Of The Illuminati/Mason Movement. "The Lightbringers" By Juri Lina.

Hi Stranger,

Yep, I quess the Serpent and Lucifer are the same entity according to Blavatsky whereas the Great Beast in the book of revelations is again the Satan character.
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Old 09-27-2005, 09:26 AM
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Default Re: Video On The Origens Of The Illuminati/Mason Movement. "The Lightbringers" By Juri Lina.

Here we go,

"One of the most hidden secrets involves the so-called fall of Angels. Satan and his rebellious host will thus prove to have become the direct Saviours and Creators of divine man. Thus Satan, once he ceases to be viewed in the superstitious spirit of the church, grows into the grandiose image It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God. Satan (or Lucifer) represents the Centrifugal Energy of the Universe this ever-living symbol of self-sacrifice for the intellectual independence of humanity." H.P. Blavatsky, The Secret Doctrine, pg. 215, 216, 220,245,255,533 The last line sits on a page headed Holy Satan

Blavatsky also wrote: Lucifer represents Life Thought Progress Civilization Liberty Independence Lucifer is the Logos the Serpent, the Saviour. " H.P. Blavatsky, The Secret Doctrine, Vol. II pg. 171,225,255

Alice Bailey also has many other similar quotes. Theosophists know exactly who they worship, no matter how much they try and sugarcoat it.

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Many of the central teachings in theosophy are indeed in the grey area
That's interesting, I see it more black and white when you sort out their fluff, but then again, I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer

I drive by the Theosophy's Headquarters everyday. I live by it in the burbs of Chicago. (oh no, now I did it. I revealed my location, here come the black suits) Creepy place, got some weird stories to share about that place, evil.
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Old 09-27-2005, 10:17 AM
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Default Re: Video On The Origens Of The Illuminati/Mason Movement. "The Lightbringers" By Juri Lina.

Hi Stranger,

Very interesting post, thanks. Now I am confused because I am certain Lucifer and Satan are pictured as two different beings in the theosophic circles.

But again, there is some groups with slightly different emphasis branching out from the theosophic society.

I am calling the theosophic content grey because it claims that road to good goes through evil. That evil is a tool of good.

Even though I must say that the media that presents white middle class corrupt and meaningless christianity as a path to truth and salvation is as depressing and blind as the dusty doctrines of Ms Blavatsky.

I personally think all the major institutionalised religions will disappear within time, and hopefully rather sooner than later.

Don't you all think it is time for human beigns to take their responsibility of their own thoughts and not let some guy in a cloak to deside how they should live their life.

The history shows the biggest conspirator of all times is the catholic church. Now there is murder, plundering, secrecy and torture for you.
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Old 09-27-2005, 10:36 AM
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Default Re: Video On The Origens Of The Illuminati/Mason Movement. "The Lightbringers" By Juri Lina.

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I personally think all the major institutionalised religions will disappear within time, and hopefully rather sooner than later.
There was another guy who said something similar...

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As for the Church? We shall let it wither on the vine. Adolph Hitler.
Luciferian would best describe Hitler. He trusted his own intellect at any given moment to see him through.

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Don't you all think it is time for human beigns to take their responsibility of their own thoughts and not let some guy in a cloak to deside how they should live their life.
If the man in the cloak is "rightous" in the true sense of the word and speaking out against injustice and helping his flock strive for true spiritual values as taught by Christ then yes, you should let that guy decide. Through him the word of God is passed down to the flock. When I need a plumber I call a plumber. When in need of spiritual advice you call your priest. Not that there are too many worth calling these days...if thats what you mean.

The Churches are finished because they have sidelined themselves and have become social gatherings and forms of control instead of places of spiritual insight and transformation. Now the young head down to the Socialist meetings for inspiration.

You should not throw the baby out with the bath water.

The freedoms you no doubt appreciate have their base rooted in the Christian faith...political and judicial. You sound like a "Humanist" who believes the intellect of man is good enough. When times are good...yes, it will get you buy. But when times get tough the spirtually devoid rapidly fall apart and are easily led by the nose to somewhere they might not have planned on going.
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Old 09-27-2005, 11:42 AM
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Default Re: Video On The Origens Of The Illuminati/Mason Movement. "The Lightbringers" By Juri Lina.

Truebeliever,

I do not want to sound like Hitler. And yes, he does seem luciferian, now when you mention it.

But please, don't get me wrong. I respect people's faith. I regard Christ as one of the greatest teachers ever set their foot on earth. Religious thoughts strenghten people and provide hope when times otherwise seem dark.

Too rarely, I'm afraid, are the great religions pro faith but money and power.

But I still think people must deside for themselves, how ever painful it might be. Otherwise we are no better than our prosecutors.
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Old 09-27-2005, 12:39 PM
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Default Re: Video On The Origens Of The Illuminati/Mason Movement. "The Lightbringers" By Juri Lina.

Guys, in my humble opinion you seem to spend a lot of time thinking about Satan/Lucifer, and not really that much time thinking about God. I'm not suggesting anything more, than the simple notion that if you fill yourselves with God there's no place for the Devil.

Don't get too bogged down by trying to find out whether it's Lucifer or Satan who's the really evil one. Wouldn't it be easier to just say there is Evil in the world and call it evil as soon as you see it's evil?

The rest of the time one should think about and concern oneself with God. In that sense I agree with Ahmad when he said whatever occupies your mind most of the time, that's your god.

Why should I read Blavatsky, or Bailey to find insights and wisdom about the Sacred and the Divine when I can read the Quran, the Bible, the Vedas, Buddhist Sacred texts, the Tao, etc.?

In your search for the Sacred and the Divine, do you turn to Aleister Crowley too? I'm sure he had a lot to say about God and Lucifer, but is he trustworthy?

Is Blavatsky or Bailey trustworthy?

Why read secondary sources when you can read primary ones?
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Old 09-27-2005, 02:49 PM
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Default Re: Video On The Origens Of The Illuminati/Mason Movement. "The Lightbringers" By Juri Lina.

Wow, where to begin? Well.....

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Guys, in my humble opinion you seem to spend a lot of time thinking about Satan/Lucifer, and not really that much time thinking about God
Drak, as you see, the topic of the thread is the Illuminati/Masons. The topic is not "what is your view of God" When talking about the origins of the Illuminati, the topic of Satan is going to come up. If you would like to start a thread on God, please do, I would enjoy that.


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Wouldn't it be easier to just say there is Evil in the world and call it evil as soon as you see it's evil?
I do not agree with the New Age trend of referring to a factual Devil as a general concept of just "evil in the world". IMHI, that is very dangerous road to go down, plays into his plan (explanation too long and boring to post, but willing to if needed).

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Why should I read Blavatsky, or Bailey to find insights and wisdom about the Sacred and the Divine
You are incorrectly declaring that we are (or I am) reading Blavatsky and Bailey to find insight. Good neighbor! Nothing could be further from the truth. I stumbled across their Lies quite by accident, however, when I further researched their garbage it helped me see that there really is a Conspiracy to wipe out the population.

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when I can read the Quran, the Bible, the Vedas, Buddhist Sacred texts, the Tao, etc.?
OK, here it goes, this is going to tick off the New Agers here, but these are desperate times, so let the sparks fly. While attempting to be well intentioned Drake, that above quote will be well received by the NWO. We know that they are going to force a one world religion down our throats, a religion nicely described in your quote. No thanks, I do not need the Vedas, Buddhist Sacred texts or the Quran. The Holy Bible is completely sufficient, that is why the Illuminati hates that Book, and why they will go after the Christians first.

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In your search for the Sacred and the Divine, do you turn to Aleister Crowley too?
What in the wide wide world of sports are you talking about??????? No where in this thread do I get the feeling that any of the respondents that researched this topic were doing so to get Divine insight.

If you want to start a separate thread about God, great, I'm there! That is my first and favorite subject.

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Old 09-27-2005, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: Video On The Origens Of The Illuminati/Mason Movement. "The Lightbringers" By Juri Lina.

Yes, I have read one. It is Paulo.
The guy is an awful writer. All the attention he receives is because of his encounters with spirit guides and the philosophy they preach, which is basically new age.
He used to be a very disturbed young man, who was interned in a psychiatric house by his own family.
Then he became a hippie and wrote lyrics with raul Seixas, a rock star here, very involved with occultism and drugs (he died young of overdose).
After Raul died, he became a bum without goals in life, until Satan thought he would be useful for his cause. The secret of his sucess is totally spiritual...he has absolutely no talent whatsoever.



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Many of the central teachings in theosophy are indeed in the grey area.

Have you read any books by Paolo Coelho, Saturnino?
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Old 09-27-2005, 03:44 PM
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Default Re: Video On The Origens Of The Illuminati/Mason Movement. "The Lightbringers" By Juri Lina.

It is not because we talk in this forum that people here are always thinking about Satan. In my prayer time you can bet I am not thinking about him. In a sense you are right, thinking about God, His character and His will is the only way to go.

The problem is that this forum is about the NWO and for most people here, Satan is the one behind it, so eventually we have to talk about him.

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Guys, in my humble opinion you seem to spend a lot of time thinking about Satan/Lucifer, and not really that much time thinking about God. I'm not suggesting anything more, than the simple notion that if you fill yourselves with God there's no place for the Devil.
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