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Old 12-09-2004, 07:30 AM
Ahmad Ahmad is offline
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Default Re: Dis-info. II

To answer the second post of yours 55132, i will reply only to the Quranic verses you cited, as for the Hadith (Tabari,Muslim,Bukhari, Isaac..etc) quotes, they are good examples of Satan's brainwashing of the Muslims (however no brainwashing or mind control lasts with the sincere).

1- You cited the verse [4:3] which Satan propagates that it encourages Polygamy, here i will present the correct translation (translated by the messenger of the covenant Rashad Khalifa in the "Authorized english translation of Quran):

[4:3] If you deem it best for the orphans, you may marry their mothers - you may marry two, three, or four. If you fear lest you become unfair, then you shall be content with only one, or with what you already have. Additionally, you are thus more likely to avoid financial hardship.

And here i present you the article of late the messenger about Polygamy in his appendix 30 to the authorized translation:

Appendix 30
of the Authorized English translation of the Quran by Dr. Rashad Khalifa


(Polygamy was a way of life until the Quran was revealed 1400 years ago. When the earth was young and under-populated, polygamy was one way of populating it and bringing in the human beings needed to carry out God's plan.
By the time the Quran was revealed, the world had been sufficiently populated, and the Quran put down the first limitations against polygamy.
Polygamy is permitted in the Quran, but under strictly observed circumstances. Any abuse of this divine permission incurs severe retribution. Thus, although polygamy is permitted by God, it behooves us to examine our circumstances carefully before saying that a particular polygamous relationship is permissible.

Our perfect example here is the prophet Muhammad. He was married to one wife, Khadijah, until she died. He had all his children, except one, from Khadijah. Thus, she and her children enjoyed the Prophet's full attention for as long as she was married to him; twenty-five years.
For all practical purposes, Muhammad had one wife - from the age of 25 to 50. During the remaining 13 years of his life, he married the aged widows of his friends who left many children. The children needed a complete home, with a fatherly figure, and the Prophetprovided that. Providing a fatherly figure for orphans is the only specific circumstance in support of polygamy mentioned in the Quran (4:3).

Other than marrying widowed mothers of orphans, there were three political marriages in the Prophet's life. His close friends Abu Bakr and Omar insisted that he marry their daughters, Aisha and Hafsah, to establish traditional family ties among them. The third marriage was to Maria the Egyptian; she was given to him as a political gesture of friendship from the ruler of Egypt.

This perfect example tells us that a man must give his full attentionand loyalty in marriage to his wife and children in order to raise a happy and wholesome family. The Quran emphasizes the limitations against polygamy in very strong words:"If you fear lest you may not be perfectly equitable in treating more than one wife, then you shall be content with one." (4:3)
"You cannot be equitable in a polygamous relationship, no matter how hard you try." (4:129)

The Quranic limitations against polygamy point out the possibility of abusing God's law. Therefore, unless we are absolutely sure that God's law will not be abused, we had better resist our lust and stay away from polygamy. If the circumstances do not dictate polygamy, we had better give our full attention to one wife and one set of children.

The children's psychological and social well-being, especially in countries where polygamy is prohibited, almost invariably dictate monogamy. A few basic criteria must be observed in contemplating polygamy:

1. It must alleviate pain and suffering and not cause any pain or suffering.
2. If you have a young family, it is almost certain that polygamy is an abuse.
3. Polygamy to substitute a younger wife is an abuse of God's law (4:19). Rashad Khalifa P.hd


2- As for the next verse you cited:

[4:11] GOD decrees a will for the benefit of your children; the male gets twice the share of the female. If the inheritors are only women, more than two, they get two-thirds of what is bequeathed. If only one daughter is left, she gets one-half. The parents of the deceased get one-sixth of the inheritance each, if the deceased has left any children. If he left no children, and his parents are the only inheritors, the mother gets one-third. If he has siblings, then the mother gets one-sixth. All this, after fulfilling any will the deceased has left, and after paying off all debts. When it comes to your parents and your children, you do not know which of them is really the best to you and the most beneficial. This is GOD's law. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

The design of God entails that the men are made responsible of their families, thus the daughter is taken care of by her husband. The messenger of the covenant also mentioned in a footnote to this verse: "However, Quran recommends in 2:180 that a will shall be left to conform with the specific circumstances of the deceased. For example, if the son is rich and the daughter is poor, one may leave a will giving the daughter everything, or twice as much as the son." Rashad khalifa Ph.D.


3- Then you blasphemed against God by saying:
"Qur’an 4:43 “Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving.” [The Qur’an claims women are unclean and polluted—worse than dirt.]"

If it's out of ignorance perhaps God may forgive you, the above verse is twisted, here is the correct translation first:

[4:43] O you who believe, do not observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) while intoxicated, so that you know what you are saying. Nor after sexual orgasm without bathing, unless you are on the road, traveling; if you are ill or traveling, or you had urinary or fecal-related excretion (such as gas), or contacted the women (sexually), and you cannot find water, you shall observe Tayammum (dry ablution) by touching clean dry soil, then wiping your faces and hands therewith. GOD is Pardoner, Forgiver.

The Hadith books claim that women are unclean, it's always Satan who stresses the differences (gender, color, race, belief...etc) to create conflict and disharmony.


4- The next verse you cited is "the head scarf" verse!. This verse has been severly distorted by the satanic translators as per the translation you cite, my mother tongue is Arabic, and i know that the authorized translation of the messenger Rashad khalifa is the most correct (authorized by God).

satans' translation you cited(dis-info.):
Qur’an 33:59 “Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better.”

God's authorized translation: (the Truth)
[33:59] O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall lengthen their garments. Thus, they will be recognized (as righteous women) and avoid being insulted. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

It is clear that there is no mention of the head scarf inthis verse, Satan distorted this verse to dupe millions to cover their heads!. The verse clearly talks about LENGTHENING THE GARMENTS. You may know how a mini-garment could draw the attention of men and distract us from righteousness and degrade women. The best garment recommended by God is the garment of righteousness. A modest dress will surely protect the dignity of women instead of the degradation by the media and the beauty contests that turn them into lifeless objects (idols rivaling God). Satan advocates extremes (Nudism, and total veiling), God advocvates the balanced, middle path, the path of righteousness.

You cited the following verse out of context,

Qur’an 24:31 “Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty except what (must) appear; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display them except to their husbands...”

Here is the correct authorized translation of this verse, along with the verse preceeding it:
[24:30] Tell the believing men that they shall subdue their eyes (and not stare at the women), and to maintain their chastity. This is purer for them. GOD is fully Cognizant of everything they do.
[24:31] And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to GOD, O you believers, that you may succeed.

The verses protect the woman's dignity, the command of subduing the eyes from staring lustfully at women is what will prevent the society from moral breakdown (the command is also applicable to pornography), obsession and idolizing the beauty of women or men and inability to relate it to its creator is the direct result of staring at each other lustfully. A righteous society refrains from sexual lusts except within God's balanced system of marriage.


5- then you mention the verse of "health quarantine":


Qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.”

Here is the correct translation:

[4:15] Those who commit adultery among your women, you must have four witnesses against them, from among you. If they do bear witness, then you shall keep such women in their homes until they die, or until GOD creates an exit for them.

And here is the footnote of this verse explained by the messenger of the covenant Rashad khalifa:

(4:15 A woman witnessed by four people in the act of commiting adultery on four different occasions, with four different partners, represents a danger to public health. Such a woman is a depository of germs, and a health quarantine protects the society from her. A good example of an exit that saves a quarantined woman is marriage-someone may wish to marry her, and thus protect her and the society.) Rashad Khalifa Ph.D


6- Then you mention what you call {freedom to pimp card) !

You mentioned: Qur’an 24:33 “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here’s the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving.”

First here is the correct translation:

[24:33] Those who cannot afford to get married shall maintain morality until GOD provides for them from His grace. Those among your servants who wish to be freed in order to marry, you shall grant them their wish, once you realize that they are honest. And give them from GOD's money that He has bestowed upon you. You shall not force your girls to commit prostitution, seeking the materials of this world, if they wish to be chaste. If anyone forces them, then GOD, seeing that they are forced, is Forgiver, Merciful.

Any sincere person would understand this as a command not to accept or promote prostitution ever for the chaste girls of the submitters families. If any wicked person forces them to prostitution, God, The Most Merciful will forgive the girls because of being forced.


7- Then you go to a popular accustaion to Quran:

Qur’an 24:2 For the woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.”

Here is the correct translation:

[24:2] The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out GOD's law, if you truly believe in GOD and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty.

And here is the footnote to this verse by the messenger Rashad Khalifa from his authorized translation:
(24:2 Social pressure, i.e: public witnessing of the penalty, is the basic punishment, see also 5:38. The lashes shall be symbolic, not severe) Rashad Khalifa Ph.D

As for the wicked biased human beings, they will interpret it in violent terms, thus everyone is exposed, although they read the same book!


8- The last verse you cited was te following:

Qur’an 24:6 “And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth.”

Again you took the verse out of context to prove your point that Quran is biased against women!

Here is the context:

[24:6] As for those who accuse their own spouses, without any other witnesses, then the testimony may be accepted if he swears by GOD four times that he is telling the truth.

[24:7] The fifth oath shall be to incur GOD's condemnation upon him, if he was lying.

[24:8] She shall be considered innocent if she swears by GOD four times that he is a liar.

[24:9] The fifth oath shall incur GOD's wrath upon her if he was telling the truth.

[24:10] This is GOD's grace and mercy towards you. GOD is Redeemer, Wise.

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