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Old 10-17-2008, 09:01 PM
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i twittered it

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Old 10-17-2008, 10:16 PM
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Damn....I got exposed & so fast....ya got me BA...I'm a govt plant here whose taking copius notes....so be afraid...very afraid. We're on to you so dont step oudda line or else

Seriously now.....the use of the word "your" was only used to make it sound more personal. Of course they are my rights as well....I had no idea I was gonna be so scrutinized here....guess I shoulda known better.

Sheesh!!!

& I have no clue what twittered means...sorry for my ignorance. Is that some sorta conspiracy insider lingo for my cover's been blown?
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Old 10-18-2008, 10:55 AM
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twitter.com -- it's one of those socialnetworking type of places

And nothing ever gets by BA so choose your words carefully, she will not hesitate to question anyone about anything =)
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Old 10-18-2008, 11:21 AM
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you find this informative and may read it already but, i'll print it here again about the venus project a subject studied for several years now.

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Zeitgeist: Addendum and The Venus Project hoax

Posted By point On October 8, 2008 @ 10:57 pm In Politics | 24 Comments

View the Zeitgeist film at the bottom of this post.

Little Bites of Point Print Zeitgeist: Addendum and The Venus Project hoax


The Venus Project assumes there can be an abundance of everything. That is simply not true. Technology can make many things abundant and the film discusses energy in great detail, but that is hardly everything. Human demand is limitless, it’s simply not possible for 6 billion people to each live in a 5000 square foot mansion with attached private beach on the Florida coast. We live in a finite world and I am simply not convinced that even the base assumption proselytized by this film is realistic. In fact, it appears to be terribly flawed and reminiscent of discredited communist rhetoric.

The creator of this film doesn’t seem to understand the difference between money and currency. Money is not the paper bills we use as a medium to exchange goods and services, money is a store of purchasing power that is represented by currency. Eliminating currency will not eliminate crime and corruption because the purpose of greed in a free market capitalist system was never to get more money but to get the stuff money can buy. As long as there is stuff there will always be ways to acquire it, and thus, money. In the absence of currency perhaps power and influence become the new money, isn’t that much worse? If the intent is to achieve a more equitable distribution of stuff, and you believe that is desirable, it’s ironically much easier for that to be accomplished with currency. In reality when resources become abundant, money does not lose value, it gains value as it allows you to consume much more. Everybody who has money would LOVE to see an abundance of resources for all humanity. The problem is not the money, it’s the debt. If people could afford everything they wanted they would stop borrowing to consume and put the banks out of business.

The reason capitalism discourages the selling of products until abundance is not because of a hatred of humanity, it’s because the capital required to fund those businesses could be better used to increase the supply of something else that is more in need of investment. How do we know that? By looking at prices! Take away the price system and you will have no way to know what the people want. You would need yet another corruptible “democratic” election process or a dictator to make decisions on your behalf. Here again the problem is not capitalism or profit, it’s debt. When money is cheap people no longer compete for scarce savings to maximize the efficiency of the money supply, they just build whatever the hell they want without regard for sustainability through profit because debt by inflation is always available from the banks. That creates inequality and poverty. In the new proposed system, if resources were cheap or freely available to everyone just as currency is today, competing projects would also have no incentive to maximize the efficient use of those resources. Everyone with influence (money) would support whichever pet projects provide maximum benefit to themselves. What’s the difference? When currency runs out, more is printed. When money runs out, prices adjust. When resources run out, what then?

The biggest corrupting pyramid scheme of them all is not even the creation of currency through debt, it’s how the newly created currency is distributed. With the Venus Project, as the first 100 units of some new technology become available, how will it be distributed? Who gets it first? The delivery of technology necessitates the creation of some sort of order or class system just as it does with currency. There will still be a hierarchy of people making the decisions and a hierarchy of people benefiting from them. Today the people who use the newly created debt currency first benefit the most, in the new proposed system the people who get the newly created technology first benefit the most. They could even trade their privileges like a commodity for other stuff, like that prime Florida real estate that’s still scarce. Please don’t pretend real estate as currency is some novel idea.

Who will design and build the machines and how will they be compensated? Pretending people will continue to work without compensation by blaming capitalist propaganda is a cop-out. Will you just give them even more of the stuff that is already in abundance, or perhaps some exclusive stuff that only the contributors enjoy? Would they not just trade those things like any other currency? Who will make sure the machines are not used for the benefit of one person or another, if there is no state or law? Who will prevent organized crime from cornering the market of still scarce primary materials?

The problem with our current system, as with any other, is not one of money. The people “behind the curtain” as they are often called do not need more money — they already have control over the printing press — what motivates them is power. A resource based system does not eliminate that desire, if anything it enhances the power elite by making it difficult for ordinary people to protect themselves with savings. In our current system, power is achieved by the manipulation of currency people believe is money. It is possible to take away the currency and the power yet maintain an honest money free market capitalist system. The people in control have already had everything in abundance for generations and this utopia has never been their experience, what makes you think this project will be any different with the masses? The cry of “this time it will be different” is as shallow as ever, it’s not different, it’s never different. It has never been different and it never will be. People would find other things to fight about: sex, gossip, art, fashion, music, etc. There is no way I will ever buy into this experiment on a global scale without at least a trace of plausibility. The only way for this system to be functional is to abandon its principles from the outset since without some new religion to indoctrinate the people with its new philosophy the idea is pure fantasy.
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Old 10-18-2008, 11:22 AM
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So why was twitter mentioned in reply to my post? u r not telling me to leave would ya? lol

& w/re to being questioned about everything....I applaud that.....as long as folks listen w/a truly open ear & mind.

There's no such thing as a stupid question...after all, w/out questioning, how can one truly be informed & thus remain on the path of constant learning?

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Old 10-18-2008, 11:29 AM
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hi raiderdad. pleasant to meet you so much. we having discussions last year as i recall that about the zeitgeist film, nevertheless and howeversomuch, you may walk the following critique with an open mind to find truth about the zeitgeist hoax.

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So why was twitter mentioned in reply to my post? u r not telling me to leave would ya? lol
Lol no.

If someone twitters something it just means they have posted it for anyone who visits their twitter account to see.
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Again...I had no idea choosing the wrong word here was gonna even be an issue....I think ya got my point even so, no?

this is gonna be tough if I'm gonna be constantly graded/judged here by lil things like that.....it'd be nice if we could move beyond that so we can move forward & not taking up such time on matters as such. TYVM!!
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TY for the replies & yes I look forward to hearing views that are opposed.

Thus I've bookmarked your clips for when I have some more time. I did watch the 1st few mins & have 1 question for u going forward....do you consider yourself to be a member of a religious org or would say that you at a minimum practice a faith?

Not that it truly matters one way or the other however it would be nice to know from what viewpoints you're posting from.

Having said that, in addition, do you have any ideas of how we can improve upon the way in which our society is being run? Your thoughts, views & comments are appreciated....& thx again for taking the time to point out other views.

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hi raiderdad. pleasant to meet you so much. we having discussions last year as i recall that about the zeitgeist film, nevertheless and howeversomuch, you may walk the following critique with an open mind to find truth about the zeitgeist hoax.

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Old 10-18-2008, 08:16 PM
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Surely u must be kidding w/all this....was it not YOU who made it an issue in the 1st place? I wasn't the one who was wondering about the use of a silly word....it was you who took the time to point that out not I...all I did was answer you & explain why I selected the word...yet you wanna pass it all off as if I'm the one whose all hung up on something....wadda hoot.


moving on woulda been to not get all hung up on such a silly thing to begin with...the mere fact that you even felt the need to bring up & point out such silly matter (choice of words) speaks volumes....& then pass it all off as if I'm the one whose being nit picky.....too funny u r.

makes one think you really enjoy being argumentitive....sorry....I aint biten..so there ya have it....but asking me to move on..move on from what? the fact that I replied to your question?

Whatever....OK....moving on if that's what ya wanna hear...actually, it sounds like you didn't wanna hear anything in reply b/c you told me no need to do so.....how nice of you to try & save me from a dreaded reply.

tell ya what BA....just ignore me & I'll do the same w/u...I think that'll be best moving forward....gettin all caught up on the small stuff as it seems you were (you were the one who 1st felt the need to point out the use of word & questioned me on it...remember?) is something for which I have no patience for....so how about this....I'll take a page oudda your M.O.....no need to reply...just move on...LMAO!!

But I can't guarantee you that I wont use the word "your" again as oppsoed to "our" in the future....so pls....try not to overthink yourself to death about it all.....life's way too short. Trust me....I'm not one of "them" LOL!!


e=BlueAngel;52331]I wondered about your choice of the word YOUR freedoms instead of OUR freedoms.

That's all.

It's not an issue unless you choose to make it one.

You can move beyond it, I'm sure.

Constantly graded and criticized?

Huh?

I wondered about something.

Seems you're blowing this way out of proportion.

Who is taking up so much time on this matter?

Not me.

No need to respond.

Just move forward.[/quote]
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