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Old 12-15-2004, 11:32 PM
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Yes, that's right -- feminism and pornography. Two words that don't seem like they should ever go together, and yet there is an unmistakably strong bond between the two concepts.
Consider, for instance, this come-on for a new feminist, lesbian-friendly magazine that found its way to my email box today via one of the Yahoo Groups that I frequent:

ISSUE #4 IS READY TO ORDER!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Altar Magazine Issue #4 will feature an interview with Elisabeth
Eaves, author of Bare: The Naked Truth about Stripping, and Growing,
the new Kranky sensation. Articles on all of our old favorites -
Iraq, Palestine, gay marriage, vegetarian recipes - and favorites
yet to be determined: a trip to Mexico uncovers much more than
you'll find in the guide books, a mother's fight to save her
daughter's life, why we all love America (heh!) and an open letter
to a stranger about a common lover.


There is an excellent post on Dr. Makow's savethemales site this week from a young man named Stephen re this very phenomenon, and here is yet another example of it. I quote from it:

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The irony is that misogynistic porn strengthens the feminists case of exploitation, yet it is feminism which is creating the conditions and market for it with the most damaged and vulnerable woman taking the brunt of the backlash.
Indeed, it seems difficult to reconcile the notion of the feminist ideal of "protecting women" from abuse on one hand (by men, of course), and then condoning the most exploitive, degrading forms of pornography on the other. Hence we find the same magazines that extoll the feminist agenda also find time to revere authors who write books about stripping for fun and profit.
Nor is this an isolated occurrence by any means. Recent issues of Ms. have included segments on whipping and sexual bondage.
Of course, a quick perusal of the reviews for Ms. Eaves" book goes a long way toward resolving this ostensible dilemma:

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Peep show dancing was a revelation; it gave her control, as it was her body that had the power to give men the sexual release they desperately craved. While this sexual power was "exhilarating," it left Eaves somewhat "disappointed," confirming some of her low expectations of men.
(from Amazon.com)

I have to agree with Dr. Makow. It all looks to me like a vicious, no-win cycle for women who are only taught to respect themselves by hating men. Their heterosexuality is twisted so that it can only be expressed in a manner that renders them as dysfunctional victims.
This is not the feminism of equality. It is the femnism of gender alienation. I cannot believe that this lifestyle will make any woman more happy or fulfilled.

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Old 12-15-2004, 11:56 PM
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Most women who're strippers or porn stars usually fill the void in their lives with drug addiction and/or sex addiction. I do'nt think most ever find meaningful relationships with that kind of lifestyle.
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Old 12-16-2004, 02:20 AM
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Hey freeman good call on that piece.
Have you heard of the CIA mind control MKultra ordeal that uses mind control on girls/ladies who usually end up in pornography. They have the "slides" and are used as sex slaves and or black mail devices. It's pretty sad.
One strange thing I noticed about pornography and prostitution is ... a video camera and oral or written consent!!!!
For real though both are the same .. sex for money ( unless you are the mind slave ) one goes to jail for doing her tricks ... the other gets a contract and is considered some what normal???
Strange doublethink at every turn!!

here is a related link:
http://www.the7thfire.com/child_sexual_abuse/trance_formation_of_america.htm
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Old 12-16-2004, 11:13 AM
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You hit the ugly button right on the head.

Abused children confuse sex with love. Hell, they are taught to confuse sex with everything. It's all about sex.

I ask any real man out there, would you want to see your sister or your daughter or your mum shakin' her fandango? Why is it O.K. as long as it is some else's child?

I ask any real woman out there, what is glamorous about a male, usually in some form of intoxicated state, drooling over your body, like you are a piece of meat and he is real hungry?

Money, is it worth your self esteem and how you view yourself? Men pay strippers to oggle their bodies and grope them if they can.

Would the behaviour that goes on in a stripper club be acceptable in public? Why behind closed doors? The cocaine that takes back the strippers "earnings" is always on sight. The prostitution that goes on in the private rooms?

Great life for any girl to live, a gateway to pornography and the drug world - stripping.

Wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will someone please define feminine for me?
How the hell did we achieve feminism as a derivative??

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Old 12-29-2004, 10:00 AM
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The sex industry and its promotion into mainstream is very damaging indeed, it gives a false image of life and especially women. As Henry says, women have an overriding need to love and be loved and anything less will not bring lasting fulfilment. The constant bombardment of sexual innuendo and soft porn in everyday TV shows and films let alone full on porn is nothing less than psychological assault. I can actually feel it physically when I'm visually assaulted; it feels like someone is grabbing yet another handful of my flesh/heart never to be returned or recovered. Can anyone else relate to that?

The thing is, us women don't need to be strippers to have men ogle us in a disrespectful manner. Men see sexualised material all the time in the general media; newspapers, magazines, billboards, TV programmes and of course the Internet. They see images and situations where women are portrayed as sexual objects who want and prefer sex with no strings attached, it's a form of brainwashing and it's worked, men believe the rubbish they read/watch and display their lust openly by ogling us 'normal' women on the street, in the workplace, even in the bloody supermarket! Funnily enough, the ones in the supermarkets usually have small children with them; it makes me want to puke. The men have become feminists too and are loving it as they can now get sexual fulfilment without giving anything back. I remember a few years ago men didn't want to marry you just go out with you or live together, now they don't even want that they just want to sleep with you! Feminism is to blame ggggrrrrrr I detest feminism and everything it stands for. All around me I hear women saying isn't it great that they can sleep with who ever they want and work (consume) until they drop serving some corporate pig.

There is a new reality show being filmed this year in England involving mothers and daughters competing for the same men, pitting mothers against daughters in this sexual way is morally corrupt and the incestuous undertones leave me cold. No doubt, some stupid, stupid mothers out there will watch this rubbish then encourage their daughters to go out 'on the pull' together. We'll be having paedophile reality shows next!

But then we need pornography and feminism to make us feel inadequate and dysfunctional, so dysfunctional that most would fight to the death to defend it :-(
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Old 12-29-2004, 11:35 AM
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Marypoppinz what are Canadian men like generally? Are they friendly towards the feminist cause? I read that Canada is crippled by political correctness just like we are in the UK and wonder if you as a woman share the same problems as us lot over here. Ooops I forgot you've lived here too! Duh! Tell me, are there any differences between British and Canadian men and society in general? Or as I suspect, we in in the west are probably pretty much the same in views and outlooks.
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Old 12-29-2004, 12:07 PM
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Ana... do you really want to know sweetie?

Of course you do, you dynamic girlie - girl!

I agree 110 % with your last post. Very astute woman, ye be, me lady.

The outstanding difference I saw was family morality. There are the women who drop their kids off to the childminder at 7:00 am, pick them back up at 7:00 p.m. What is the point? I noticed that a lot in England and I'm sure it is here too.

In England I saw a lot more young lads walking besides the pushchairs and prams of their girlfriends, than i do in my neck of the woods. i saw more people working opposing shifts in England to try and make sure a parent was with the kids. More family support, in general,in England.

What else... the men and feminism.

I have seen the wholesale spread of Consumerism whitewash over the British since 91'. The british gentleman is being lost to tony bliar's education, education, education. Britain is swallowing the american consumers dream which is really just the bankers globalization. Not a pretty picture.

I personally find British society more mature than canadian. Your school system was leaps ahead and is also being currently dumbed down to Nova Scotian standards... duhhhhh. They will soon be on a par.

The men... Canadian men are very chauvanistic, in general, at best. Media programming. They really have not been encouraged to be free thinkers. My husbands have all been foreign. And no, that's not cool. I wish things had been different, for my children's sake and such is life. One marriage 4 life is my ideal and i'll keep trying until i get it right.

Canadians and British both have a kind spirit and will help in times of need. Around these parts, I find the people really look inbred... no joke. It's not very attractive in a male. Intelligence in male or female form is just so hard to find in the form of an independent thinker, without buckets of baggage. Very few people are enjoying peace in these crazy times.

There are some very nice, good looking men and too insular, coming from North America. I find British men have been readily exposed to more cultures and are more at peace.

Hence why the BNP is in full force behind Tony bringing in the refugees, treating them blatantly better, than her own poorest and eldest citizens (no disrespect intended to any refugees. take what you can get. it's the government who is trying to create very bad race relations through directed overt spin doctor media methods. Cherry Blair's law firm handles a lot of refugee claims... and makes a lot of money of that little sweet deal.

Most men are blind to what we speak more here, than there. The British seem to have been taught a greater capacity for reasoning. Just my observation. I am not judging anyone here, before anyone goes on the attack. This is my perspective and I thought I'd share.

Toodles Ana

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Old 12-30-2004, 07:10 AM
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Mary :-D hahaha you crack me up, couldn't reply before now because I couldn't stop laughing, laughing WITH YOU I might add. I've tried the serious and sensible approach but you are forcing me to be myself and be a loony drama queen – you're more like me than you realise! Hahaha

Women leaving their children in fulltime day care is an ever growing trend, there have been stories recently in the UK of young children being treated very badly in these Nursery Gulags. I was listening to the radio when the story broke and the female presenters and some of the callers were saying they would rather not know as they feel guilty enough as it is without hearing stories of abuse! I couldn't believe what I was hearing - the feeling of guilt is natures way of alerting the mother to get back to her children. If I had children I would be with them at all times, it's about serving yourself and family not feminist genocide and Gucci shoes. (Although if anyone wants to buy me a pair for my birthday I wouldn't say no! haha). Children in the UK are now showing signs of self destructive behaviour; disrespect for their elders and parents, having sex (the STD rate here has exploded amongst teenagers), drinking and taking drugs and equally disturbing; an embracement of credit and the acceptance of high interest debt. These fulltime working mothers always come out with the same line; I want my children to respect me because I go to work, what they are actually doing is teaching their children the NWO ideology of materialism and family destruction. On your deathbed your children won't be congratulating you for being a professional tax slave, they will be congratulating you on being a fab mum. The biggest compliment.

You say in England you saw lots of young men walking besides the mother and their child, well they don't stick around, they move on to others and create more lost children. Recent report here said that 1 in 5 of British men in their 30's now live with children that they have not fathered, that worries me also because it's known that children are far more likely to be abused by men who are not their real fathers.

As for American consumerism taking over Britain, I totally agree, to the point that I've become a little or a lot depending on what mood anti American. Every UK high street and shopping centre has the same large corporations that have eroded our culture; the family business is a dying trade as big business takes over, too many American TV shows, America saving the world Hollywood movies. No offence to the American people but you all on here understand the NWO tool of destroying national culture and devide & rule, I also feel resentful of European culture being force fed so we become EU friendly/brainwashed. Again, no offence meant.

As for the school system, ours is so dumbed down our kids talk and write in 'text talk' yet amazingly, have degrees popping out of their bot-bots.

It's kind of you to say the British man has a greater capacity for reasoning and free thinking, hmmm they are needles buried in 100ft haystack! Most here are either middle class twits who are only interested in your pension plan and their navigation system in their silver shiny new cars OR working class thickos who tell you to be happy working as a cleaner in a pub, holiday in Spain and eat egg n chips because they don’t want to eat all that 'foreign muck' :-D

Yes my sweeite, you gotta laugh :-D

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Old 12-30-2004, 08:06 AM
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Ana, I damned near peed myself again.

We should get together and do a comedy act! What a couple of fools.

Yes, the EU. That's the britains social equivalent to canada's multiculturalism. Politically correct horseshit. The EU scares me. When the currency is the same, so follows the laws, the economics and eventually the taxes... to which bank in whose country?

I know Britain has so far opted out of the euro and....

I believe they will crash the Euro when they crash the greenback. Point of note. They have recently fashioned canada's paper funny money after the British pound note with the silvery thingy through it and the watermark. Why? Does the Euro looke the same too? Are they starting to amalgamate currencies more than we realise?

Back on track. Men.

That haystack is a mile thick is these parts - THICK being the operative word.

Our local chat show hosts says we should throw the rotten kids out of school... expel them. I questioned whether that was the best approach because they might not becomes educated lawyers and they might possibly breed irresponsibly, being uneducated, young, and lacking experience.

My friend Sylvie, said it right. This is a throw away generation. The babies have been chucked out with the bath water while mum buys a better tub...times flies...children grow.

ABANDONMENT.

Can we all say, "ABANDONED CHILDREN"?

Children do not raise themselves and oddly, strangers who are paid rarely care for children, as family, who love them, would. Surprised?

A lot of people wouldn't trust their best mate with their wallet and they will readily hand over a defenseless child to an adult, they really do not know at all. Scary, when you really think about it. They think beacuse money changes hands, that the child is going to get everything they need?

Helloooooooooooooo??????????

"Mummy? Excuse me, mum. Mum do I have to wear tights?"

"If you are going outside and you are wearing a skirt, yes you do."

"Mum. Love you."

Get the picture? A conversation that just happened while I was typing... with my five year old.

I love being a mum. Why would people who have children, accept the job offer and want to sub-contract the work out? So they can make more money than who they are paying to raise their child?

Where is the love? Literally? Figuratively? It's not at home. No one's ever home. There is no home. There is no mum waiting at home, anymore. There is something really wrong with that thinking, in my mind.

Maybe a couple of class acts like us can find a couple of classy guys. Who knows? We exist, and I am beginning to understand just what a rare breed (being real women) we are! There's real men out there too. Quite a few at this forum, I believe. One day, some way... keep up the faith.

Sending you warm fuzzy feelings

Mary XXX


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Old 12-30-2004, 01:23 PM
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I agree with all you wrote, above, at the start of this thread, freeman.

As a woman, I find the reality and presence of porn, soft porn in advertising, and all the other stuff pushed through the Internet and the media, hurtful, upsetting and annoying, at best. I think it is one of the main things being used by these anti-family/anti-men/anti-women think-tanks to ruin men, ruin women and ruin the family.

I can't count how many times I have heard women call up on call-radio counseling, talking about their men who have strayed, coming on the line mentioning porn addiction as a thing that is part of their Husband's daily “diet”.

This is a brutalization of both men and women, by taking sex out of its God ordained context, between one man and one woman, for life, in the context of a permanent sacred union under God, this only being marriage.

This, marriage as God intended, the Feminists will rave on, is "anti-women" as an institution. They will use fear (fear of divorce, abandonment, other things), to keep the women in a perpetually semi-independent, semi-trusting, semi-attached state, never needing her Husband. Or they imply this as not “good”... to need “a man”. This is not to say the women should not have incomes, but my point is, looking at other women this way, mainly via pornography,
sets up a spiritual paradigm in the mind of the man. This is poison and simply a weakening of his flesh, making a hardening of his spirit, introducing callousness in his heart, and often, thus, a severing between him and his Wife or bride-to-be.

First, he is finding dissatisfaction with his Wife or Wife to be, or he probably will, if he is swayed by this stuff. The whole agenda is set to, and I mean this delicately, grab men's souls by their loins, so as to emasculate their power and their integrity, which are deeply linked. Shame the man, “neuter” his integrity, they feel you “neuter” his power. Some of his greatest power in his integrity, holiness (wholeness) and fidelity to God and his Wife.
“He who loves his Wife loves himself”Ephesians 5:28

Why do we think sports starts are very vigilant with their intimate lives before competition?

I think the same ones who made all this mess, Satan at its core no doubt in my mind, cannot STAND the very image of God made in man and woman and the procreative beauty that occurs in their faithful loving unity. This is the very Shekinah glory of God that happens when a man and woman become One flesh, under God, in holy matrimony.

This union of man and wife makes a picture, as the very image of God. It is the strength and healing and edification of the man and life for him. It is the healing, protection, love and provision for the woman and she needs this. I know as a woman, and a Christian woman who is not duped by so much Darwin talk, and even if I was, I do need this.

It is hard to put all these concepts out there and share my thoughts in a word. I feel very strongly on all this though and passionately, because I see how Satan is looking to use secular media: MTV, Television, magazine glosses and the Internet (porn) to catch young, and older men, hold them its snare, and make them feel bewildered, jaded, empty and valueless.

It is a whole scene and scenario, and the dynamic touches everything from abortion, to birth-control (I mean Nazi doctors looking to control women’s thoughts and ideas about procreation etc., their "rights". etc.etc.)

Their hand though is in the sticky-wicket of looking to remove the glory of the Creator from:

1. Man (hence how men see themselves, "animals"? apes? Not really. Women, valueless except for appearances? No, not truly..)

2. Male and female dynamics, roles and relationships.

3. Courtship, dating, and now, marriage, and all that that entails.

4. Love, sex and sexuality and fidelity.

5. The family and the family dynamic with in-laws and others but mainly how they are or are not with each other, themselves, their children if they have them.

Look to the Shekinah glory of God made manifest in the union of man and woman at marriage, this again, the very reproduction or a similar image of God, His image in every man and woman. And their unity His highest gift and sharing.

Now look and see who and what sought and seek to devalue this and these, and you have your answers, which I think you already know.

These folks are for no one, not really.
Not for men, or women or children, clearly.

But TV/media has tried to indoctrinate us all by way of their undressing images before our eyes, daily. I assure you guarding your heart here and on others is a part of your Godly “resistance”. They are banking on pride, unforgiveness, self-pity & self-focus/selfishness, lusts and materialism to be things used to break families up, communication down, and a thing to make walls.

All the while their fake "sex", through glossy photos, can be the imagined drug of choice for a pained and spiritually disconnected lot of men out there. These poor guys who have seen these dark systems severe the sacred unity and purity that is really at the heart of all health and welfare for them, join in self-undoing in this, surely. For those who know better, God's plan is the only health and plan, for men, their future and surely their families.

I have more to say on this, it can be so hard to say what you really want to here, with time constraints and all.

Like all of Satan's "creations", (though he has created nothing and is the thing of dark vacuums only), he is all about stealing the wholesomeness, the beauty, the holiness (wholeness) and the unity, and, of course, the truth, the faithfulness, the love. If moral relativism ( 'there are no "right" and no "wrongs") and incrimentalism can have enough kids from "broken" homes fed on secular ideologies, weaned On MTV, etc. they will never know right from wrong or how to treat anyone, including themselves.

For the gays, I think, sadly for them, unless some come to find out, it is even more of a kind of suicide also.

The cure for all of this lies in the individuals and families looking to do things God's way, for themselves first.

Bring up a child the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it.


I feel very hurt and grieved for men and woman out there who have been hurt by this system, and we all have I am sure, in one way or another.

As a woman and a Wife, I am pained to see this, if not simply, as a human being.

http://www.pureintimacy.org/gr/theology/a0000105.cfm

P.S. PLEASE don't make the fatal-error of going online and doing a search of "Shekina" using new-age forums. There you will get lots of untrue misinformation coming out of pagan ("new"-age) Talmud-based sources. These are NOT the true Shekina of God, which is simply HIS glory. These other ones seek to "deify" women and make "girl-power" and their similar Feminist spawns a thing as focus and a thing as valued.

It amounts to nothing from the perspective of the Bible, except as any of the resulting pains or dissatisfcations, resulting in looking to see "self" as "god", small g. It is pride and meaningless..As true love, on the part of a woman, will NEVER be about manipulations by use or misuse of any God-given "power" to her..Misuse of these powers and corrupting of them at the very core of the new-age and Pro-Feminist new-age ideologies, all anti men, ant-woman and anti-God and family, at heart. And of course, aptly named, anti-Christ..

The TRUE Shekina study you do will be about purity and hoiless, God's way and the true Word of God and His glory, no creature's, nor specialness to either sex, in rference to pride, unholiness, or misuse of "powers"..

Please make the distinction, if you study about this. I will try to provide some links on what I have written.

This one seems good too:

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-religion/1282138/posts
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