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Old 02-12-2005, 06:48 AM
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Hey Draken...also alot of oil under that fertile soil in the former Yugoslavia.

Milosovich is giving them hell in the Haig.

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Old 02-12-2005, 07:22 AM
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Hey O.C.

I have to agree here. Communism is not dead. It's alive and well and lives on in the U.N and their goal of destroying Christianity and replacing it with Secular Humanism.

The Communistic faith is defined by Dialectical Materialism. Rationality.

It's bent on destroying the human spirit and it's faith in a supernatural God.

It has it's base in the Illuminati.

The Illuminati despised the religious faith of the common people. They believe they are above faith and need only worship the faculty of reason.

The forcing of Lucifer into the demon image has distorted the ability of the common person to understand what the Illuminati stand for.

Lucifer was originally 'the bringer of light'. Cool rational thought. God operates through the feeling function and shows through with compassion and forgiveness.

By bringing these two functions into a synthisis we become complete people.

With the blind worship of reason and the intellect as well as a belief in only the physical world the human race will be plunged into an abyss.

The Illuminati believe the dumb ignorent masses must be led by the nose by a group of masters, an Elite. A business, political and intellectual Elite.

They Manufacture Consent in the masses by fooling them with scams such as 9-11. They do not believe in the individual, only the group. For the group to survive the Planet must be managed like a slick company.

All things must be 'managed'. This includes the amount of people on the planet.

Because the people are stupid and ignorent they must be forced into this like children because they do not know whats good for them. "They who would poke out the peoples eyes then complain they cannot see".

For many who follow this philosophical bent, they are not even aware they are in fact Luciferians...Satan worshippers.

Many of them are decent people. However, they have lost faith in the Human Race and it's divine origens. Because of this they now turn to reason to save them. To Lucifer.

Lucifer is filled with pride and refuses to doubt and reflect. Satan today walks the Earth in a business suit. He trusts only his spread sheet. He is a Dialectical Materialist.

And how, O.C asks, does this relate to business wanting to destroy itself by becoming Communist?

You confuse the middle managers with the CEO's.

Money, economics are pointless abstractions...they print the money, they own everything.

The means and the end are POWER. Power over people and crushing dissent...which wants to limit your power.

Unless you know power and can think on their level you cannot understand them.

What does a man who prints the money do with himself? As Henry Makow stated in an article..."pack up the kids and go to Disneyland"?

He has 10 Plasma T.V's. He owns his own jet. He has sex with high class prostitutes at huge Coke parties and orgies.

He has no simple joys in the struggle of day to day life.

His last aphrodisiac...P-O-W-E-R.

Till this is understood you can never understand the Elite of the NWO and why they want a Statist Command and Control Economy, based on the faith of Dialectical Meterialism.
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Old 02-12-2005, 08:45 AM
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Well said, true.

I've commented earlier about the vilification of both Saddam and Milosevic but I thought to remind you, there are some interesting stuff there, with regards to the Show Trial in the Hague.
I'm not and never was a fan of Milosevic but I do admire his intelligence and presence of mind when standing up to those clowns in whigs masquerading as judge and jury.

The reason they stopped the daily TV broadcasts from the "trial" was because Milosevic, having a fraction of the time allowed as the prosecution had in "preparing" witnesses and no legal counsel - meaning he's defending himself, since he doesn't recognize the legitimacy of the Tribunal - STILL whoops their arses on a daily basis!
They even tried to poison him TWICE because he's too intelligent and well informed AND he's a professional lawyer.

Actually I wonder how he's doing lately...

Saddam & Milosevic Vilified By Western Media
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=588&forum=24&post_id=5534&P HPSESSID=a4b382fca80feb557a37343881dffb53#forumpos t5534
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Old 02-12-2005, 08:31 PM
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Draken: :-?
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First of all: are you a Communist? In that case I understand your defending it.
I have already stated various times in posts on this forum what iam and what i believe. I have been more than open about it considering the kind of people that might be cruising this forum!
If you still choose to doubt my sincerity that is your problem!.Really i Dont care what you think i am does it matter!

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Where? Where are these "rugged individualists"? All I see is a people stuck in slave labour, consumtion and hedonism, totally brainwashed. Isn't it a typically American attitude that one should always "score for the team"; "the team is more important than the player"; "the player is nothing without the team" etc. That's collectivism, if you ask me.
The individualism is everywhere in post modern capitalism. It is enterprised based and family based sure. However it is a form of individualism all the same. Perhaps families competing against one another might be closer to the mark because essentailly thats the way it seems to manifest itself in our laissez faire capitalist system. The actual single adult individual seems to count for nothing outside the family in our system.
The liberal definition of individualism is the independent contractor that owns is own enterprise or a Manager in a large enterprise and has a Nuclear family of one 1.2 offspring. That is the Liberal sense of individualism.

Draken you seem to thinking of individualism in the creative existentialist sense like Nietszche or Satre rather than the liberal capitalist defintion based on market Liberals like Hayek and Rand who ultimately obtained it from Adam smith!.There is a huge difference ofcause!.

Liberal individualism was soley created for the purpose of entrepeneurs and especially big business not for existentialist hippies artists etc.It is rationalist in nature not creative in the metaphysical sense!.

How can a team be collectivist. If your going to call a sports or work teams collectivist then you may as well call a family collectivist also following that logic which is ofcause absurd!.

The Marxist meaning of collectivist was institutional via the state arms of law enforcement!.It uses forced coercion in an attempt to force people to associate for a common good on a large scale. That is huge leap from speaking of sporting, work teams which are formed out of free choice of association and natural friendship on a micro scale. To say they are collectivist is absurd!.

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The only people who built anything in America are the Freemasons and other Satanists
Thats strange are you trying to now defend those whom in other posts you have vehemantly attacked. Are you for real Draken or is your religious stance simple sophistry designed for this forum!.You have me suspicious :roll:


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Liberalism is a Communist doctrine. It's in fact all the same! The thing they put on a piedestal is WORK - for the benefit of the Elite. It's a charade - call it what you want -capitalist/liberalist/communist - it's all the same. Secular, demonic, Satanist and ultimately Godless doctrines.
They are not at all the same it is acedemically and practically false to call communism liberalism and liberalism communism. Its like calling a swan a duck or a cat a dog.Two different ideals are like two different species of animals they are just not the same!.To call them the same is the act of the uneducated reactionary to lash out falsely at the wrong targets!.I would thought you were smarter than that Draken.
In this case i believe communism is simply a red herring to excuse the pun! It is not the present cause or drive of the NWO. For example i dont see large government controlled enterprises in Australia or the rest of the globe.However I do see several of the same multinationals everywhere over the globe in a very monopolistic fashion!.Many of these multinationals are also U.S based and headed.If it seems like communism then it is very possible as have stated in previous posts and threads that it is neo corporatism which is definately not communism.

Infact it has far more incommon with capitalism than communism because it favours the corps far more than than any other parties involved in its structure!.If you want a definition of corporatism here it is:http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=3054

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Well, you obviously didn't read the books.
I did read your links reasonably extensively. As for the book i simply dont agree with it enough in summary to bother purchasing it as well as the fact am already fully occupied with reading my own selections at the present time also posting on this forum! By the way you havent read my links i suspect.If you want respect from fellow posters you also have to give it you know!.

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Wouldn't he have that if he was against slaughtering 300 million Christians? Maybe it's because he was intimately familiar with the longterm strategy?
I dont condone anything about communism. Iam not marxist! The reason i dont like the this mc carthyite paranioa that many of you carry on with on this forum is that it takes attention off the real cause of the problems which are not one ideology more than another!. At the moment communism is simply not a serious threat!
I came into this forum initially thinking that many of you were beyond the left right ideological paradigm and had realised there was a third position out there.

It seems i have been mistaken many of you are simply caught in this left right political spectrum.And most of you seem to be unashamedly Right wingers!So please dont tell you have moved beyond this because it is clear you havent Draken!.You are clearly a market libertarian especially judging from the sites you get your information from!.

In my view that makes you part of the disease not part of the cure!.

As for gibe about my christian faith you should ofcause realise that there all shades of people calling themselves christians these days.
They can be any ideological position under the sun they do not have to be rightwing.Take the Quakers or the Methodists as good example they have many social justice based positions in their theology which could be described as leftwing by fundermentalist christians.
You spoke of the massacre of christians in the USSR what about the massacre of many christians in chile in the 1970s under General Pinchot a U.S Milton friedman assisted free trade fascist stooge!.Not to mention the total covert esponiage the CIA has been involved in globally which I have already given you links to above.But there is no one so blind as those that will not see as the saying goes! :roll: :-?
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Old 02-12-2005, 08:52 PM
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Trouble is OC, Capitalism has never existed.

Take Ralph Sarich and the Orbital Engine. Sarich is a true capitalist. He borrows money for an original idea and then tries to market it, and what happens?

He is prevented from marketing it by a socialist, command and control world economy.

If we had a Lazze Fair (spelling) capitalist economy his idea would have immediately been on the market.

Instead we have gigantic corporations who's sole purpose is to prevent competition and form cartels amongst themselves and divy up the world.

It has always been this way.

I recommend G.E. Griffen on this matter..."The Politics Of Cancer Therapy". He ranges far and wide into WW2, the rise of Hitler and the cartels and their agreements.

OC you'd like him. I'm sure the CEC push him as well.

You may not have seen me write that I like the CEC and LARouche but I have a few problems with political parties of any persuasion. Societies problems will not be solved through simple economic reforms.

We need a spiritual resurgence as well based on truth and justice and dare I say it love.

P.S OC seems the CEC is making inroads with all the talk of big infrastructure projects happening...water canal and all.
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In support of Draken, look at post # 12 on this thread again. thanx
:roll:Yeh thats right buddy have another budweiser like good trailer park tool. Just dont bother with dumb posts! :roll:
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Trouble is OC, Capitalism has never existed.
Try telling that to Donald Trump or Rupert Murdoch or Kerry Packer!. In fact tell that to the the next self employed tradesperson you see!.
Will they agree? I doubt it!.

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If we had a Lazze Fair (spelling) capitalist economy his idea would have immediately been on the market.
No your wrong mate it is definately spelt Laissez faire. I have an Oxford Dictonary in front of me to prove it! I think you are wrong!. :roll:

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Instead we have gigantic corporations who's sole purpose is to prevent competition and form cartels amongst themselves and divy up the world.
Yeh Its called Corporatism. I have already posted a link to it before but one more time the for dummy or those that choose to ignore stuff I suppose!. :-o :roll:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=3054 :-? :-o
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Old 02-13-2005, 03:11 AM
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OC ya have really got to chill.

I put (spelling) because I was'nt sure of it and I could'nt be bothered looking it up.

You can call it Corporatism if you want or Fascism. I prefer to call it Socialism for the rich and Capitalism for the poor which is where your self employed tradesmen come in.

Who is the current King of Facism? Adolph? And what did he call it? National Socialism.

The melding of the Corporation and the State is more properly called Socialism as it amounts to Elites sharing the world amongst themselves equally and fairly. Some before called it Fuedalism. I just prefer to call it the rich and powerful shafting the poor and weak as they've always done.

A true Capitalist is someone who produces something new and value adds to the economy. In the strictist sense of the word a self employed tradesman does not qualify.

He is simply maintaining the structure.

Hence my example of Ralph Sarich...a true value adding Capitalist.

For me, that is why Libertarian values work for me. It values the individual and the creative impulse. It is positive about human beings and believes in them.

Sometimes you live up to your Forum name to often.

I'm not the enemy. I merely disagree about the level of the debate. To often the forum is caught up in somantics. The rich and the powerful want to stay rich and powerful and they are using different systems and scams to manufacture consent in the people. The people must be led to where the Elite want them while making people think they wanted it all by themselves.

To be honest you should post less articles and try figuring things out for yourself. I dont often fall back on a dictionary. I'm more interested in the big picture.

You dont go back far enough and need to study the rise of the Illuminist movement and the banking and finance sector which funds both sides of the debate, sets them at each other, then provides the soloution that they wanted all along.

One World Socialist Government based on the value system of 'Secular Humanism' with it's origens in Marxist 'Dialectical Materialism'.

They are Rationalists, Luciferian and ultimately Satan worshippers for all the imagery that provokes. Certainly their aim will produce a hell on Earth. Just ask an 80 year old European.

As for Murdoch and Trump? Just how do they qualify as Capitalists? They produce NOTHING. They are lent money by the international financieres and simply buy up larger and larger shares of a given market. They are perveyers of mindless speculative activities. They are Marxists in Capitalist drag!

They are useless dead weights on the economy called Managers who are good at supporting existing structures but dont have the balls of the real Capitalist to venture into uncharted territory.

They'd like to think they're movers and shakers but they're just arrogent pricks with a spread sheet who do as their boss tells them.

They own and produce nothing. They are owned by Rothschild and his ilk.

Bill Gates is the same. He's never made a thing in his life! He bought out his friends idea with his rich,corporate lawyer, well connected Daddy's money and with the assistence of some very heavy background players forced IBM to accept his dog of an operating system. The rest is history...he produces nothing new...he steals and buys out.

You are mistaking these useless gutless pricks for Capitalists? Dont use their pathetic names in the same sentence.

They are nothing but lapdogs for the real owners of the planet.

I dont need the Socialism of the Left to tell me how to live amngst my fellow human beings.

They're 2000 years to late.

Though my tone may have turned a little acidic...i respect your intelligence and knowledge. I just think we have a mixed up vocabulary and are not communicating perhaps what we intend.
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true, OC is a disruptor thats been around since this site opened. He likes to create endless debates about isms and ists. I believe I'll be the third one to say this by now. :-P
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Perhaps I'm just being overly sensitive.

OC are you one of those loveable grumpy old guys?

And one more really silly question from out of left field...are you Jewish?
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