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Old 10-29-2009, 11:42 PM
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Mrs. Angel:

Your continuous, consistant use of vague, inexplicit terms such as "MASTERS," "SLAVES," "CONTROLLERS," and the omnipresent "THEY," and "THEM" serves your case very poorly - but only to the extent that you are able to make any sort of case at all... The use of such words begs an infinate number of questions: Who are these "CONTROLLERS" that you mention? Members of the supposed "Illuminatti"? Oil company executives? Members of the press? Marxists? Fascists....? Who are the "SLAVES?" The Proletariat? Second or third level corporate executives....? A higher degree of specificity would make your text much more intelligible and even readable...

Now to the issue of the Spanish Flu epidemic: The conceptualization and use of "germ warfare" goes all the way back to the Middle Ages. It was known by invading armies then, that by introducing (ie. hurling or catapulting) the corpses of plague-ridden animals or even humans over the walls of the fortresses of enemies, that the inhabitants of these complexes would quickly be consumed by plague and subsequently vanquished. So germ warfare has the rather dubious distinction of having its roots rather deeply entrenched in human history.

The histories of epidemiology (disease process) and immunology (vaccines) have roots going back over 200 years. The first vaccine (for smallpox) was developed by Jenner in 1789 using a lesser strain of the smallpox pathogen (cowpox). This was known to affect milkmaids and subsequently made them immune to the more virulent and deadly form of the disease (smallpox). The first vaccine for rabies was developed by Pasteur in 1885, utilizing a weakened strain of the rabies pathogen. This was to be followed in 1896 by vaccines for both cholera and diptheria, again utilizing weakened strains of both pathogens. So well before the development of the DNA model and the turn of the twentieth century, both epidemiology and immunology were firmly established in the world of science.

So then, that would lead to the initial question in the article by Dr. Makow, "Was the Spanish Flu Epidemic Man-Made?" One would have to look at this disease within the context of the times (circa WWI). The First World War saw the first introduction of various non-conventional weapons of mass incapacitation and death (ie. mustard gas, nerve agents, others) that were to be later banned by international treaty. One would think that the US Army would have had more than just a passing interest in these unconventional weapons at that time, including and especially germ warfare. The question of whether the science of 1918 was compatible with the development of such germ warfare agents, while debatable, seems much more likely than not.

In closing, I will direct you to an excerpt from a related article by Dr. Makow, concerning and possibly clarifiying the issue of Heinrich Mueller. Reference second, third paragraphs:

Was The “Spanish Flu” Man-made?


By Henry Makow Ph.D.
In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA Interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made.
He was referring to the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 that infected 20% of the world’s population and killed between 60 and 100 million people. This is roughly 3 times as many as were killed and wounded in World War One, and is comparable to WWII losses, yet this modern plague has slipped down the memory hole. Mueller said the flu started as a US army bacteriological warfare weapon that somehow infected US army ranks at Camp Riley KS in March 1918, and spread around the world. He says that it “got out of control” but we cannot discount the horrible possibility that the “Spanish Flu” was a deliberate elite depopulation measure, and that it could be used again. Researchers have found connections between it and the current “Bird Flu.”
There was nothing “Spanish” about this flu. According to Wikipedia: “In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died. In Britain 200,000 died; in France more than 400,000. Entire villages perished in Alaska and southern Africa. In Australia an estimated 10,000 people died and in the FijiIslands, 14% of the population died during only two weeks, and in Western Samoa 22%. An estimated 17 million died in India, about 5% of India’s population at the time. In the Indian Army, almost 22% of troops who caught the disease died of it.”
[….]
At a 1944 Nazi bacteriological warfare conference in Berlin, General Walter Schreiber, Chief of the Medical Corps of the German Army told Mueller that he had spent two months in the US in 1927 conferring with his counterparts. They told him that the “so-called double blow virus” (i.e. Spanish Flu) was developed and used during the 1914 war. “But,” according to Mueller, “it got out of control and instead of killing the Germans who had surrendered by then, it turned back on you, and nearly everybody else.” (”Gestapo Chief: The 1948 CIA Interrogation of Heinrich Mueller” Vol. 2 by Gregory Douglas, p. 106) Actually the Armistice took place Aug 11, 1918.
[….]
Is Mueller credible? In my opinion he is. Gregory Douglas apparently is a pseudonym for his nephew with whom he left his papers. Normally a hoax would not run to thousands of pages. The Interrogation is 800 pages. The Memoirs are 250 pages. The microfilmed Archive apparently covers 850,000 pages. Finally, the material I have read is incredibly well informed, consistent and full of plausible revelations .
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Dear Mr. Farenheit:

I did not use the word SLAVE and/or MASTER.

I used the word CONTROLLERS.

This word would apply to the BANKSTERS, wealthy elitists and many others.

Anyone who proposes to be "in the know" as to how the world operates and who operates it, should be aware of the CONTROLLERS and who they are.

Obviously, you are not "in the know."

From whom and where did Makow obtain the information about Muller that he writes about in the following article on his site and from whom did the author of the book about Muller's journal, whom Makow plugs in his article, receive his information?

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A two page reply is not necessary.

As I said, Muller was a teenager when the Spanish Flu hit, so, unless he worked in the laboratory where the Spanish Flu was supposedly manufactured, his knowledge is hearsay.

In what country do you propose the flu was manufactured?


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Old 10-30-2009, 12:51 PM
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Remember...they didnt need to "manufacture" small pox to use it against native Americans.
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:30 PM
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I don"t see any real inconsistencies here.... Troops that were infected towards the end of the war were re-stationed back in the states in places like Fort Riley, Kansas. After an initial incubation period, the disease re-emerged in isolated areas at first, and then spread like wildfire, decimating populations around the world...
But again Fahrenheit 912 you are missing an important point.

Why would a Nazi chief bother telling Americans what they would have known already? If the US deliberately used Spanish Flu against German soldiers the CIA would already have known this.

What was he trying to do, insult his interrogators?
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Old 10-30-2009, 03:21 PM
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But again Fahrenheit 912 you are missing an important point.

Why would a Nazi chief bother telling Americans what they would have known already? If the US deliberately used Spanish Flu against German soldiers the CIA would already have known this.

What was he trying to do, insult his interrogators?

The US Army has its own intelligence department, separate from the CIA. Although they usually coordinate their activities and share information, I can see why the US Army wouldn't necessarily want to admit to a blunder of this magnitude - even to a sister intelligence agency...
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Old 10-30-2009, 06:39 PM
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[quote=BlueAngel;62083]Dear Mr. Farenheit:

I did not use the word SLAVE and/or MASTER.

I used the word CONTROLLERS.

This word would apply to the BANKSTERS, wealthy elitists and many others.

Anyone who proposes to be "in the know" as to how the world operates and who operates it, should be aware of the CONTROLLERS and who they are.

Obviously, you are not "in the know."

From whom and where did Makow obtain the information about Muller that he writes about in the following article on his site and from whom did the author of the book about Muller's journal, whom Makow plugs in his article, receive his information?

savethemales.ca - Gestapo Chief Became Top Truman Advisor

A two page reply is not necessary.

As I said, Muller was a teenager when the Spanish Flu hit, so, unless he worked in the laboratory where the Spanish Flu was supposedly manufactured, his knowledge is hearsay.

In what country do you propose the flu was manufactured?[


The information you refer to was obtained from the US Archives under the Freedom of Information Act. The country involved in proliferating Spanish Influenza for military purposes appears to be the US, although we are relying on Mueller's testimony only. But then, why would such a scholarly man deliberately lie in memoirs of such importance and that were meant to be kept secret for a long time, at least until his death?

I have always been suspicious of the origins of Spanish Influenza, as the timeline of this catastrophic disease paralleled the ending of the First World War. You can automatically assume the US government and particularly the military will never come clean on this one....

Also, your use of trite, cliche' little expressions like "in the know" is the mark of a true half-wit. Enroll in a course in English composition at your local college. You'll be better off for it...

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This from the guy using the term "Banksters" lol.
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:50 PM
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This from the guy using the term "Banksters" lol.
The "guy" did not use the term Banksters.

I did.

I assumed you were aware that I am WOMAN.

For all others who are not "in the know."

BlueAngel is a female.
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Old 10-30-2009, 11:02 PM
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The "guy" did not use the term Banksters.

I did.

I assumed you were aware that I am WOMAN.

For all others who are not "in the know."

BlueAngel is a female.
Sooooooorrrrrry. lol The poster's inability to use the quote system threw me. Wrong attribution.
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Old 10-30-2009, 11:09 PM
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Fahrenheit 912 wrote:

The information you refer to was obtained from the US Archives under the Freedom of Information Act. The country involved in proliferating Spanish Influenza for military purposes appears to be the US, although we are relying on Mueller's testimony only. But then, why would such a scholarly man deliberately lie in memoirs of such importance and that were meant to be kept secret for a long time, at least until his death?

WE are not relying on Muller's testimony about the Spanish Flu and who manufactured it.

You are.

Please read my lips.

Muller was a teenager when the Spanish Flu appeared. So, he either worked in the laboratory in the US that created it when he was a teenager or someone informed him of such and he included this in his SECRET memoirs that were CONVENIENTLY released from the US archives under the Freedom or Information Act to propagate this belief or his memoirs are BS.

Please provide the name of the person who requested the information about Mueller from the US archives under the FOIA.

FYI, no one knows exactly when Muller died.

His whereabouts and death have been kept a secret for OBVIOUS reasons.

If this scholarly man's memoirs, as you refer to him, who was a GESTAPO, were of such IMPORTANCE and meant to be kept secret, why weren't they?


Fahrenheit 912 wrote:

I have always been suspicious of the origins of Spanish Influenza, as the timeline of this catastrophic disease paralleled the ending of the First World War. You can automatically assume the US government and particularly the military will never come clean on this one....

Thanks for informing me that the US military and the US government will never come clean on this one.

As if anyone expects the US Military or government to come clean regarding any criminal activity in which they are involved.

That would be akin to a KILLER admitting that he is a KILLER.

Again, if you were "in the know," you would NEVER expect that the US Military or government wold admit to any wrongdoing.

Thanks for proving my assessment as far as you are concerned.


Fahrenheit 912 wrote:

Also, your use of trite, cliche' little expressions like "in the know" are the marks of a true half-wit. Enroll in a course in English composition at your local college. You'll be better off for it...

The use of my expressions such as "in the know" ILLUMINATE that I am an INTELLECTUAL as does my English composition.

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Old 10-30-2009, 11:12 PM
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Sooooooorrrrrry. lol The poster's inability to use the quote system threw me. Wrong attribution.
Apology accepted.

Just don't let it happen again.

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