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Old 10-26-2009, 01:22 PM
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I dont need to read the link to tell you that yes, the Germans sponsored Lenin (and sent him back to Russia) hoping it would destabilize the Russians.
But does that mean that Communism (in its Russian form) was a conspiracy, and a German inspired one at that?

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Old 10-27-2009, 01:13 PM
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At the time they thought it would weaken the Russians, but obviously they never anticipated a Stalin coming onto the scene. I suppose it does loosely fit the definition of a conspiracy. More like political sabotage.
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Old 10-27-2009, 01:58 PM
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At the time they thought it would weaken the Russians, but obviously they never anticipated a Stalin coming onto the scene. I suppose it does loosely fit the definition of a conspiracy. More like political sabotage.
I agree.

However what about the Hitler/Stalin alliance regarding the invasion and division of Poland?

Further after Hitler's betrayal of Stalin why did Hitler believe he could invade and conquer Russia overnight? This is not what happened, in fact far from it. Germany's humiliation in Russia was one of the turning points in the war. Many commentators have put this down to pure madness on Hitler's part.

But is there more to it than that? Did Hitler have, or believed he had, inside support in the Soviet Union that would swing things in his favour? This is very much how the man Hitler thought. He had many schemes on the boil.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:06 PM
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Spanish flu
Bird flu
Swine Flu
Something in common? Man Made?

Was The 'Spanish Flu'
Epidemic Man-Made?
Sixty Million Dead In 1918-19

By Henry Makow PhD
12-2-6

In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made.
He was referring to the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 that infected 20% of the world's population and killed between 60 and 100 million people. This is roughly 3 times as many as were killed and wounded in World War One, and is comparable to WWII losses, yet this modern plague has disappeared down the memory hole.
Mueller said the flu started as a US army bacteriological warfare weapon that somehow infected US army ranks at Camp Riley KS in March 1918, and spread around the world. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/influenza/peopleevents/pandeAMEX86.html
He says that it "got out of control" but we cannot discount the horrible possibility that the "Spanish Flu" was a deliberate elite depopulation measure, and that it could be used again. Researchers have found connections between it and the current "Bird Flu." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4308872.stm%20
There was nothing "Spanish" about this flu. According to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu%20
"In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died. In Britain 200,000 died; in France more than 400,000. Entire villages perished in Alaska and southern Africa. In Australia an estimated 10,000 people died and in the Fiji Islands, 14% of the population died during only two weeks, and in Western Samoa 22%. An estimated 17 million died in India, about 5% of India's population at the time. In the Indian Army, almost 22% of troops who caught the disease died of it."
"Indeed, symptoms in 1918 were so unusual that initially influenza was misdiagnosed as dengue, cholera, or typhoid. One observer wrote, "One of the most striking of the complications was hemorrhage from mucous membranes, especially from the nose, stomach, and intestine. Bleeding from the ears and petechial hemorrhages in the skin also occurred.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:28 PM
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Spanish flu
Bird flu
Swine Flu
Something in common? Man Made?

Was The 'Spanish Flu'
Epidemic Man-Made?
Sixty Million Dead In 1918-19

By Henry Makow PhD
12-2-6

In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made.
He was referring to the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 that infected 20% of the world's population and killed between 60 and 100 million people. This is roughly 3 times as many as were killed and wounded in World War One, and is comparable to WWII losses, yet this modern plague has disappeared down the memory hole.
Mueller said the flu started as a US army bacteriological warfare weapon that somehow infected US army ranks at Camp Riley KS in March 1918, and spread around the world. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/influenza/peopleevents/pandeAMEX86.html
He says that it "got out of control" but we cannot discount the horrible possibility that the "Spanish Flu" was a deliberate elite depopulation measure, and that it could be used again. Researchers have found connections between it and the current "Bird Flu." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4308872.stm%20
There was nothing "Spanish" about this flu. According to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu%20
"In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died. In Britain 200,000 died; in France more than 400,000. Entire villages perished in Alaska and southern Africa. In Australia an estimated 10,000 people died and in the Fiji Islands, 14% of the population died during only two weeks, and in Western Samoa 22%. An estimated 17 million died in India, about 5% of India's population at the time. In the Indian Army, almost 22% of troops who caught the disease died of it."
"Indeed, symptoms in 1918 were so unusual that initially influenza was misdiagnosed as dengue, cholera, or typhoid. One observer wrote, "One of the most striking of the complications was hemorrhage from mucous membranes, especially from the nose, stomach, and intestine. Bleeding from the ears and petechial hemorrhages in the skin also occurred.
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An article by Makow.

That means it's absolutely and positively true, doesn't it?

Well, of course, if you're one of his followers.

Posts like this always bring me back to my INTIAL QUESTION.

How is it that the CONTROLLERS who supposedly EMPLOY the scientific community to create a flu for depopulation measures are immune to it?

The same query I have when a post is made about fluoride and the negative effects of same.

What do the controllers use for toothpaste?

One that is specially made for them and doesn't contain fluoride?

From where do they obtain their water supply?

A private pipe line that isn't fluoridated?

Could you kindly provide some back-up for the following, Farenheit?

"In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made."

How did Mueller know that that Spanish flu was man-made?

Is it because he helped to develop this man-made flu in Germany when he was 18 years old?

Thanks,
BA

P.S. Mueller was born in 1900. The Spanish flu hit in 1918/1919.

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Old 10-28-2009, 09:56 AM
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I suppose they had genetic engineering labs in 1918, even though the structure of DNA wasn't known until 1953 or so?
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Old 10-28-2009, 02:00 PM
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In reply to Fahrenheit 912 I would note the following two points:

What was Heinrich Mueller, a former head of the Gestapo, doing telling his CIA interrogators that the Spanish Flu came from the United States and that the Americans were therefore to blame? Didn't his CIA interrogators know this piece of information already if presumably the CIA were part of the cover-up?

Come on, this doesn't add up.

Heinrich Mueller also claims that the Spanish Flu was released accidentally and this would therefore imply that the release of the virus during WWI was entirely co-incidental. How can we take his word for this? Could it not for example have been a German agent who was responsible for 'accidentally' releasing the virus from a US lab?

I don't believe Mueller's story at all.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:41 AM
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An article by Makow.

That means it's absolutely and positively true, doesn't it?

Well, of course, if you're one of his followers.

Posts like this always bring me back to my INTIAL QUESTION.

How is it that the CONTROLLERS who supposedly EMPLOY the scientific community to create a flu for depopulation measures are immune to it?

The same query I have when a post is made about fluoride and the negative effects of same.

What do the controllers use for toothpaste?

One that is specially made for them and doesn't contain fluoride?

From where do they obtain their water supply?

A private pipe line that isn't fluoridated?

Could you kindly provide some back-up for the following, Farenheit?

"In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made."

How did Mueller know that that Spanish flu was man-made?

Is it because he helped to develop this man-made flu in Germany when he was 18 years old?

Thanks,
BA

P.S. Mueller was born in 1900. The Spanish flu hit in 1918/1919.


Mrs. Angel:

Your continuous, consistant use of vague, inexplicit terms such as "MASTERS," "SLAVES," "CONTROLLERS," and the omnipresent "THEY," and "THEM" serves your case very poorly - but only to the extent that you are able to make any sort of case at all... The use of such words begs an infinate number of questions: Who are these "CONTROLLERS" that you mention? Members of the supposed "Illuminatti"? Oil company executives? Members of the press? Marxists? Fascists....? Who are the "SLAVES?" The Proletariat? Second or third level corporate executives....? A higher degree of specificity would make your text much more intelligible and even readable...

Now to the issue of the Spanish Flu epidemic: The conceptualization and use of "germ warfare" goes all the way back to the Middle Ages. It was known by invading armies then, that by introducing (ie. hurling or catapulting) the corpses of plague-ridden animals or even humans over the walls of the fortresses of enemies, that the inhabitants of these complexes would quickly be consumed by plague and subsequently vanquished. So germ warfare has the rather dubious distinction of having its roots rather deeply entrenched in human history.

The histories of epidemiology (disease process) and immunology (vaccines) have roots going back over 200 years. The first vaccine (for smallpox) was developed by Jenner in 1789 using a lesser strain of the smallpox pathogen (cowpox). This lesser strain was known to affect milkmaids and subsequently made them immune to the more virulent and deadly form of the disease. The first vaccine for rabies was developed by Pasteur in 1885, utilizing a weakened strain of the rabies pathogen. This was to be followed in 1896 by vaccines for both cholera and diptheria, again utilizing weakened strains of both pathogens. So well before the development of the DNA model and the turn of the twentieth century, both epidemiology and immunology were firmly established in the world of science.

So then, that would lead to the initial question in the article by Dr. Makow, "Was the Spanish Flu Epidemic Man-Made?" One would have to look at this disease within the context of the times (circa WWI). The First World War saw the first introduction of various non-conventional weapons of mass incapacitation and death (ie. mustard gas, nerve agents, others) that were to be later banned by international treaty. One would think that the US Army would have had more than just a passing interest in these unconventional weapons at that time, including and especially germ warfare. The question of whether the science of 1918 was compatible with the development of such germ warfare agents, while debatable, seems much more likely than not.

In closing, I will direct you to an excerpt from a related article by Dr. Makow, concerning and possibly clarifiying the issue of Heinrich Mueller. Reference second, third paragraphs:

Was The “Spanish Flu” Man-made?


By Henry Makow Ph.D.
In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA Interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made.
He was referring to the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 that infected 20% of the world’s population and killed between 60 and 100 million people. This is roughly 3 times as many as were killed and wounded in World War One, and is comparable to WWII losses, yet this modern plague has slipped down the memory hole. Mueller said the flu started as a US army bacteriological warfare weapon that somehow infected US army ranks at Camp Riley KS in March 1918, and spread around the world. He says that it “got out of control” but we cannot discount the horrible possibility that the “Spanish Flu” was a deliberate elite depopulation measure, and that it could be used again. Researchers have found connections between it and the current “Bird Flu.”
There was nothing “Spanish” about this flu. According to Wikipedia: “In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died. In Britain 200,000 died; in France more than 400,000. Entire villages perished in Alaska and southern Africa. In Australia an estimated 10,000 people died and in the FijiIslands, 14% of the population died during only two weeks, and in Western Samoa 22%. An estimated 17 million died in India, about 5% of India’s population at the time. In the Indian Army, almost 22% of troops who caught the disease died of it.”
[….]
At a 1944 Nazi bacteriological warfare conference in Berlin, General Walter Schreiber, Chief of the Medical Corps of the German Army told Mueller that he had spent two months in the US in 1927 conferring with his counterparts. They told him that the “so-called double blow virus” (i.e. Spanish Flu) was developed and used during the 1914 war. “But,” according to Mueller, “it got out of control and instead of killing the Germans who had surrendered by then, it turned back on you, and nearly everybody else.” (”Gestapo Chief: The 1948 CIA Interrogation of Heinrich Mueller” Vol. 2 by Gregory Douglas, p. 106) Actually the Armistice took place Aug 11, 1918.
[….]
Is Mueller credible? In my opinion he is. Gregory Douglas apparently is a pseudonym for his nephew with whom he left his papers. Normally a hoax would not run to thousands of pages. The Interrogation is 800 pages. The Memoirs are 250 pages. The microfilmed Archive apparently covers 850,000 pages. Finally, the material I have read is incredibly well informed, consistent and full of plausible revelations .
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:12 PM
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So now Mueller is telling us two separate things.

First the Americans accidently infected themselves during WWI and military usage is not necessarily implied.

Second the Americans infected German soldiers deliberately as an act of biological warfare but then ultimately the virus backfired on themselves along with the rest of the world.

But just a minute, both these scenarios cannot be correct at the same time.

And is 'Heinrich Mueller' the same as 'Heinrich Müller' the head of the Gestapo. I was sure Mueller was Dutch.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:08 PM
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So now Mueller is telling us two separate things.

First the Americans accidently infected themselves during WWI and military usage is not necessarily implied.

Second the Americans infected German soldiers deliberately as an act of biological warfare but then ultimately the virus backfired on themselves along with the rest of the world.

But just a minute, both these scenarios cannot be correct at the same time.

And is 'Heinrich Mueller' the same as 'Heinrich Müller' the head of the Gestapo. I was sure Mueller was Dutch.

I don"t see any real inconsistencies here.... Troops that were infected towards the end of the war were re-stationed back in the states in places like Fort Riley, Kansas. After an initial incubation period, the disease re-emerged in isolated areas at first, and then spread like wildfire, decimating populations around the world...

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