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Old 03-07-2005, 08:11 AM
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Peace all,

My point was that it's a fatal mistake to "demonize" Satan. We blame all our misfortunes on him (aka. NWO), when its we who accept his invitations day and night!, actually we make a huge beast of them (him) when they are just a big balloon about to burst.

Alex Jones for example fills the world with screaming and kicking, i wonder why? this is not the right response in face of evil.

Defeat begins when we attribute powers to our enemies, which allows fear to paralyze us. Here on this forum i can feel the subtle fear, the screams and cries of horror, but why? only because we buy the vicious idea that "they" (he) have power.

Only God has power.

The major part of this "NWO" propaganda (excluding the sincere balanced views) is aimed at instilling fear in us.

Don't worry about the conspiracy, nor about the NWO, the batllefield is in your mind/heart, every minute you are answering the question, God or Satan.

Anything that ditsracts you from God (absolute values) is Satan trying to win you over to his side.

Click on a pornography link and you are with the NWO. Smoke a cigarette, drink a beer, lose your consiousness..."the government is spying on me, i better stop visiting this website!" now you will stop because of a bunch of powerless mere mortals!, what about God who is watching your inside? who knows your inner most thoughts, shouldn't you reverence Him? or the NWO?

Give them your time and money by watching their life styles and movies!, don't question your boss, he is your god!, don't give for charity, the NPO's are NWO!, don't eat, the food is poisoned!, burn your money, for it's worthless!

And then what is left? they are stripping us of the last candle of hope, belief in an Almighty God who controls them, their money, their thoughts, and everything.

Are we that stupid to buy this handicapping propaganda? Isn't it better to look for God's messages behind the global events? or to never cross the veil of "the NWO behind everything" ?

God doesn't burden any soul beyond its means, there are two kingdoms on earth functioning now in parallel, both are controlled by God. The kingdom of Satan, with all its chaos, misery and fear, and the kingdom of God, peace, mercy and perfect happiness.

You can switch from one kingdom to another in a split second, how? only by submitting to your Creator alone and asking Him for forgivness from the bottom of your heart, by abandoning all the human-made idols (Jesus, Muhammad, saints, professional religionsists, celebrities), by living deliberately, by controlling your sinful lusts, by standing for your rights, by having no fear except from God, by being really free.

A simple solution, yet the most difficult for the majority!

[27:19] .....Admit me by Your mercy into the company of Your righteous servants."

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Old 03-07-2005, 09:01 AM
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Defeat begins when we attribute powers to our enemies, which allows fear to paralyze us. Here on this forum i can feel the subtle fear, the screams and cries of horror, but why? only because we buy the vicious idea that "they" (he) have power.

Only God has power.

The major part of this "NWO" propaganda (excluding the sincere balanced views) is aimed at instilling fear in us.

Don't worry about the conspiracy, nor about the NWO, the batllefield is in your mind/heart, every minute you are answering the question, God or Satan.

Anything that ditsracts you from God (absolute values) is Satan trying to win you over to his side.

Click on a pornography link and you are with the NWO. Smoke a cigarette, drink a beer, lose your consiousness..."the government is spying on me, i better stop visiting this website!" now you will stop because of a bunch of powerless mere mortals!, what about God who is watching your inside? who knows your inner most thoughts, shouldn't you reverence Him? or the NWO?

Give them your time and money by watching their life styles and movies!, don't question your boss, he is your god!, don't give for charity, the NPO's are NWO!, don't eat, the food is poisoned!, burn your money, for it's worthless!

And then what is left? they are stripping us of the last candle of hope, belief in an Almighty God who controls them, their money, their thoughts, and everything.

Are we that stupid to buy this handicapping propaganda? Isn't it better to look for God's messages behind the global events? or to never cross the veil of "the NWO behind everything" ?

God doesn't burden any soul beyond its means, there are two kingdoms on earth functioning now in parallel, both are controlled by God. The kingdom of Satan, with all its chaos, misery and fear, and the kingdom of God, peace, mercy and perfect happiness.

You can switch from one kingdom to another in a split second, how? only by submitting to your Creator alone and asking Him for forgivness from the bottom of your heart, by abandoning all the human-made idols (Jesus, Muhammad, saints, professional religionsists, celebrities), by living deliberately, by controlling your sinful lusts, by standing for your rights, by having no fear except from God, by being really free.

A simple solution, yet the most difficult for the majority!

[27:19] .....Admit me by Your mercy into the company of Your righteous servants."
Ahmad, I have to say this thread and every word you've written in it is the best I've read from you! You are inspiring me and I suppose all of us (almost!;-)) to really try even harder than we already are to live a righteous life and resist all things NWO and Satanic. Sometimes it's difficult to tell which is by God and which is by Satan.

I suppose in a way I've been trying to say the same things as you so eloquently put forward here, but I've been debating more with, and I have to say, against myself, trying to reason with myself to come to the conclusion what to do - physically DO! - to be on that Right Path. It's both incredibly difficult and simple at the same time. I need to sort it out in my head and, I guess, heart. You seem to have done that and I'm glad for you! I hope to join you...as soon as I'm sorted out. ;-)

God Bless You!

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Old 03-08-2005, 03:06 AM
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Still enjoy my Alex Jones.

It's a personal thing. Depending on where we are in life.

I had my first day back at full time work today. By being out and about and pretty calm about it all I actually spoke on some very interesting subjects with people.

Alex will mature in his presentation as he grows older. I think he's only in his late 20's.

I agree in principal Ahmed.
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Old 03-08-2005, 06:34 AM
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Hi Ahmad, this is a response to your original post. I certainly share the essence of what you are saying, but I believe that Satan has real power on Earth through his influence on our minds.

Let me explain my view.

Those with knowledge have power over the ignorant: that is real power by deception. The only way to nullify this power is to reveal the truth to the ignorant. However, to change the attitude of the masses is a mighty task. To get someone to change their attitudes, first you have to give them some information that is within their latitude of acceptance. Considering that New-world-order theories (or should we call them facts?), are often refuted as paranoid delusions, it is clear that the topic is way beyond the general latitude of acceptance.

If, by some miracle, a benevolent, God fearing, pro-theorist, gained control of the Western media and began a campaign aimed at revealing the truth, it would have to be done incrementally, and over a long period of time. You could think of it a progressing back to the truth.

The problem is, I doubt whether this will happen anytime soon.

How do they get away with it? Simple, we live in a realm of deception. It is possible to deceive people on this Earth and in this universe. You can lie, cheat, steal, and conceal all kinds of things from other people. This is where Satanís power is found: through his ability to deceive you with his rebellious spirit. Everyone is open to deception because of the very nature of our environment.

However, once you know and believe the true knowledge, that is Godís knowledge, you can see through the deceptions of the things that ultimately matter. Whether Israel is going to bomb Iran, or the USA landed on the Moon, is ultimately irrelevant.

Satan does indeed have a very real power over people. He uses people through deception to carry out his rebellious whims. But if you really believe that God exists, you will tap into a much greater power than Satanís deception. Godís power is mightier than Satanís, but Satan gets much more prime time media coverage on Earth.

What do you think Ahmad? (the invitation is open to everyone though)
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Old 03-08-2005, 07:11 AM
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Peace,

God says:

[36:60] Did I not covenant with you, O Children of Adam, that you shall not worship the devil? That he is your most ardent enemy?

Satan was appointed as a temporary god on earth (a minisicule dominion) to demonstrate his claim that the creatures have powers that are "independent" of God.

The only power he is granted is the power of inviting:

[14:22] And the devil will say, after the judgment had been issued, "GOD has promised you the truthful promise, and I promised you, but I broke my promise. I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves. My complaining cannot help you, nor can your complaining help me. I have disbelieved in your idolizing me. The transgressors have incurred a painful retribution."

He controls only those who readily accept his invitations (to the extremes of obsessions, addictions, unjustified hates and fear of something or someone) as per the deal with God. God gave him a respite till the judgment day in order to test and distinguish the righteous from the strayers:

[15:42] "You have no power over My servants. You only have power over the strayers who follow you.

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As for the righteous, they have no doubt that Satan's power is nill because they can see through the illusion:

[4:76] Those who believe are fighting for the cause of GOD, while those who disbelieve are fighting for the cause of tyranny. Therefore, you shall fight the devil's allies; the devil's power is nil.
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Old 03-08-2005, 07:37 AM
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Thanks! I take you up on that! ;-)

I think we decieve ourselves thinking that "Satan" is a force outside of ourselves, like we decieve ourselves God is someone or something outside of ourselves.
I think Man has within the capability to follow God or Satan, that is follow your Self or follow your Ego. God=Self and Satan=Ego, the way I see it.

Ultimately Evil (that is "Satan") manifests itself in the actions of Man. If Man decides to follow his Ego, the consequence is he will act to get ahead, to empower himself in relation to his fellow Man.

If, on the other hand, Man decides to follow "God", that is, if he decides to realize his Self - his TRUE Self - he will see that Good (that is "God") manifests itself in the actions of Man, like Evil.

Man is the quintessence of God's creation. We exist between Earth and Heaven. We are the manifestation of the marriage between Heaven and Earth. We are made in God's image, and therefore are half human, half devine. The meaning of our life is to purify our Souls by living; making mistakes, learning from them, dealing with adversity, loss, misery.
God gave Man Free Will to choose to either go the Path of God or the Path of the Ego. We all have felt the tug of our desires, the tug of temptation, the tug of our instincts and impulses. Those feelings are what make us human. But we also have felt compassion, generosity, bravery, strength (SPIRITUAL strength that is), humility, empathy. Those are feelings that need to be cultivated and encouraged because they are the feelings that make us divine. They constitute the "God's image" part of our beings.

Ultimately, I believe our Soul wants to reunite with God because our Soul is the divine part of our being.

I suppose my view then, is that this force we call "Satan" is really the force of our Ego, and more people than ever live today to satisfy their Egos. They focus their whole being on material things and sensual pleasures. They believe the lie to "be open for everything", "you only live once, you might as well enjoy it", relax and treat yourself etc. They don't realize they're stuck in a demonic circle; they are being led by their noses by the Jinn, as Ahmad would say.

Because of the sheer amount of people living this material, sensual life, the world looks the way it does. I'm sure if people focussed their minds, hearts and brains on metaphysical realities - as in Realities BEYOND the physical, and realized the Spiritual Realities, or if they simply realized they're asleep, running around in circles and actually wanted and in fact DID wake themselves up, the world would look VERY different.

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Quran [14:22]: I had no power over you; I simply invited you, and you accepted my invitation. Therefore, do not blame me, and blame only yourselves.
This illustrates exatly my point!
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Old 03-08-2005, 08:10 AM
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Peace Draken,

Satan (the Jinns) rebelled, God then created Adam (the Humans) to expose him.

God ordered all the angels to prostrate (serve) Adam from then on, they all accepted except Satan, he said "I am better than he".

In every human body, there is a human soul (that has a part of God's soul blown into it) as well as a Jinn soul. The voice you were debating with is not yours! it's a totally separate entity.

The ego is the weak part of our soul (the self) that had doubts about Satan's claim, and decided to follow him to earth to see the validity of his claim.

The claim is simply that "things and people can harm or benefit on their own" for example, if one seeks money thinking that it will bring him happiness (on its own) he is actually being controlled by his Jinn-companion.

When people drink or abuse drugs, the Jinn automatically takes over, the dominant thoughts while intoxicated are from that separate invisible entity.

The Jinn-culture is about two things, obsession with things and people because of attributing their powers (skill, beauty, functionality...etc) to them instead of God, ofcourse the other side of the coin is unjustified hates and fears. Why? because they chose to disregard God, thus they can not feel the absolute values (Justice, Beauty,...etc) which comes directly from God.

The second thing about the Jinn is their arrogance, you can notice it in their exagerated way of talking and walking (specially the leaders), they target the different (in gender, color, belief..etc) to feel better, Satan was the first to develope this complex "I am better than he".

This results in a category of human beings (actually Jinn-controlled humans) who seek leadership in order to enslave the others and feel better. For when the Jinn-companion takes over and successfully enslaves his human-companion 99% he turns to enslave others as well.

All that lead to the overwhelming plague of oppression allover the earth today, whether between countries (wars, tyranny, inequality) or individuals (bullying, racism, intolerance..etc).

If you keep thinking that the evil thoughts are initiated by you, there is no way out.

Find your true self, listen to your inspiration, and confront the truth with all the might you can muster, for it's our last chance.

To Be Protected From Satan

[23:97] Say, "My Lord, I seek refuge in You from the whispers of the devils.

[23:98] "And I seek refuge in You, my Lord, lest they come near me."
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Old 03-12-2005, 08:47 AM
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I think the distinction here is that to a disbeliever, the power of Satanís influence is extremely persuasive, but to a submitter, it is nil. Belief in the power of God renders all other power inert.

I must admit though that God has power over Satan because his power is Godís creation: God can take it as easily as He gives it. Ultimately all power is Godís. I believe Ahmad is right when he says this.
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