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Old 07-20-2009, 11:30 AM
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Astronut, the reason you give may explain why the ISS appears to drift to one side of the field of view only to be centred again each time but this is clearly not what is happening in your video. The image of the ISS is dancing around erratically and apparently at random.

As for titanium oxide having a bond energy of 458 eV (sic.) are you absolutely certain you didn't actually mean 458 kJ/mol? The two units are completely different. I wouldn't be surprised about the latter figure but certainly not the former.

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Old 07-20-2009, 12:26 PM
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Astronut, the reason you give may explain why the ISS appears to drift to one side of the field of view only to be centred again each time but this is clearly not what is happening in your video. The image of the ISS is dancing around erratically and apparently at random.
Getting and keeping ISS in the field of view at an effective magnification of 400x is much more difficult than doing the same with saturn; one is flying across the sky at several degrees per second at its peak, the other is almost stationary. Add to that, the lag between issuing a command in the satellite tracking and seeing it reflected on the screen, and with my color camera the framerate is almost-slideshow-like and you get massive over-correction. It's moving "erratically" because I'm having trouble getting it to center properly. You also get hiccups when the computer pauses for a split second to process the tracking commands - that results in it dashing out of the field only to return a moment later, assuming I didn't react to the sudden motion and "correct it" out of the field. Again, you're trying to compare centering a celestial object like saturn to centering a fast-moving satellite where the controls are sluggish and the slightest mistake is devastating. Last, but not least, to increase stability I always mount the LX200 in alt-az mode when doing satellite tracking. As you should know, alt-az has the nasty issue of field rotation; not so bad for short planetary observations, but devastating to long exposure images. This also affects satellite tracking for the same reason; in different parts of the sky, "up and down" in the eyepiece will mean totally different things in terms of right ascension and declination. For satellite tracking, this means that pushing "up" on the joystick will adjust the apparent position of the satellite one way at the start of a pass, and a different way at the peak of a pass. If you're using less magnification like in the second video, this is acceptable as long as you have room to play with, for 400x it means you're going to look like you're adjusting it erratically. For my second video, however, I had a wider field of view at the equivalent of 200x and the motion of ISS is quite stable.
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As for titanium oxide having a bond energy of 458 eV (sic.) are you absolutely certain you didn't actually mean 458 kJ/mol? The two units are completely different. I wouldn't be surprised about the latter figure but certainly not the former.
Yes, I'm sure. It's 458 eV. See: Tatsuya Okubo et al (2005) Plasma Nitriding of Titanium Particles in a Fluidized Bed Reactor at a Reduced Pressure. Journal of the American Ceramic Society. 73(5) pg. 1150-1152
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Old 07-21-2009, 07:27 AM
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Yes, I'm sure. It's 458 eV. See: Tatsuya Okubo et al (2005) Plasma Nitriding of Titanium Particles in a Fluidized Bed Reactor at a Reduced Pressure. Journal of the American Ceramic Society. 73(5) pg. 1150-1152
Astronut, scientific journals such as the one you quote from are not good sources in general when it comes to physical chemistry data. Are you sure you are not actually quoting for some other physical property relating to titanium oxide? Looking at your source this looks highly likely. "Plasma Nitriding of Titanium Particles in a Fluidized Bed Reactor at a Reduced Pressure from the Journal of the American Ceramic Society" WHAT........!!?? COME AGAIN.......!!??

According to the CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 75th Edition, the bond energy of Ti-O is 672.4 kJ/mol. This is equivalent to 6.98 eV. To convert to electronvolts you divide 672,400 by 6.022 x 10exp23 (the Avagadro constant which is the total number of molecules in a mole) and then divide this by the total energy is a single electronvolt which is 1.6 x 10exp-19 joules.

You see titanium oxide is not such a strong bond after all and would easily be broken up by the Sunís UV rays.
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Old 07-21-2009, 07:40 AM
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Astronut, scientific journals such as the one you quote from are not good sources in general when it comes to physical chemistry data.
It's actually a much more reliable source. It clearly states that the Titanium oxide bond energy is 458eV. Not kJ/mol. Laughing at it won't make it go away. Here's another reference:
Xuebin Zheng, et al 2000 Bond strength of plasma-sprayed hydroxyapatite/Ti composite coatings.
Are you sure you weren't quoting the strength of a Ti-O bond?

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You see titanium oxide is not such a strong bond after all and would easily be broken up by the Sun’s UV rays.
Titanium will not disintegrate under UV light, that's insane. Indeed, the presence of an electronegative The fact that I can personally see and photograph the space station confirms this simple fact.

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Old 07-21-2009, 11:58 AM
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Here's another reference:
Xuebin Zheng, et al 2000 Bond strength of plasma-sprayed hydroxyapatite/Ti composite coatings.
Are you sure you weren't quoting the strength of a Ti-O bond?
Of course I was referring to the bond strength of Ti-O. What do you think I was talking about? You said the Space Shuttle was coated in titanium oxide which would not break down in the Sun's UV. Here's your quote to prove it:

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Titanium oxide (which would be the outermost atomic layer of ISS's skin) has a bond energy of 458 eV.
And don't try to wriggle out of either with the following quote:

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Titanium will not disintegrate under UV light, that's insane.
YES, WE WERE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT TITANIUM OXIDE!!
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:02 PM
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Of course I was referring to the bond strength of Ti-O. What do you think I was talking about?
Apparently you don't know jack about metal oxidation or the difference between dissociating oxygen from Titanium and titantium from titanium. If you think breaking a Ti-O bond is going to disintegrate the space station, then there's really nothing I can do to help you.
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You said the Space Shuttle was coated in titanium oxide which would not break down in the Sun's UV. Here's your quote to prove it:
Funny, in my quote I'm talking about ISS. The space shuttle doesn't have titanium anywhere on its skin. And yes, the outer layer of titanium on ISS should have been oxidized before it left earth, but the Ti-O bond is not what gives ISS its structural stability.
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And don't try to wriggle out of either with the following quote:
Umm, I'm not. The electronegativity of the Ti-O bond does have an effect on the bond strength of the surrounding metal-metal bonds.
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YES, WE WERE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT TITANIUM OXIDE!!
lol, not in the way you seem to think.

So, got an explanation for those videos yet, or is your bullcrap still debunked?
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:47 AM
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This entire thread is a HOAX!
This thread is not a hoax Blueangel, I can guarantee. However I cannot guarantee that what Astronut is saying is not part of the hoax that represents the Space Shuttle and the ISS.

Does Blueangel really believe in the Shuttle and ISS? If NASA are an entirely above board and genuine organization then why were they also indulging in drug induced mind control experiments as Cathy O'Brien clearly states they were in her book?

I didn't reply to Astronut because I'm board hearing what he's saying!!
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Old 07-23-2009, 07:23 AM
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I didn't reply to Astronut because I'm board hearing what he's saying!!
Another closed mind, unwilling to accept independent evidence, color me surprised. Here's where you're probably going wrong, alexander.

You seem to think the equivalent of delta H is the bond energy, and since UV light is > delta H on this graph, titanium will disintegrate. The true binding energy is given by E sub A. You need at least that much energy, a much higher value than UV light can provide, to disintegrate titanium. You will end up spending a net amount of energy equal to a much lower value, delta H, because when the bond breaks it will release most of the energy back.

Or you could have just accepted the mountains of independent video and photographic evidence of ISS that shows you're doing something wrong in your observations.

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Old 07-23-2009, 12:12 PM
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Obviously, I don't believe that NASA is above board, but I have no clue as to whether or not the ISS and Space Shuttle are a hoax.

If they are, it wouldn't be the first time the public has been fooled by our government.

911 comes to mind.

Some of the same Nazi scientists who were responsible for torture and experimentation of Holocaust prisoners during WWII were given safe haven in the US; touted as ROCKET SCIENTISTS who went to work for NASA.

This, to appease the public that we allowed NAZI's into our country.

Hence, their HUMAN experimentation in mind control and much more continued in the good ole' US of A under the direction of the CIA who were learning from them.

My memories of CAPE CANAVERAL and the Kennedy Space Center are vague, but I'm certain I was there.
Nazis didn't just end up in NASA, they went to universities throughout the USA and help found and staff the CIA itself which was formed at the very end of WWII. Much of the CIA's ant-soviet politics probably came from this Nazi influence but undoubtably much of it also came from the Mafia's hatred of communist regimes in the far east and south america who had the nasty habit of destroying their narco crops.

There is much evidence that the science of mind control was originally pioneered by the Nazis during WWII.

As for 9/11 I believe this was the Mafia's direct response to the Taliban's banning of opium production in 2000. Since the US and its allies have been in Afghanistan the country is producing even more opium than before the ban. Before the ban it was 70% of the world's supply now it is 93%.
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Old 07-23-2009, 12:35 PM
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