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Old 02-21-2005, 10:18 AM
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Default Sticks and stones - try a little logic and reason


Sticks and stones, sweetie.

Try a little logic and reason - it might aid your cause.

Boo!

P.S. Am pleased to see so many agree with your pet monkey theories. It was me who rated this thread as excellant. An excellant example of :lol:

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Old 02-21-2005, 06:20 PM
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Hitler has been pagan idolater KABBALIST- FIRST AND FOREMOST.

As a real pagan, Pharao and aryan he worshipped idols (“aryan race” for example) and He was idol (deity) himself (gnostic Demiurge ) for his followers.
Such combination and saturation of of magic and idolatry has not been witnessed from the times of pernicious Pharaos.

Hitler apparently hated Torah and Jews but he worsipped Kabbalistic Jewish idolaters’ occult and magic teaching and practice- that is Kabbala. We could say figuratively that Kabbalah and its secret magical practice (rather then theory) has created Hitler magical personality (“deity”) and nourished his satanic, idol-worshiping movement.

His main role should have been to establish the Jewish Kabbalist/masonic kingdom -that resembled Jewish Kabbalistic Khazaria of the seventh or eighth century (the first and the only pure Kabbalistic Kingdom).

(you might find interesting my posts
“Eurasia –contemporary Khazar Jews Kingdom”
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=473&forum=24&post_id=4393&P HPSESSID=dc0df029c53992e5af260aacc8c41c60#forumpos t4393
and “ Khezran Jews not Ancient Hebrews aryan supremacy and master –race casteism”
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=311&forum=23&post_id=2834#f orumpost2834).

I believe that Hitler HAS NOT BEEN AWARE OF THE FACT AND IRONY THAT he has been the Grand Mason of the New World Order, Jewish Kabbalistic Kingdom, British Israel or “Divine” (pagan) World Kingdom.

As I indicated in my post “Kabbala –the Bible of NWO and the source of New Age pagan religion” –
(http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=743&forum=24&post_id=6545#f orumpost6545)

from the ranks of the Jewish Kabbalists (actually pagan idolaters who call themselves Jews) have arisen some of the worst enemies of true faith and humanity that have ever lived as Jacob Frank (who inflamed blood libel against the Jews which brought slaughter upon them), Sabatai Zevi, creators of Stalin Gulags and particulary Kabbalistic Jewish theosophists such as Madame Helena Blavatsky and the theosophical circles of of Germany which eventually inspired the Nazi Party and created Hitler.

Hitler has been chosen by Kabbalists/Masonic illuminati to create pagan New World Order but he failed. Just like Napoleon,stalin or Lenin.

They plot ,but The Almighty God and his true believers and followers are wiser,stronger and superior to their plotting.
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Old 02-22-2005, 01:54 AM
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Default Hitler Was A Nice Guy...And Pagan.

I am a bit of a Hitler buff.

For real insights into Hitlers thinking read "Hitlers Table Talk" by respected historian Hugh Trever Roper.

A stenographer was present at evening meals and other meetings to record the banter. Absoloutly fascinating.

Hitler was indeed a Pagan but more specifically his talk was that of the 'Illuminist'.

He talks the Illuminati talk and walks the Illuminati walk though he had an absoloute fascination with European Royalty and was an ABSOLOUTE Anglophile. He L-O-V-E-D England and all she stood for.

He considered Christianity would "wither on the vine" after the war and society slipped into the National Socialist agenda.

Goebels was VERY busy chasing the chaplains from the German army and Hitler constantly wined about his Generals and their "moral/religious scruples".

Hitler was indeed a chamer and loved by all who new him personally...except those who disagreed with him.

For another fascinating insight get a hold of "Blindspot" an interview with Trudle Junge his secretery from late '42 onwards. Available on DVD. (I have it but have no web space to post it).

She describes him as gentle and quietly spoken. Charming. She states he NEVER talked like he did in his speeches.

Whatever.

Though the history of WW2 has yet to be written, lets not pretend he was nice. He was a servent of the omniscent State and a mass murderer.

I'm sure 'W' throws a great barbecue and is real friendly like.

Thats the point of the State and why it's so dangerous. It's far removed from it's actions and is capable of the most callous and cruel actions.

G'Day Poppinz!

For all the people who've responded to posts (agreeing or disagreeing) hav'nt had time to respond. If I start responding I'll stay at the keyboard all day!

Best to all...it seems things are hotting up. Stay on your toes. Whatever happens they'll fail.

Brendon...TB
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Old 02-22-2005, 06:30 AM
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G'Day mate!

Excellant info and insight into Hitler from all! Well, almost all... :lol:
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:18 PM
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this on rense today:
http://www.rense.com/general63/ride.htm

the article seems to bring up a lot of verified facts, none of them about Churchill too pleasant.

A riddle to figure out what the NWO was trying to do in WWII. They certainly extended WWI by 3 years to make profits.
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Old 03-04-2005, 04:41 AM
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<a href="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1404/hitlerengl.html">Hitler and the Secret Societies</a>

By Julius Evola (from Il Conciliatore, no. 10, 1971; translated from the German edition in Deutsche Stimme, no. 8, 1998)
It is remarkable that some authors in France have researched the relationship of German National Socialism to secret societies and initiatic organizations. The motivation for this was the supposed occult background of the Hitler movement. This thesis was first proposed in the well-known and very far-fetched book by Pauwels and Bergier, "Le Matin des Magiciens" (English ed., "The Dawn of Magic"), in which National Socialism was defined as the union of "magical thinking" with technology. The expression used for this was "Tank divisions plus René Guénon": a phrase that might well have caused that eminent representative of traditional thought and esoteric disciplines to turn indignantly in his grave.

The first misunderstanding here is the confusion of the magical element with the mythical, whereas the two have nothing to do with one another. The role of myths in National Socialism is undeniable, for example in the idea of the Reich, the charismatic Führer, Race, Blood, etc. But rather than calling these "myths," one should apply to them Sorel's concept of "motivating energy-ideas" (which is what all the suggestive ideas used by demagogues commonly are), and not attribute to them any magical ingredient. Similarly, no rational person thinks of magic in connection with the myths of Fascism, such as the myth of Rome or that of the Duce, any more than with those of the French Revolution or Communism. The investigation would proceed differently if one went on the assumption that certain movements, without knowing it, were subject to influences that were not merely human. But this is not the case with the French authors. They are not thinking of influences of that kind, but of a concrete nature, exercised by organizations that really existed, among which were some that to various degrees were "secret." Likewise, some have spoken of "unknown superiors" who are supposed to have called forth the National Socialist movement and to have used Hitler as a medium, though it is unclear what goals they could have had in mind in so doing. If one considers the results, the catastrophic consequences to which National Socialism led, even indirectly, those goals must have been obscure and destructive. One would have to identify the "occult side" of this movement with what Guénon called the "Counter-Initiation." But the French authors have also proposed the thesis that Hitler the "medium" emancipated himself at a certain point from the "unknown superiors," almost like a Golem, and that the movement then pursued its fatal direction. But in that case one must admit that these "unknown superiors" can have had no prescience and very limited power, to have been incapable of putting a stop to their supposed medium, Hitler.

A lot of fantasy has been woven on the concrete level about the origin of National Socialism's themes and symbols. Reference has been made to certain organizations as forerunners, but ones to which it is very difficult to attribute any genuine and factual initiatic character. There is no doubt that Hitler did not invent German racial doctrine, the symbol of the swastika, or Aryan antisemitism: all of these had long existed in Germany. A book entitled "Der Mann, der Hitler die Ideen gab" [The man who gave Hitler his ideas] reports on Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels (the title of nobility was self-bestowed), who had formerly been a Cistercian monk and had founded an Order that already used the swastika; Lanz edited the periodical "Ostara" from 1905 onwards, which Hitler certainly knew, in which the Aryan and antisemitic racial theories were already clearly worked out.

But much more important for the "occult background" of National Socialism is the role of the Thule Society. Things are more complex here. This society grew out of the Germanenorden, founded in 1912, and was led by Rudolf von Sebottendorf, who had been in the East and had published a strange booklet on "Die Praxis der alten türkischen Freimaurerei" [The practice of ancient Turkish Freemasonry]. Practices were described therein that involved the repetition of syllables, gestures, and steps, whose goal was the initiatic transformation of man, such as alchemy had also aimed at. It is unclear what Turkish masonic organization Sebottendorf was in contact with, and also whether he himself practiced the things in question, or merely described them.

Moreover, it cannot be established whether these practices were employed in the Thule Society that Sebottendorf headed. It would be very important to know that, because many top-ranking National Socialist personalities, from Hitler to Rudolf Hess, frequented this society. In a way, Hitler was already introduced to the world of ideas of the Thule Society by Hess during their imprisonment together after the failed Munich Putsch.

At all events, it must be emphasized that the Thule Society was less an initiatic organization than it was a secret society, which already bore the swastika and was marked by a decided antisemitism and by Germanic racial thinking. One should be cautious about the thesis that the name Thule is a serious and conscious reference to a Nordic, Polar connection, in the effort to make a connection with the Hyperborean origins of the Indo-Germans--since Thule appears in ancient tradition as the sacred center or sacred island in the uttermost North. Thule may just be a play on the name "Thale," a location in the Harz where the Germanenorden held a conference in 1914, at which it was decided to create a secret "völkisch" band to combat the supposed Jewish International. Above all, these ideas were emphasized by Sebottendorf in his book "Bevor Hitler kam" [Before Hitler came], published in Munich in 1933, in which he indicated the myths and the "völkisch" world-view that existed before Hitler.

Thus a serious investigation into Hitler's initiatic connections with secret societies does not lead far. A few explanations are necessary in regard to Hitler as a "medium" and his attractive power. It seems to us pure fantasy that he owed this power to initiatic practices. Otherwise one would have to assume the same about the psychic power of other leaders, like Mussolini and Napoleon, which is absurd. It is much better to go on the assumption that there is a psychic vortex that arises from mass movements, and that this concentrates on the man in the center and lends him a certain radiation that is felt especially by suggestible people.

The quality of medium (which, to put it bluntly, is the antithesis of an initiatic qualification) can be attributed to Hitler with a few reservations, because in a certain respect he did appear as one possessed (which differentiates him from Mussolini, for example). When he whipped up the masses to fanaticism, one had the impression that another force was directing him as a medium, even though he was a man of a very extraordinary kind, and extremely gifted. Anyone who has heard Hitler's addresses to the enraptured masses can have no other impression. Since we have already expressed our reservations about the assumption that "unknown superiors" were involved, it is not easy to define the nature of this supra-personal force. In respect to National Socialist theosophy [Gotteserkenntnis], i.e. to its supposed mystical and metaphysical dimension, one must realize the unique juxtaposition in this movement and in the Third Reich of mythical, Enlightenment, and even scientific aspects. In Hitler, one can find many symptoms of a typically "modern" world-view that was fundamentally profane, naturalistic, and materialistic; while on the other hand he believed in Providence, whose tool he believed himself to be, especially in regard to the destiny of the German nation. (For example, he saw a sign of Providence in his survival of the assassination attempt in his East-Prussian headquarters.) Alfred Rosenberg, the ideologist of the movement, proclaimed the myth of Blood, in which he spoke of the "mystery" of Nordic blood and attributed to it a sacramental value; yet he simultaneously attacked all the rites and sacraments of Catholicism as delusions, just like a man of the Enlightenment. He railed against the "Dark men of our time," while attributing to Aryan man the merit of having created modern science. National Socialism's concern with runes, the ancient Nordic-Germanic letter-signs, must be regarded as purely symbolic, rather like the Fascist use of certain Roman symbols, and without any esoteric significance. The program of National Socialism to create a higher man has something of "biological mysticism" about it, but this again was a scientific project. At best, it might have been a question of the "superman" in Nietzsche's sense, but never of a higher man in the initiatic sense.

The plan to "create a new racial, religious, and military Order of initiates, assembled around a divinized Führer," cannot be regarded as the official policy of National Socialism, as René Alleau writes, when he presents such a relationship and even compares it, among others, to the Ishmaelites of Islam. A few elements of a higher level were visible only in the ranks of the SS.

In the first place, one can see clearly the intention of Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler to create an Order in which elements of Prussian ethics were to be combined with those of the old Orders of knighthood, especially the Teutonic Order. He was looking for legitimation of such an organization, but could not obtain it, since these old Orders of Catholicism were openly opposed by the radical wing of National Socialism. Himmler was also seeking, without the possibility of any traditional connection, a relationship to the Nordic-Hyperborean heritage and its symbolism (Thule), albeit without those "secret societies" discussed above having any influence over it. He took notice, as did Rosenberg, of the researches of the Netherlander Herman Wirth into the Nordic-Atlantic tradition. Later Himmler founded, with Wirth, the research and teaching organization called the "Ahnenerbe." This is not without interest, but there was no "occult background" to it.

So the net result is negative. The French authors' fantasy reaches its high point in the book "Hitler et la tradition cathare" by Jean-Michel Angebert (Paris, 1971). This deals with the Cathars, also called Albigensians, who were a heretical sect that spread especially in Southern France between the 11th and 12th centuries, and had their center in the fortress of Montségur. According to Otto Rahn, this was destroyed in a "crusade against the Grail," which is the title of one of his books. Whatever the Grail and its Grail-Knights had to do with this sect remains completely in the dark. The sect was marked by a kind of fanatical Manicheism: sometimes its own believers would die of hunger or some other cause as a demonstration of their detachment from the world and their hostility to earthly existence in flesh and matter. Now it is assumed that Rahn, with whom we corresponded during his lifetime and tried to persuade of the baselessness of his thesis, was an SS man, and that an expedition was sent on its way to retrieve the legendary Grail which was supposedly brought to safety at the moment when the Cathars' fortress in Montségur was destroyed. After the fall of Berlin, a unit is said to have reached the Zillertal and hidden this object at the foot of a glacier, to await a new age.

The truth is that there was talk of a commando unit, which however had a less mystical commission, namely the rescue and concealment of the Reich's treasures. Two further examples show what such fantasies can lead to when they are given free rein. The SS (which included not only battle units but also researchers and scholarly experts) mounted an expedition to Tibet in order to make discoveries in the fields of alpinism and ethnology, and another one to the Arctic, ostensibly for scientific research but also with a view to the possible situation of a German military base. According to these fantastic interpretations, the first expedition was seeking a link to a secret center of the Tradition, while the other was seeking contact with the lost Hyperborean Thule...
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Short of everything written being a lie, one of the themes present throught is Hitlers Illuminist thinking.

He considered his religion like that of the Grail Legend and the tale of Parsifal's search for it. That he was in no need of a God and he himself created his own destiny.

I gather in some quotes he was well aware of the work of Carl Jung.

I believe Hitler may of had a 'transcendent' experience during WW1 or perhaps before.

This set him apart in his own eyes.

He was known as 'the white crow' by his comrades during WW1. Often fearless and certainly brave. It was said that his entire company was practically wiped out during an attack with Hitler not recieving a scratch.

He believed in divine providence here and there, that he was special.

He was well read on Plato and loved his work 'The Republic', especially the idea of a special caste of man...'The Philosopher Kings', the intellectual, business and political Elite.

It is verified (as far as that goes) that over 30 specific attacks on Hitlers life took place between 1939 and 1945. He escaped every one.

His cap was made of Tungsten and weighed a ton. Hitler felt he could be removed at any moment and feared assassination greatly. He took extreme precautions.

Obviously, not all of Deutschland was in love with the Fuhrer. Especially the Prussian Masonic Officer Class.

Himmler was certainly more of an occultist.

Hitler prefered his architecture.

It may be 50-100 years before the truth of the greatest slaughter in history comes to light.

P.S Hitler also had a drug habit. Sparodic use of 'Pervitin' (benzedrine) tablets at first but as the war went on and things got bad he was a heavy user of I.V Methamphetamine which was invented by German chemists in 1933.

He also took Cocain eyedrops.

Hitlers eyes certainly 'shone' as would your off your tit's on Meth.
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I seem to have read that he was totally controlled through drugs by a small army of "doctors" who seem to have been of the Kabbalist type...

Isn't it funny how behind every great mass murderer/world politician there seem to be a shady "doctor" or two to supply him with the necessary "treatment" for whatever "condition" said mass murdererworld politician seems to suffer?

From Napoleon to the last Russian tzar, Stalin, Hitler, JFK, that guy after Churchill...<a href="http://amphetamines.com/anthony-eden.html">Anthony Eden...</a>
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Yeh...how come they get all the good drugs!
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Thats a good little site.

I remember reading about Hitler back in 1990 and saying to myself..."this guy is on Meth"!

It really was'nt written about that much.

Nothing like good old drugs including Prozac to keep the doubt and fear of God from the door.

I'm boring...i just use coffee.
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