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Old 12-04-2008, 10:22 PM
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Why do you have to be a Christian to be a Freemason if Freemasonry is not a religion?
You can be any religion and join. The most recent Past Master of my Lodge is Jewish.

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THEY ARE A VERY LARGE "MALE ONLY" SECRET SOCIETY WHO IS INVOLVED WITH CHILDREN'S CHARITIES.
Well the Masons are a fraternity. Fraternity coming from the Latin word frater meaning brother.

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They can do no wrong.
I never said that, but you are alluding that they do nothing, but wrong. They are still men and err just like anyone else.

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Old 12-04-2008, 10:31 PM
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IF FREEMASONRY IS NOT A RELIGION, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE A RELIGION TO JOIN?
Otherwise no obligation could be considered binding upon him. No atheists allowed.

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Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It requires of its members a belief in God as part of the obligation of every responsible adult, but advocates no sectarian faith or practice. Masonic ceremonies include prayers, both traditional and extempore, to reaffirm each individual's dependence on God and to seek divine guidance. Freemasonry is open to men of any faith, but religion may not be discussed at Masonic meetings.

Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion:
  • It has no dogma or theology, no wish or means to enforce religious orthodoxy.
  • It offers no sacraments.
  • It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge, or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition, not with the means of salvation.
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:39 PM
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Freemasonry is not a religion, but you can't join unless you're a Christian because otherwise no obligation could be considered binding upon him.
Did you even read what I said before about it's open to ALL religions, not just Christian.

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No atheists are allowed, I guess, cause Freemasonry isn't a religion.
Did you even take a look at the quoted box I posted? I'll post it again:

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Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It requires of its members a belief in God as part of the obligation of every responsible adult, but advocates no sectarian faith or practice. Masonic ceremonies include prayers, both traditional and extempore, to reaffirm each individual's dependence on God and to seek divine guidance. Freemasonry is open to men of any faith, but religion may not be discussed at Masonic meetings.

Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion:
  • It has no dogma or theology, no wish or means to enforce religious orthodoxy
  • It offers no sacraments.
  • It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge, or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition, not with the means of salvation.
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:43 PM
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Who cares that it's open to all religions.
So when you're wrong you just dismiss it as no one cares, but it was a part of your argument?

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It's stated that FREEMASONRY isn't a religion, but you have to be a religion to become a member.

Explain that one, pal.
Read the box I posted.
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:50 PM
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THE POINT IS THAT FREEMASONRY IS NOT A RELIGION, BUT ONE MUST BE A RELIGION TO JOIN.

Apparently, you can't explain that one.
I guess I'll put more clearly:

Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It requires of its members a belief in God as part of the obligation of every responsible adult, but advocates no sectarian faith or practice. Masonic ceremonies include prayers, both traditional and extempore, to reaffirm each individual's dependence on God and to seek divine guidance. Freemasonry is open to men of any faith, but religion may not be discussed at Masonic meetings.

Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion:
  • It has no dogma or theology, no wish or means to enforce religious orthodoxy
  • It offers no sacraments.
  • It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge, or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition, not with the means of salvation.
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:54 PM
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If Freemasonry requires that you believe in GOD and are of a religion to become a member, but espouses it is not a RELIGION, something is wrong there, pal.
Really? How?

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It's a religion of its' own kind.
By definition, no its not.

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They've just hoodwinked you into believing they're of the Christian sort.
Nope. They don't hoodwink anyone into believing they are a particular religion since that is not allowed in the Lodge.
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:04 PM
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I didn't say they hoodwinked anyone into believing they were of a particular religion.
You were saying?

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They've just hoodwinked you into believing they're of the Christian sort.
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I SAID that FREEMASONRY states they are not a religion, but one must be a religion to become a member.

HYPOCRITICAL.
In your opinion.

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I said they've hoodwinked you into believing they are a religion because you must be a religion to join and no atheists are allowed, so, therefore, everyone believes in GOD, so therefore you think it's a religion, but they are of a different religion.
That's why we use phrases like "Supreme (or Grand) Architect of the Universe".
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:14 PM
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Well, that was a good post run! We'll have to do that another time. I am busy the next few days though
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:56 PM
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I'll have my people get a hold of your people. Good night.
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Quick thing to add here. Main masonry indeed does not allow Atheist members. However, there are various divisions of Masonry that do.
Most recognized among them is the Grand Lodge of France.
Grand Orient de France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, many members of mainstream FreeMasonry feel that allowing Athiests goes against the principles of Masonry, since it originally did, and still does, encourage people to follow and grow in their religion.
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