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Old 12-02-2005, 12:46 PM
Saturnino Saturnino is offline
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Default Re: In the Beginning...

I guess we are, TB.
What you may get (this is controversial) in the primordial soup is simple proteins, with both spacial directions...the prions.
So you don't get life (that needs proteins in only one spacial orientation)...the best you can get is Mad Cow disease. :-)

Seriously, the math is totally against it. You can't get a language (coded info) as the DNA by chance.

The best books about it are from micro biologists that know how a cell work...I think one is "Defeating Darwin with an Open Mind".

Philosophically it also doesn't work. Read "Not a Chance" by R. C. Sproul.

Personally, I think God has the capacity of organizing the molecules instantly in life form if He wants, otherwise He wouldn't be able to ressurect Lazarus, multiply fish or cure a blind eye. No need of soup at all.

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Old 12-02-2005, 05:22 PM
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I disagree. In each of the "miracle" cases He had something to work with.

I see the hand of God everwhere and that includes the soup. When that DNA, over time, forms new shapes and connections I see God at work.

Did'nt God "labour" and even rest on the 7th day?

Honestly, i know where your coming from. I agree...the evidence of divine direction is right before our eyes. But I have no problem with us starting from soup which appears to have come with the planet.

The hand of God has to be in their somewhere to "animate" it. I have no problem with that.

Will check out the books. Again, i dont see the argument? You seem to be saying that my love of "primordial soup" denotes some sort of "chance"? Not so, it was simply what God began working with. Or He started working by first creating the Hydrogen atom and the rest is history.

Whatever. The hand of a divine creator is there. Like they say, if you saw a fine Swiss Watch lying on the ground it would never occur to you that it had "spontaneously" assembled itself from nothing by sheer "chance".

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Old 12-03-2005, 12:00 PM
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I understand your point TB. It is just that personnaly I believe God started creating time and space itself. What comes before that is just too much for our minds to grasp.
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