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Old 12-13-2008, 09:45 PM
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Ludwig van BeethovenIn 1779, a composer, writer, teacher, and dreamer named Christian Neefe arrived in Bonn, Germany, to work for the Electoral Court. Neefe (pronounced nay-fuh) was the definition of what Germans call a Schwärmer, a person swarming with rapturous enthusiasms. In particular, he was inflamed with visions of endless human potentials that the Scientific Revolution and the Enlightenment promised to unleash. Like many progressives of the time, Neefe believed that humanity was finally coming of age. So he had picked the right place to get a job. Bonn was one of the most cultured and enlightened cities in Germany; the court supported a splendid musical and theatrical establishment . Before long in his new post, Neefe found himself mentoring a genius. Meanwhile, in his spare time, he signed on with a plan to, as it were, rule the world!

One of Neefe’s first students was a sullen, grubby, taciturn 10-year-old
keyboard player named Ludwig van Beethoven. He was the son of an alcoholic singer who had more or less beat music into him. The kid seemed more like a charity case than a budding musician, but Neefe soon discovered that his talent could put him in the league of the musicalphenomenon of the age, a child of freakish gifts named Mozart.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:21 PM
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Im pretty sure Mozart was a Freemason.
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Masons are even among us now
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Im pretty sure Mozart was a Freemason.
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Mr. Worshipful Master's presence is barely noticed, if at all.
I'M A REAL BOY!
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Old 12-30-2008, 08:44 PM
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What is it that you are trying to convey by stating that you are a real boy?

How old are you?

If you're over the age of 18, you are considered a man.

If you are over the age of 18, and consider yourself a boy, something is dreadfully wrong with you and, might I ask, what is the difference between a REAL BOY and a fake one?
Humor, satire, and so forth. I was making light of your comment about me being barely noticeable.
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Oh, no.

Beethoven was influenced by the Illuminati.

Absurd!
absurd? How is it absurd?
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Old 01-20-2009, 12:45 PM
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absurd; out of tune.

Get it?
I was hoping for argumentation but appearently you believe that we have some sort of a mindreading device so we can read your mind and understand everything.

This was really stupid response and you know it.
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I've heard about Mozart being a Mason and it is accepted, but I've never heard before that Beethoven was a member of the Illuminati.
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Well, we're just so glad that you accept Beethovan was a Mason. Ever occur to you that Freemasonry is connected to the Illuminati?
Where did I accept Beethoven as a Mason? I said I had not heard about this before. I said MOZART was a Mason, but not Beethoven. Oh, it's occurred to me, but I researched, looked around, and found no connection.
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