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Old 07-29-2008, 06:02 AM
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Or nepotism. Whatever.

You can't even distinguish national-socialism, fascism and socialism so don't you start semantics on me now.....
Yes, we can distinguish them, but as I said they basically have the same principles.

No need to get into a lengthy discussion about it.

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Old 07-29-2008, 06:06 AM
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Yes, we can distinguish them, but as I said they basically have the same principles.
No, they don't. Differences between eg. communism and national-socialism are quite significant.

Besides... you seem to imply that only the most limited form of government is a good form of government. This is a typical libertarian fallacy. Very limited governments tend to lead to an economical variation on social darwinism which in turn leads to the most extreme sort of exploitation imaginable.
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Old 07-29-2008, 06:11 AM
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No, they don't. Differences between eg. communism and national-socialism are quite significant.

Besides... you seem to imply that only the most limited form of government is a good form of government. This is a typical libertarian fallacy. Very limited governments tend to lead to an economical variation on social darwinism which in turn leads to the most extreme sort of exploitation imaginable.
This thread isn't the place where our discussion about the different forms of government began.

That was on the "Are they all a bunch of Nazi's" thread.

In that thread, I suggested that fascism; Nazism and totalitarian governments were alike.

You brought up socialism, etc.

I did not imply that a limited form of government is a good government.

As I said, and I'll repeat, I suggested that fascism; Nazism and totalitarian government were alike.
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Old 07-29-2008, 06:23 AM
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In that thread, I suggested that fascism; Nazism and totalitarian governments were alike.

You brought up socialism, etc.
No, I didn't. I mentioned national-socialism, which is the neutral term for nazism. National-socialism == nazism and Hitler's party was called the National-Socialist German Worker's Party.

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I did not imply that a limited form of government is a good government.
Then what type of government do you prefer?

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As I said, and I'll repeat, I suggested that fascism; Nazism and totalitarian government were alike.
Hardly. The most totalitarian governments are Western-European 'democracies' and communist nations. Fascism and national-socialism (nazism) are alike, but they nevertheless differ on key issues.
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Old 07-29-2008, 07:52 AM
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No, I didn't. I mentioned national-socialism, which is the neutral term for nazism. National-socialism == nazism and Hitler's party was called the National-Socialist German Worker's Party.



Then what type of government do you prefer?



Hardly. The most totalitarian governments are Western-European 'democracies' and communist nations. Fascism and national-socialism (nazism) are alike, but they nevertheless differ on key issues.
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Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a concept used to describe political systems where a state regulates nearly every aspect of public and private life. The term is usually applied to Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany or communist states, such as Stalinist Russia, Democratic Kampuchea, Vietnam, China, Cuba and North Korea. Totalitarian regimes or movements maintain themselves in political power by means of an official all-embracing ideology and propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that controls the state, personality cults, central state-controlled economy, regulation and restriction of free discussion and criticism, the use of mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror tactics.
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Old 07-29-2008, 07:56 AM
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Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nazism, commonly known as National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus),[1][2][3][4] refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the Nazi Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, a period also known as the Third Reich.[5][6][7][8] The official name of the party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei[9] (NSDAP) — “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”. The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. Nazism is generally considered by scholars to be a form of fascism, and while it incorporated elements from both political wings, it formed most of its temporary alliances on the political right.[10] Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, ethnic nationalism, racism, collectivism,[11][12] eugenics, antisemitism, opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism,[13][14][12] anti-communism, and totalitarianism.
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Old 07-29-2008, 07:59 AM
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Yes, you brought up national socialism, for the record.

As we see, national-socialism is equivalent to Nazism; Nazism is equivalent to fascism; fascism is equivalent to a totalitarian government.

As I said.
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Old 07-29-2008, 08:46 AM
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Yes, you brought up national socialism, for the record.

As we see, national-socialism is equivalent to Nazism; Nazism is equivalent to fascism; fascism is equivalent to a totalitarian government.

As I said.
One one hand you claim we live in an Illuminati-controlled society and on the other hand you use very simplistic mainstream definitions (definitions accepted and used by our political leaders) to desribe political ideologies. Don't you see what's wrong with that picture?

- Nazism === national-socialism
- Nazism =/= fascism, although both are similar
- Totalitarianism is completely unrelated to both. As I said : the most totalitarian governments are Western-European 'democracies' and communist nations.
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Old 07-29-2008, 08:14 PM
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One one hand you claim we live in an Illuminati-controlled society and on the other hand you use very simplistic mainstream definitions (definitions accepted and used by our political leaders) to desribe political ideologies. Don't you see what's wrong with that picture?

- Nazism === national-socialism
- Nazism =/= fascism, although both are similar
- Totalitarianism is completely unrelated to both. As I said : the most totalitarian governments are Western-European 'democracies' and communist nations.
I don't use simplistic mainstream definitions to describe political ideologies.

Those are the definitions.

You just DON'T want to accept them.

An Illuminati controlled society is one of fascism, Nazism (national socialism) and a totalitarian government
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Old 07-30-2008, 04:25 AM
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I don't use simplistic mainstream definitions to describe political ideologies.

Those are the definitions.
Those are the definitions used by the NWO and other enemies of national-socialism and fascism and far from objective definitions.

Would you consider an anti-communist's definition of communism to be a suitable definition? Would you consider an anti-libertarian definition of libertarianism to be a suitable definition?

David Myatt describes national-socialism like this :

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National-Socialism believes there are two fundamental ways of living, and thus two fundamental types of society based upon these two ways. There is the material way of living, with individuals striving for, or pursuing, "happiness", material comfort and wealth. Then there is the way of excellence, of idealism (or nobility) with individuals striving for an idealistic goal. National-Socialism believes the material way is decadent - a waste of our lives, a waste of the evolutionary potential which we possess.

Furthermore, National-Socialism believes that the life of an individual is better, more fulfilling, if the idealistic goal that is pursued is in accord with the will of Nature. That is, if this idealistic goal aids Nature, and continues the evolutionary work of Nature. This stems from the National-Socialist assertion that we, as human beings, are part of Nature, and subject to the laws of Nature. All other philosophies, political beliefs or religions assert that we, as human beings, are somehow "above", different or separate from, Nature and her laws.

One of the fundamental aims of National-Socialism is to continue the work of Nature by creating better, more advanced, individuals and by creating a better, more advanced, more civilized society for these individuals to live and flourish in. National-Socialism believes that better individuals can only be created through the pursuit of noble values - by individuals changing themselves for the better through a personal act of will. This requires individuals, and society itself, to champion and uphold those values which create personal excellence, which aid the individual change necessary. According to National-Socialism, these values are honour, loyalty and duty - for only these values create the right type of idealistic person, someone with a purity of purpose. It is these values, and these values alone, which create a civilized individual. A civilized person is a more evolved individual - someone with a higher, a noble, personal character. Further, it is the duty of each noble individual to act in accord with the workings, the will, of Nature herself.

According to National-Socialism, the folk - or "race" - is how Nature works. For National-Socialism, the folk is Nature made manifest; the folk is our connection to Nature. The different folks which exist among our human species are an expression of evolution in action - of Nature working over Aeons to produce diversity and difference. Thus, the folk is an expression of our very humanity - of our human identity.

Accordingly, National-Socialism desires to preserve and further evolve, in an honourable way, the folk itself. All other philosophies, political beliefs or religions desire to destroy the folk through creating multi-racial, multi-cultural societies.

However, it needs to be stressed that National-Socialism - being based upon honour - demands that all National-Socialists treat all people, of whatever race and culture, with respect. To do otherwise, is contrary to the ethics of National-Socialism, based as these ethics are upon honour.

For National-Socialism, the fundamental meaning of our lives, as individuals, is to strive to continue the work of Nature. This means striving to advance ourselves through upholding, in our own lives, the civilized values of honour, loyalty and duty; it means us doing our noble and civilized duty by striving to preserve and further evolve our own folk or race, and those things which make our own people unique. These unique things are the ethos, the soul, the character, the culture, of our folk. According to National-Socialism, the ethos, the character of our human species is expressed by honour, curiosity, exploration - these things express the true nature of we human beings. Furthermore, National-Socialism believes that it is the ultimate Destiny of our human species to settle among the stars of our galaxy - to create a Galactic Empire or Federation.

In contrast to the inspiring, the noble, the Galactic - the numinous - goals of National-Socialism, the goals of all other philosophies, political beliefs or religions are mundane, materialistic and a complete waste of our lives.
This is far from the way national-socialism is described by the NWO (as a monstuous totalitarian and genocidal ideology), yet it is completely in line with historical evidence.

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An Illuminati controlled society is one of fascism, Nazism (national socialism) and a totalitarian government
An Illuminati controlled society is a totalitarian system that incorporates zionism, fake "democracy", "multi-culturalism", global free trade, commercialised hedonism and perversity, the dumbing down of the masses and mass consumerism. Fascism and national-socialism are the exact oposite of an Illuminati controlled society.
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