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Old 12-15-2008, 02:39 PM
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Because I have a quick second I'll respond to a few posts. I'll be back on after Friday. I know BlueAngel, you must be thrilled.

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From whom does this organization receive their money in order to support medical research, children's charities, orphanages, etc?
From the individual brothers usually. At the base of my desk is a donation box for the Blue Lodge. In the York Rite we pass around a bowl for donations.

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What type of fundraising do they do?
A popular one we do in Boise is breakfast fundraiser. We do pretty well out of that. We do raffles sometimes.

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I've never received anything in my mailbox; heard anything on the television asking for donations to the Freemason Society so they can assist children's charities, medical research and orphanages.
A lot of Charities or donation are anonymous. I know this year a rural Lodge is helping out less fortunate families in the are with food, presents, and clothes. I'm going to ask my Lodge to do the same with about 9 unfortunate families in our area.

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Freemasonry states that it is not a religion, but all members must be of a religion to join and atheists are not accepted, so it is a RELIGION.
Again, no it's not. I've posted tons of information on this. It has no dogma, no salvation, no religious tenets. It's not a religion. It's just a requirement. It's not that a hard of a concept.

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IF THEIR MEMBERS MUST BE OF A RELIGION, FREEMASONRY is a religion.
Invalid argument. Non sequitar.

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If Freemasonry is not a religion, why do the members need to be of a religion to join?
Because you take an oath and it wouldn't be considered binding unless you believe in a higher power.

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Old 12-15-2008, 06:14 PM
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Alright BlueAngel, what I am about to post comes from the Idaho Masonic Monitor (our ritual book). I know what I’m allowed to post so I will not be violating any part of my Obligation, nor the Code & Digest of my Grand Jurisdiction. Everything within quotations is from the book.

Installation ceremony:

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Masonry teaches Brotherhood, morality, justice, tolerance, citizenship and the importance of education. It espouses freedom of ideas, freedom of religious choice, and freedom of expression.


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Freemasonry is religious in character, but it is not a religion. It has no theology and does not teach any method of salvation. It’s lone requirement concerning religion is that all its members must express a belief in a Supreme Being.

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It respects the right of all men to practice the religion of their choice, and this freedom is so cherished by Masons that it is strictly forbidden to discuss religion at our meetings, since a members religious belief is his own private business. It is non-political, and like religion, the discussion of partisan politics at its meetings is also strictly forbidden


SIDENOTE: Sorry, a little ADD just struck me, but Worshipful and Right Worshipful were used to describe Mayors and Magistrates back in older British times where many of our rituals were written. I did a little research on that a month ago, but forgot to post it.

When the Worshipful Master is installed he is asked to conform to the following charges/duties/regulations. Here are some of them:

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I: You are to be a good man and true, and strictly to obey the moral law.

II: You agree to be a peaceful citizen, and cheerfully to conform to the laws of the country in which you reside.

III: You promise not to be concerned in plots and conspiracies against government, but patiently to submit to the decisions of the supreme legislature.

IV: You agree to pay a proper respect to the civil magistrate, to work diligently, live creditably, and act honorably by all men.

XI: You admit that it is not in the power of any man or body of men, to make innovations in the body of Freemasons.
The last one, XI, proves that there is no greater order, inner circle, or knowledge/ritual than that which comes from this book and if there is one then it is not recognized by the Brethren and would not by me, to include my Lodge.


The jewel of the Worshipful Master’s station is the SQUARE.

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That, my Brother, is an emblem of morality

1st Degree Lecture:

The whole climbing the ladder comes from here:

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…your ambitious feet may tread round after round the ladder that leads to fame in our mystic circle, and even the purple of our Fraternity may rest upon your honored shoulders.

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You were presented with a Lambskin apron because the lamb, in all ages, has been deemed an emblem of innocence. He, therefore, who wears the lambskin as the badge of a Mason is continually reminded of that purity of life…


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…the three principle rounds of which are denominated Faith, Hope, and Charity; which admonish us to have faith in God, hope of immortality, and charity for all mankind. The greatest of these is Charity.

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…Charity extends beyond the grave through the boundless realms of eternity.

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TRUTH is a divine attribute, and the foundation of every virtue. To be good and true is the first lesson we are taught in Freemasonry. On this theme we contemplate, and by its dictates endeavor to regulate our conduct. Hence while influenced by this principle, hypocrisy and deceit are unknown among us; sincerity and plain dealings distinguish us; and, with heart and tongue, we join in promoting each other’s welfare and rejoicing in each other’s prosperity.


Freemasonry has 4-Cardinal Virtues. Here are some excerpts:

Temperance:

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This virtue should be the constant practice of every Mason, as he is thereby taught to avoid excess or the contracting of any licentious or vicious habits.

2nd Degree Lecture:

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By Speculative Masonry we learn to subdue the passions, act upon the Square, keep a tongue of good report, maintain secrecy, and practice charity.

2nd Degree Charge:

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Freemasonry is a progressive moral science divided into different degrees…


There is so much more to post, but I don’t have the time to write it all out.
After opening the Lodge we always do the Pledge of Allegiance to the American Flag.


All this I have posted, to the rational thinking mind, would see the Craft for what it is, a group of men doing good work.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:06 PM
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Thanks for all that information, but I really don't have the time nor do I have the desire to debate with you any longer about FREEMASONRY cause you're just a low man on the totem pole who has no clue as to the higher structure of this secret society.
See what I mean. BlueAngel can't argue with what I post so they claim that the OP is just a low man. BA has no idea since he is not in the organization. How can one that is not in the organization make such baseless accusations? It's stupid insanity that anyone would believe a non-member without real experience over a member that has the hands on knowledge.

Again, it would be like a civilian telling me how to do my job in the Army when that person has had no experience whatsoever in that field. But, go on and live that life of sheer ignorance. Run along, run along. You have no way of disproving anything I've posted and proving anything you have posted.

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Freemasonry is a religion because it requires one be of a religion to join.

PERIOD.
Wow, look at you go. You can really bury it.

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