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Old 11-05-2009, 11:03 AM
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"Jewish agents" would be more accurate. The Russian Revolution should be named the "Jewish Revolution" considering how overrepresented Jews were in the upper echelons of the communist movement during the early decades.

Anyway, I doubt the "Spanish flu" pandemic was a biological weapon. It's more likely a natural outcome of the horrid conditions of intensive trench warfare.
The Germans did release him and send him back to Russia hoping that it would destabilize things there.

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The Germans did release him and send him back to Russia
I thought it were the Warburgs who sent him to Russia?

And where did Germans release him from? I did a quick search of Lenin's background but couldn't find any data on Lenin having been locked up in Germany....
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:10 PM
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You are sort right, I shouldnt have used the word released.
"In April 1917 Lenin and a party of 32 Russian revolutionaries, mostly Bolsheviks, journeyed by train from Switzerland across Germany through Sweden to Petrograd, Russia. They were on their way to join Leon Trotsky to "complete the revolution." Their trans-Germany transit was approved, facilitated, and financed by the German General Staff. Lenin's transit to Russia was part of a plan approved by the German Supreme Command, apparently not immediately known to the kaiser, to aid in the disintegration of the Russian army and so eliminate Russia from World War I. The possibility that the Bolsheviks might be turned against Germany and Europe did not occur to the German General Staff. Major General Hoffman has written, "We neither knew nor foresaw the danger to humanity from the consequences of this journey of the Bolsheviks to Russia."1 At the highest level the German political officer who approved Lenin's journey to Russia was Chancellor Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg, a descendant of the Frankfurt banking family Bethmann, which achieved great prosperity in the nineteenth century. Bethmann-Hollweg was appointed chancellor in 1909 and in November 1913 became the subject of the first vote of censure ever passed by the German Reichstag on a chancellor. It was Bethmann-Hollweg who in 1914 told the world that the German guarantee to Belgium was a mere "scrap of paper." Yet on other war matters such as the use of unrestricted submarine warfare Bethmann-Hollweg was ambivalent; in January 1917 he told the kaiser, "I can give Your Majesty neither my assent to the unrestricted submarine warfare nor my refusal." By 1917 Bethmann-Hollweg had lost the Reichstag's support and resigned but not before approving transit of Bolshevik revolutionaries to Russia. The transit instructions from Bethmann-Hollweg went through the state secretary Arthur Zimmermann who was immediately under Bethmann-Hollweg and who handled day-to-day operational details with the German ministers in both Bern and Copenhagen to the German minister to Bern in early April 1917. The kaiser himself was not aware of the revolutionary movement until after Lenin had passed into Russia."
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:56 PM
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"In April 1917 Lenin and a party of 32 Russian revolutionaries, mostly Bolsheviks, journeyed by train from Switzerland across Germany through Sweden to Petrograd, Russia. They were on their way to join Leon Trotsky to "complete the revolution." Their trans-Germany transit was approved, facilitated, and financed by the German General Staff. Lenin's transit to Russia was part of a plan approved by the German Supreme Command, apparently not immediately known to the kaiser
Hmmm.... I wonder who did make the approval if the kaiser was unaware? Any names, perhaps?

What is your source for the claim that Lenin's trip was approved, facilitated and financed by authorisation of German Supreme Command?

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The possibility that the Bolsheviks might be turned against Germany and Europe did not occur to the German General Staff.
Maybe the plan to assist Lenin did not come from people working in the best interest of Germany but people loyal to only their own people? There did seem to be some "court Jews" (as antisemites like to call them) drifting around in the slipstream of the Kaiser. As most Jews back then seemed to have been either Communist or Zionist it doesn't seem too farfetched that the plan was at least set in motion by the "court Jews" who were looking out for their own people without regard for the German people. I can't prove this either way, but this was, at least, what Hitler must have thought of this event.
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:29 PM
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As Remembrance Day is approaching I thought I would raise the following suggestion.

Perhaps we ought to remember those who lost their lives during the 1918 Flu Pandemic on Remembrance Day as well since their numbers at least match or are even greater than those who lost their lives in the actual fighting?

Does anyone else agree with this suggestion?
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Sounds like a great idea to me!
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Sounds like a great idea to me!
Does this mean EireEngineer that you agree that the victims of the 1918 Spanish Flu count as war dead?
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Does this mean EireEngineer that you agree that the victims of the 1918 Spanish Flu count as war dead?
No, but remembering them just the same sounds like a good idea. As I said, it is possible, if unproven, that it could have been a warfare agent.
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