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Old 11-22-2005, 08:20 AM
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Took your time Sat, take it your busy today, but I knew you couldn't sit back and watch TB muck it up.

You did read the first post didn't you?

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Bondi has not answered one question.
Like I have said to TB, post what I've missed.

Would you like your own thread as well, feel free to start it, but I am not discussion faith issues, if you disagree with masonry because you feel it contradicts your faith so be it, that is not my concern.

If you want to prove masonry is a religion, murderous gang etc, start a thread I will be there.

Same rules,

One claim per post, line them up and I will respond.

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All he says is that his lodge doesn't work with the New World Order.
Well it doesn't!

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When confronted with the many testimonies, publications and books about the evil in Masonry he just says: we don't do this and avoids the question. Or he says: this is not Masonry, or this only happens in America. Slick as a wet soap bar.
If something happens in my local church, does that make it so for the whole of Christianity?

The only piece I recall being confronted with was regarding a mans testimony to the ritual of the 33rd degree, of which he never received, or attended, not really sure how I didn't answer that.

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He is totally evasive and is taking valuable time from us, who should be discussing the NWO.
Yes the discussion are invaluable, really hitting the spot in this section of the board.

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Old 11-22-2005, 08:26 AM
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No no, Bondi.
You can't fool anyone here. You haven't discussed any of the websites I mentioned. Did you read anything from the ex-masons for Jesus website ?
Are they all liars ?

Haven't you read anything from the www.cuttingedge.org website ? Of course not.
Have you bought the Masonry beyond the Light book ? of ocurse not.
Have you read Morals & Dogma from Pike ? Of course not.

YOU HAVEN'T DISCUSSED ANY OF THE ACCUSATIONS against Masonry, besides telling us that in your lodge you don't do it.

Again, it is your word (which is not be trusted, since it is tied by an OATH) against hundreds of evidences.

What you want to do is waste our time and never answer anything.

Go read the materials I pointed and THEN we can talk.
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Old 11-22-2005, 09:22 AM
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Jonathan Harris should sue you for defaming his image. I have been to Brazil and it is a beautiful country, so how do the allow a tin god like you to pollute it. In defense of a defense less bastard bully like Trueshithead because you are the same coward that uses the INTERNET to punish any who post here but do not hate, hate, hate like you do. What pisses you and your cabal off the most is when you get what you cunts dish out (once again, I don't know what the hell you are). You just can't take it so you send messages back an d forth between yourselves preparing the attack especially if the poster is infinitely smarter than you Like BONDI. You know as well as I now Makow will soon pull the plug on me, but before he does you need to know that the NWO will kick your flea bitten ass to hell, your attitude and foul mouth (which I am coping) will never allow anyone to take a cunt or dick like you seriously. You are a fat greasy spider ( no disrespect to spiders) waiting to pounce on any one especially young intelligent posters and attempt to tear them apart like yo momma BlueAngel. No one hear gives a shit about the countries you have lived in or any of your other ramblings. Most of the time you mess up an English phrase here or there, but if someone points it out as proving that you are a true idiot you get offended like with redrat, but if you climb up some ones ass that is perfectly kosher (get it dunce). Like I said the NWO which is really the OWO will wipe your ass from off the world and you will probably enjoy it as long as it does involve your ass. Is this getting long enough for you to comprehend. You should be proud of being such a dog fucker like that it Trueasshole that you can make people despise you over th e INTERNET that really take intelligence and honor. A piece of shit like you would not know intelligence if you sat on it . It would tingle your over sized asshole and give you a thrill. Now since a bright all knowing adult like you is so fond of playing who gets the last word, Cunt cream its your turn. You know mulla fucker you are LOST IN SPACE.
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Old 11-22-2005, 10:09 AM
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Go read the materials I pointed and THEN we can talk.
i think I have threads to cover them all now, do tell if I have missed any wont you.
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Old 11-22-2005, 10:13 AM
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Blue,

Sorry man, I was just trying to give you advice.
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Old 11-22-2005, 10:44 AM
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Here's a long one (not a dick so don't get fevered up) for you bitchnurse, one you really need to study and you to claparino:

CARL JUNG
1875 - 1961
Dr. C. George Boeree

Anyone who wants to know the human psyche will learn next to nothing from experimental psychology. He would be better advised to abandon exact science, put away his scholar's gown, bid farewell to his study, and wander with human heart throught the world. There in the horrors of prisons, lunatic asylums and hospitals, in drab suburban pubs, in brothels and gambling-hells, in the salons of the elegant, the Stock Exchanges, socialist meetings, churches, revivalist gatherings and ecstatic sects, through love and hate, through the experience of passion in every form in his own body, he would reap richer stores of knowledge than text-books a foot thick could give him, and he will know how to doctor the sick with a real knowledge of the human soul. -- Carl Jung
Freud said that the goal of therapy was to make the unconscious conscious. He certainly made that the goal of his work as a theorist. And yet he makes the unconscious sound very unpleasant, to say the least: It is a cauldron of seething desires, a bottomless pit of perverse and incestuous cravings, a burial ground for frightening experiences which nevertheless come back to haunt us. Frankly, it doesn't sound like anything I'd like to make conscious!
A younger colleague of his, Carl Jung, was to make the exploration of this "inner space" his life's work. He went equipped with a background in Freudian theory, of course, and with an apparently inexhaustible knowledge of mythology, religion, and philosophy. Jung was especially knowledgeable in the symbolism of complex mystical traditions such as Gnosticism, Alchemy, Kabala, and similar traditions in Hinduism and Buddhism. If anyone could make sense of the unconscious and its habit of revealing itself only in symbolic form, it would be Carl Jung.
He had, in addition, a capacity for very lucid dreaming and occasional visions. In the fall of 1913, he had a vision of a "monstrous flood" engulfing most of Europe and lapping at the mountains of his native Switzerland. He saw thousands of people drowning and civilization crumbling. Then, the waters turned into blood. This vision was followed, in the next few weeks, by dreams of eternal winters and rivers of blood. He was afraid that he was becoming psychotic.
But on August 1 of that year, World War I began. Jung felt that there had been a connection, somehow, between himself as an individual and humanity in general that could not be explained away. From then until 1928, he was to go through a rather painful process of self-exploration that formed the basis of all of his later theorizing.
He carefully recorded his dreams, fantasies, and visions, and drew, painted, and sculpted them as well. He found that his experiences tended to form themselves into persons, beginning with a wise old man and his companion, a little girl. The wise old man evolved, over a number of dreams, into a sort of spiritual guru. The little girl became "anima," the feminine soul, who served as his main medium of communication with the deeper aspects of his unconscious.
A leathery brown dwarf would show up guarding the entrance to the unconscious. He was "the shadow," a primitive companion for Jung's ego. Jung dreamt that he and the dwarf killed a beautiful blond youth, whom he called Siegfried. For Jung, this represented a warning about the dangers of the worship of glory and heroism which would soon cause so much sorrow all over Europe -- and a warning about the dangers of some of his own tendencies towards hero-worship, of Sigmund Freud!
Jung dreamt a great deal about the dead, the land of the dead, and the rising of the dead. These represented the unconscious itself -- not the "little" personal unconscious that Freud made such a big deal out of, but a new collective unconscious of humanity itself, an unconscious that could contain all the dead, not just our personal ghosts. Jung began to see the mentally ill as people who are haunted by these ghosts, in an age where no-one is supposed to even believe in them. If we could only recapture our mythologies, we would understand these ghosts, become comfortable with the dead, and heal our mental illnesses.
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Old 11-22-2005, 11:26 AM
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Bondi if you are a member of this secret society Im thinking the onus is on you to put things right if you know for a fact that certain comments are not accurate.
By issueing a challange it appears as though you are highly threatened by certain things that have been said I for one arnt on here enough to catch anywhere near everything so I wouldnt mind seeing an informed debate on the masons from you or whoever else.
But how can you be sure your information is accurate from my understanding of the freemasons the bottom tiers know virtually nothing about what is truely going on, indeed you would have to be near the top or at least up the chain somewhat (if existing allegations against which you wish to defend are correct) to know anything about it other than its apearance of a slightly mysterious men only yacht club.
What level freemason are you?
Or arnt you allowed to tell?
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Old 11-22-2005, 05:32 PM
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Here Mr ANONAMOUS. Post your love of my mate Jungy HERE.

Thats what I put the thread their for.

Glad someone else likes his stuff. We can discuss it. Have read his entire works several times over for the last 13 years.

Whats your favourite book or paper? Have you read his collected works? I always wanted it in leather bound volumes but the price was ASTRONOMICAL!

We can discuss dreams and astrological symbolism over at the other thread.

How exciting! A best buddy to discuss that scoundrel Jung, with!
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