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Old 12-01-2004, 08:20 AM
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No country, no nation, (no family, no God)

Socialized pension, socialized child-rearing (if you may call it that), socialized health (disease, really) care, socialist programs of every kind, ovegrown busy-body bureaucracy regulating every aspects and moments of everyone's life, 50% taxation, no freedom, no independence, no self-sufficiency.

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Health-care, which only cares about your disease, spend $400,000 (of someone else's money) on a dying man; but cares nothing about clean drinking water, in fact, promotes putting rat-poison in it, never says anything about artificial colours, artificial flavours, hormones, and all other un-natural additives in our food. [Last Sunday in Toronto there was a demonstration in front of the hospitals (there are a bunch of them together) and the parliament building (which is next to them) demanding more money. Not one sign demanded less additives or lower population density in this city. Obviously the aim is the maintenance of a (and many) problem, not its solution.]

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Old 12-01-2004, 09:22 PM
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Right on .. 789.. That's the problem.. spending 400K of public money to keep some dead dog alive.. Why don't we want to accept death as a natural part of the human life cycle.. Instead.. The state forces taxpayers to pay "doctors" to keep fossiles alive.. and I am 60 years old... Let us die of old age and in dignity without forcing our children or the taxpayers to keep us as vegetables in a acoma ward, and keep us alive with artificial hearts and lungs.. Hell.. Just let us die in peace with our loved ones around us.
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Old 12-02-2004, 03:28 AM
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I'm thinking that Trilateralism (as per Orwell's 1984, and more recently, David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission), is (perhaps) the "End Goal" of the NWO:

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Old 12-08-2004, 06:25 PM
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Socialized pension, socialized child-rearing (if you may call it that), socialized health (disease, really) care, socialist programs of every kind, ovegrown busy-body bureaucracy regulating every aspects and moments of everyone's life, 50% taxation, no freedom, no independence, no self-sufficiency.
And just what is wrong with these socialist programs as you call them?.
Their weaker members of society that need those kind of services to survive because they are either to old to work incapitated or redundant due to skills or eduation shortage.
Your Response seems callous and selfish.
In my view these kind of individualistic views only play into the hands of the illuminati not the the other way round.

If you wish to make this some kind of left right ideological debate then i would point out that Hitler was nothing but Illuminati stooge as much as Stalin or anyone else in on the Left in world history!.GWB is nothing but an economic libertarian to a degree and look how much he plays into the NWO agenda!.

Further why is that you feel you are self sufficient!.
No one is self sufficent so dont delude yourself, self employed business people are interacting with the NWO more than others.
After all what is the NWO but an Economic system it is cetainly not a common society for anyone (except for media and corporate monopoly) as such because we all live pluralist individualist lives to some extent!.
Its cultural values may seem liberal to left wing I agree however, the Economic libertarians and Free traders of this world have no problem with those values either, do they?

Your Self interest reminds me of some kind of Economic libertarian but your views will only lead you right to the heart of the NWO!.

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Old 12-08-2004, 09:00 PM
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>>And just what is wrong with these socialist programs as you call them?.

They are theft. The cancer is not some special kind of cell. It is just one that adopted the life-style of the parasite. It received the wrong information. In stead of learning to be productive, to provide for itself, etc., it learned that all it has to do is eat and grow, eat and grow, (even invented the philosophy of entitlement to the products of other people's work) untill it kills the normal cells around it, and the body dies.
The parasite always kills the host !

If you are a socialist, what is your objection to the marxist world republic ? Not enough welfare ? You dreamed of different kind of marxism, and now you are disappointed ?

The same people who brought to you all these socialist programs are bringing you the new world order, which is a political entity.

Socialism = a system in which society (by state force) takes care of responsiblities which are the duties of the individual. Such as feeding yourself, your wife, your children;
clothing yourself and your children, wife;
housing yourself, your wife and your children;
raising your children, paying for their education;
taking care of your health and paying for it;
taking care of your elderly parents;
etc.

Responsibilities of society
widows, orphans, fatherless

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Old 12-09-2004, 05:44 AM
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They are theft. The cancer is not some special kind of cell. It is just one that adopted the life-style of the parasite. It received the wrong information. In stead of learning to be productive, to provide for itself, etc., it learned that all it has to do is eat and grow, eat and grow, (even invented the philosophy of entitlement to the products of other people's work) untill it kills the normal cells around it, and the body dies.
Frankly your Attitude disgusts me!
You label those weaker than yourself e.g like the elderly and those that cant find a job as parasites and equal with animals.
You and your mate sablefish also advocate genocide or compulsary euthanasia to solve the welfare problem.The kind ideas Mengel Himmler and Hitler would have been proud of. I suppose next post you will be you advocating eugenics for the master race!:-x

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If you are a socialist, what is your objection to the marxist world republic ? Not enough welfare ? You dreamed of different kind of marxism, and now you are disappointed ?
Your over simplification of anyone that opposes you astounds me!.You obviously have no idea about ideology otherwise you would realise there are several forms of socialism of which Marxism is just one.

To label anyone that disagrees with your Redneck peabrain views a Marxist is absurd!
That means you may possibly be at odds with Henry Makow himself because he has claimed to agree with Lyndon Larouche a type of socialist because he advocates a Mixed capitalist economy!.

I know because i have had much to do with the La rouche movement here in Australia and happen to know exactly what their policies are!.
Further your completely deluded and reactionary in claiming there is some kind of Marxist world state in planning.
There maybe a world state in the future but there is no way by following facts and evidence of recent decades that the type of Economic system will be anything close to socialism.
What is emerging in the world today will be anything but Leftwing. On the contrary it is more likely to be Economic libertarian type technocracy and therefore Rightwing by definition.

So far as I am concerned the u.s administration already does the one world state administration function perfectly especially with their imperialist wars all over the Globe for the sake of their already bloated economy!.
Even without the U.N they behave in this manner. U.N or no U.N the U.S has always been pushing for world government!Wakeup and get your deluded facts straight!

Perhaps it is you that is in the wrong forum.
I think Stormfront whitepride worldwide would be more to your liking and limited intellect!
Here i will do you a favour and link it for you!
http://www.stormfront.org/

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Socialism = a system in which society (by state force) takes care of responsiblities which are the duties of the individual. Such as feeding yourself, your wife, your children;
As for this i agree but everyone has to have the oppertunity to participate in it not a minority.
At the present time not one western nation (third world things are even worse) has close to full employment.
Neither does business big or samll seem to be encouraging the conditions for full employment after they are interested in mortgages and Interest Rates and Inflation so why would they have more people employed than absolutely necessary.
The truth is they dont want full employment or secure employment.Although stats agencies both private and public are good at fudging unemployment figures to pretend they are creating more jobs Australia is good example!.Once again you are deluded wake and get your facts straight then debate me!

One thing is for sure you are not on my side over anything! It just goes to show one how wrong they can be about a forum and thinking that views about the NWO are anyhting close to their own!.
I think you are part of the diease and not part of the solution to my mind you are trolling here for troublemaking!.

btw: You have yet to answer the question in my initial post as to why you believe you are self sufficient of which you are plain deluded:-x
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Old 12-09-2004, 11:46 AM
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Ozziecynic.. I don't advocate genocide or compulsary euthanasia.. You are using a very broad brush.
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Old 12-09-2004, 05:47 PM
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>>You obviously have no idea about ideology otherwise you would realise there are several forms of socialism of which Marxism is just one.

Wrong again, honey, wrong again.
Socialism is part of marxism, not the other way around. (You need to refresh yourself on your "Das Kapital") Like it or not, marxism with its socialism, materialism and internationalism (no God, no nation, no individual) is the philosophy of the parasite.


>>Frankly your Attitude disgusts me !
What is digusting is when you reach into somebody else's pocket to pay for your wants and need and desires; taking away their earnings from those who produced useful goods and services, and giving it to those who did nothing for it, but held out their hands. And, to add insult to injury, come up with this idea of entitlement.


>>Perhaps it is you that is in the wrong forum.
Because I am opposed to the fullfilment of the marxist dream (and all for which it stands), I should be off an anti-NWO forum ? How liberal of you; don't like the message so chase away the messanger. And, I never said you shouldn't be here, I just expressed my surprise that being a socialist (therefore proponent of NWO which brought you socialism) you object to the realization of this pillar of marxism.
Your world government horse came in and now you don't like it. Perhaps, you should have bet on a republican or nationalist or monarchist horse.


>>btw: You have yet to answer the question in my initial post
Had you read my initial post you would have noticed that I said nothing of myself.
Self-sufficiency is when one lives and prospers by the work of his own hands, not by somebody else's hand; and is allowed to keep his earnings in stead of half of it being confiscated by the enemies of the poor and the working class, and given to freeloaders.


>>Your over simplification
Typical marxist remark. It is not simplification (it is distillation, if anything), I just call things as they are; a spade a spade.

So far you have shown yourself the friend of the nwo and its workings, so enlighten us, what is _your_ objection to the final stage of societal evolution ? Because in spite of your not wanting to recognize it, that is what is happening, and not spontaneously, but by design.

As for Mr. LaRouche. What is his problem with the world republic ? that he is not in on it ? He idolizes Roosevelt, the war-monger, proponent and implementor of big (brother) government, over-regulaton, large bureaucracy, etc. The United States of Europe has all that, and the United States of (all) America will have that.


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As you should know, leftwing and rightwing are the two sides of the same coin. Opponents of the NWO would like a different coin. Your lack of knowledge doesn't make me, or anyone else, anything.
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Wrong again, honey, wrong again.
No I dont believe I am

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Socialism is part of marxism, not the other way around. (You need to refresh yourself on your "Das Kapital") Like it or not, marxism with its socialism, materialism.
For the second time although I dont know if I should bother repeating myself.
Government intervention in capitalism does not automatically equal Marxist Socialism!.
You are making a huge uneducated leap by claiming all government intervention equals marxism.However you are so naive that I am sure nothing i state here will make you understand my point so enough said!.

Like it or not all western civilisation and ideologies is based on materialism not just Marxism!.
Marxism like liberalism and all other ISMS had their birth in the Enlightenment they are all a product of enlightenment philosophy which is based and rationality and therefore science progress and materialism.

Now i dont know if you know what I am talking about but I am sure others here will with greater comprehension than you will!.

However in short it means Liberalism conservatism and every other ISM are equally based on materialism not just marxism.
That is why we have the term Political Science for the discipline of studying politics because politics and the study of it, whether you know it or not is a science like any other science therefore it follows that it is a form of materialism!.Becasue materialism is based on science!.
In practice modern politics requires very little idealism it is simply the management of people and resources.Politics is pragmatic, the real driver of power is finance even you should know this!.

This should really be obvious.But for someone as brainwashed and limited in understanding as you iam sure it is no easy task in comprehension.

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internationalism (no God, no nation, no individual) is the philosophy of the parasite.
As for internationalism we already have it.
It is also called Globalisation. Globalistion equals Free trade and free movement of people so we already have it what is your belated point.
The fact is Globalisation was brought about by economic liberals not socialists you are wrong again!.


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What is digusting is when you reach into somebody else's pocket to pay for your wants and need and desires; taking away their earnings from those who produced useful goods and services, and giving it to those who did nothing for it, but held out their hands. And, to add insult to injury, come up with this idea of entitlement.
Let me put it this way if you were to lose you your job and assets someday soon I am sure you would one of the first to claim welfare payments.
I know in Australia many small business are usually the first to apply for government assistance once there business goes bust!

They are also the first to whinge about financial institions lending practices and big business having monopoly in markets. Yet expect to play the role of the small time capitalist not realising that the Financial institions and corporations simply have the same attitudes as the small business themselves of survival of the fittest on a larger scale the irony and stupidity of the small trader whinging should be obvious.
Making them as group one of the most hypocritical segements of society when they start bagging out those poorer than themselves!.

You may consider those poorer than you parasites but dont forget there are always bigger predators that consider you a parasite!
It is vicious circle modern capitalism and the ill will never ends, so although you obviously believe you are one of the little people, in others eyes it is obvious that you are one of the oppressors and part of problem in the eyes of those lower on the chain.

In the dung heap of hiearchy everyone always ends up beng someones elses masochist target of humiliation it is part of the Human condition that you enjoy perpetuting and not solving because of your bloated pride!.

Therefore I have nothing more to say because i consider you part of the problem you are here simply to push your self centred pride!
You are marching to the drum of Illuminati masters you have qualities of hatred pride and selfishness that they expect!. :-o
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Old 12-10-2004, 05:47 PM
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>>Therefore I have nothing more to say
Of couse not. You couldn't enforce your argument so you name called and now don't want to talk any more. Since you haven't got a leg to stand on, you could only lose, so no biggie.


Believe it or not, you are wrong nonetheless.
Socialism is a pillar of marxism. The marxist dream of socialist world government is being fulfilled before our eyes. And my belated point is that these parasites brought us globalism and all that comes with it.


You whole heartedly embrace the concept of re-distribution of wealth, as according to Marx, from the producers according to their means to the non-producer according to their needs (paying government bureaucrats handsomely in the process). Yet you claim that you are not marxist. Impressive. And I am not bald, I just have a long forehead.

You fully accept globalism and the destruction of nations and the enslavement of the people on a global plantation, but would like to claim that you are opposed to the nwo.


You endorse enlightenment philosophy -- invented by slightly satanist and largely anti-God individuals -- but think it is I who marches to the drumbeats of illuminated masters.

Where did you learn all this political science (a marxist invention in itself) and logic, at the Tavistock Institute, or on Rhodes Scholarship ?
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