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Old 11-22-2005, 06:33 PM
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Default Re: might as well write a book.. look at the length

I Just want to clarify something about fascism. That goes for Draken and Truebeliev and all the rest of you. But I can't believe I'm doing this.


It's all about Fascism and it's story during the 1900s- Big business had its enormous success due to the expense of the lone citizen and that was a very clearly central characteristic of government policy in Germany and Italy in those years before those countries were really chewed up and puked out by fascism. Fascist dictatorships were borne to power in each of these countries by big business, and they served the interests of big business with some quite remarkable ferocity. These facts have been lost to the main consciousness in todays North America and ..obviously.. Australia... Fascism could therefore return to them NOW, and they will not even recognize it. There is one Huey Long, one of America’s most brilliant and most corrupt politicians, he was once asked if America would ever see fascism. His answer was, “Yes, but we will call it anti-fascism”.

We can see this in disturbing parallels between our own time and that era of more outspoken fascism. Present-day political fashions are leading down the path already trodden by Italy and Germany.

Thurman Arnold, who was head of the Anti-trust Section of the U.S. Department of Justice in 1939 once said:

"Germany presents the logical end of the process of cartelization. From 1923 to 1935 cartelization grew in Germany until finally that nation was so organized that everyone had to belong either to a squad, a regiment or a brigade in order to survive. The names given to these squads, regiments or brigades were cartels, trade associations, unions and trusts. Such a distribution system could not adjust its prices. It needed a general with quasi-military authority who could order the workers to work and the mills to produce. Hitler named himself that general. Had it not been Hitler it would have been someone else.”

Confused? Most of you probably think you know fascism or what it means, stands for.. IS?
Most probably you think it doesn't exist any longer. But if you really try to clearly define it, then you'll most probably not get very far with your explanation, in terms of the politival and economic characteristics of Fascism.

Germany and Italy were so called "liberal democracies" before the rise of F. But F just didn't appear from nowhere, rather it happened at the end of a development that was economic and political while still the countries were democratic. What happende was that the economic power
in these countries were so focused in small tight groups that just a few men really ruled all business, in Germany AND Italy. Economic power, as you know, becomes political power is vast enough. The political powers of that business in Germany AND Italy SUPPORTED Fascism.

How they did it? THe economic powers got a great grip on their countries via economic cartels and business associations/ fellows. THey had immense control over all aspects of business. Tight tight. They controlled pricing, supply, licensing of patent and YOU NAME IT, they controlled it. THey were totally private all these businesses but legal. THere were no effecive antitrust laws in Italy or Germany so what could they do? Somehow, it actually reminds me very much of the bsiness they run in the US, and at times it feels like Europe is going the same way, but much slower. Everybody in business was crying for "self-regulation" and telling pliticians that they could manage themselves. Right... ANd so, in the mid-20s the free market was gone totally, and the economic power had seized "command and control" over the whole.

Many rich people were now in effect ruling the country; Fritz THyssen controlled Germanys coal production, I.G. Farben ruled the industrial trust and chemical plants. Germany had nothing to say against these rich people. Hitler made sure certain taxes were lowered for large businiess while raising small-business-tax. THe living cost for the average family was efectively raised by his repeals of price-ceilings of various essential products. This meant that the middle-class was effectively DESTROYED. No small business-no middle class. That they wre his most adamnt supporters shows what a great propaganda-machine he had at his disposal. But certainly, he knew the power of visual message better thn anyone, being a failed artist.

Hitler illegalizzed Strikes. THis was naturally a dream come true for the big business. Nazi-regulation gave total control over wages and working conditions to the leaders of big business. Nazi regulation also used frewuent "compulsory" (slave) labour. Untermenschen were naturally part of this strategy, to cause acceptance among the supportive middle-class for non-paid workers. Remember "Arbeit Macht Frei".

Same in Italy during the intersection between WWI and WWII. The industrial majors; FIAT and Ansaldo shipping are good examples here but you can find many others. Land ownership was also highly concentrated and impossible to get around. Farming was carried out, through that regime, by landless peasants just like the so called "share-croppers" of the US south.

Mussolini, a ferocious Socialist when young, also used socialist language (just like hitler) to tempt people to trust him and his grand scheme. He even talked about fighitn for a social structure reminscent of a huge coorporation. Specifically, he actually meant for the countrys industry to be sseparated into different "corporazioni", the Italian term. ALl disputes would be resolved within this structure. If they didn't, the fascist state would intervene. The corporazioni were controlled absolutely by ther owners. Mussolini also banned strikes and turned labourers into speechless peasants.

So, the rise of Fascism very much included the aboslute power of a totally free market and powerless workers. This was in all instances facilitated both by Hitler and Mussolini.

There are alarm-bells that should go off regarding our prsent-day US. and other similar markets.
The issue of Freedom for one was also used freely during the twenties to associate free markets and absolute deregulation as a boon for the single citizen. But the use of the state to protect the freedom of the big business, that is fascism! If you want to make up your own definitions about things feel free, but don't be surprised if noone understand what you are talking about.

Neo-liberals often feel the need to allow for violence in order to protect ownership. In order to protect business you need just as large force. One Macdonalds and One Macdonnel DOuglas.
Neo-liberalists want a free for all non regulation to include the state to protect their private interests. This is identical to the politics of Mussolini and Hitler. No fear of big state, only desire to wield its power.

Therefore, in conclusion, we all must see that Fascism comes out of a confused and unclear wish for freedom.

But the benign freedom is applied differently; in the most basic terms it can be put like this:

Individual and good Freedom must not ever mean that another person is less free. If I want to have a right to life, then you must lose the right to kill me.

Clear enough?
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