So basically, this was a pointless issue to begin with.
I don't believe it is a pointless issue to begin with. It shows that A rothschild was killed. This means it has been done by a higher person, or a person longing for his power or etc and they succeeded. There is no evidence who that could be so then it could be anyone within illuminati related circles which includes vatican and royals. It is an indication that even rotschilds aren't untouchables perhaps.
The Rothschilds already had their own system of messengers and spies long before MI6 was founded. In fact, this is the very reason their 1815 scam actually worked.
Yes I know Mi6 came in 20th centurary but the brittish inteligence itselve predates rotshilds by a full centuary ( think even two). So did the jesuits. So if they detect a rising power on their radar either you take it out before it establishes itselve (machiaveli style) or you get in on your side. Since the Rotschilds where launched by the hessian prince who descends from brittish BTW, since a Rotschild member (forgot which one) was member of a lodge of the asiatic brethern (grandmaster was Karl Von Hesse) and his librarian (if I still remember correctly) stated that the Asiatic Brethern where a spin-off of the Bavarian Illuminati and since the Bavarian Illuminati could only succeed to key member of the Brunswick/Orange/Hesse line (philip egalité, Duke Ferdinand etc) and since the Illuminati made life miserable for the Brittish, Prussian biggest enemy FRANCE, I'd say they entire financial conpsiraracy was conceived by royalty and excecuted by orders, societies and jews. They where well within the royal circles from they first day, they thing I still like evidence of is them taking over the royals.
That's precisely the point. When no one cares, they can do pretty much everything they want behind the scenes. When the whole world is watching you, that's quite a bit more difficult.
No you don't understand or don't want to understand what I'm trying to say to you for a while know. First: if you are out the spotlight then indeed you can move more easy. You are absolutly right about that. But the royal family are rarely in the spotlights. Like a commenter on the brittish royalty said: "Be honest, no one really knows what goes on beyond the palace walls". They only show their faces once in a while. But if you are completly outside the spotlight you can be assasinated better. If a rothschild gets out of line they can check him with a bullet in the head no problem. On the other hand: if they need to check a royal how are they planning on just doing that? Treatning them? If one says no kill him? And if the rest says no kill them all? Star a revolution is the only option. And the only revolutions that have happened (with significance) are those that are outside the borders of Brunswick/Orange/Hesse terretorium. You see you can't just ignore that when a aspect of an interbreeding network of protestant royals launches a jewish family and that family supposedly takes over he most notably removes the enemy royals outside the network of interbreeding protestant royals.
Can you prove that the Rothschilds AREN'T in control of these particular organisations? I agree there may not be sufficient evidence for these particular organisations, but it's pretty obvious the run Western society as a whole.
I can't prove that not being one the inside. It's indeed obvious the Pilgrim Society, The 1001club, Le Cercle, Skull & Bones, Bilgerberg Group, Trilateral, CFR, Club of Rome etc etc are all machinations set up to run the world. While in most cases rotschilds are overwelmingly present, in some they appear to be irrelevant like SKull & Bones. I know of only one official freemason I guess probably some others but this organisation is firmly int he hands of the Brittish I believe. This is because of the changes Frederick the Great made to the structure of masonry. I believe it was an brittish ambassador in France wo wrote that Frederick had thereby acuired controll of all freemasonry in Europe. This is before the Rotschilds appeared ont he scene and I don't think this controll ever shifted outside the royal lines. So while there are definitly lots of elements out their that are linked to the Rotschilds, especcialy older elements of this conspiracy are prerotschild and the only think that still can connect them are the royals.
Integration happened because powerful Jews wanted an arristocratic title and the arristocracy was in a desperate need for money. Jewish bankers could provide the money and the arristocracy could provide the title. This could happen only because the arristocracy had become decadent and didn't realise the Jewish bankers were stealing their power and fortune right from underneath them.
I agree to a certain extent but I need further information on location and tiems an persons in reference.
I know. I just don't see where you're getting at.
Well I said it was strange to suggest that this bloodline stopped fighting for power. You said "well royals aren't fighting for power amongst each other for power now rite?" But this doesn't make sense since they all are part of the same family as the german Brunswick/hesse/orange lineage took over all of Europe praticicaly. The spannish king to the duke of luxembourg to the swedig royalty. All are comming fom the same german families.
Some suggest the Brusnwick/Hesse/Orange dynasty is actually Jewish of origin, however I'm not sure about the evidence for that. Still, I don't see how that makes a difference since royals today have little power both legally and behind the scenes.
You are never going to find evidence for that first there needs to be evidence that the biblical patriachs even excist how else can this be verified? How do they don't have any controll behind the scenes?
Pilgrim Society, The 1001club, Le Cercle, Skull & Bones, Bilgerberg Group, Trilateral, CFR, Club of Rome
Out of all these groups mentioned the royals are patrons or have founded the Pilgrim Society, 1001, Cercle (habsburg in this case) Bilderberg
The club of Rome is heavily connected with the Royal Institute for International Affairs who is also responsible for the infamous tavistock. Patroned by the Queen
This means that alteast they have the potentional of influencing pratically all of the Illuminati! How can you then say they have no power at all beyond the scene? On what is this statement base if I may ask because I don't understand it.
The mainstream view is that Templars were eradicated because they had become too powerful and thereby were a threat to both the French king and the Vatican. According to masonic history, some of the remaining Knights Templar fled to Scotland and infiltrated in movements that would develop into Freemasonry. Freemasons have been behind for the French Revolution and the American Revolution which together lead to the collapse of monarchism as a political power.
Oww I see now where you are getting it. Your argument is that freemasonry must be oppisite side because they casue revolutions against kings? Well I agree with the French Revolution. But the French king was not part of the 'network of interbeeding royals' that I am talking about. If anything he was their diehard enemy. The american revolution I unfortinaly can't talk about since I still need to do some research. I know already there have been great masonic influence but I need to research particarly if this was jacobite freemasonry, infiltrated etc. It's quite important and I don't know the fact so I'm not going to discuss but what do you have to say on the frensh templars protecting the frech king after their downfall. That shows atleast they still worked with royals. Plus the acknowledged heads according to Duke Brunswick where the Stuarts but they stopped caring appearently so Frederick II moved in.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild started the infamous dynasty by becoming the banker of Crown Prince Wilhelm of Hesse during the late 18th century, but it wasn't until the 1815 scam (that is definitely not a fabrication) that the British branch of the Rothschild gained the kind of power it has today.
I understand that thiswas definitly not a fabrication bu I'm saying all the earlier talk about him being such a genius stealing money this is just to discredit the rotschilds by anti-rotschild activists since I couldn't find evidence for that. So instead up untill then they where still under royal controll for sure. Plus I once read I think on wikipedia about accusation directed at on of the hanover kings that he knew of a crisis in the making forgot about it are your familiair with this?
First, the Rothschilds were just bankers for royals and the Vatican. In time, they became their masters.
Yeay this just isn't enough for me.
So what is the relationship between the Rothschild and the royals in your opinion and on what do you base this?
Well I personally would say that always the royals are on top, then the jewish backers/descendends of royals and nobility that are today jewish anyway. BUT isntead of a tied dictorial rule, its more like an alligience like a coallition.
I can't really go out and explain it I would have to right a book on this subject lol!!
Where's the evidence of Hitler's presence in England and his involvement in the Tavistock program? I've looked for it in the past but could never find any.
Do'n't know are you saying it isn't there? (I gather facts alot an can only partially check the sources and I'm doing this all on top of my head so please state clear if you say that such a book by his sister in law never existed)
Also, why would Nazi authors make such an effort to expose the "Illuminati" and their agenda if they were really a part of it? Even Alex Jones doesn't go nearly as far as Nazi authors like Giselher Wirsing or Anton Zischka.
NIce find I'm going to look it up but even if this was truth then still the entire thing was financed by the west. THey might have become hostile over the course of years but they surely didn't start has enemies.
As I said, I've looked for evidence in the past but could never find any. Feel free to provide me some sources I might have missed.
Wat for the financing of hitler? That I;m not going to present thats all over the web. For hitler being in england? I need to research that for my selve so if I come along the evidences that are typically cited I tell you.
Henry Ford was a supporter of Hitler who oposed the "Illuminati" just as much. Just because he happened to be rich, that doesn't make him part of the "Illuminati".
Read this he's quite a mystery but certainly not all out against illuminati
Henry Ford is often seen to be something of an enigma among the Wall Street elite. For many years in the 20s and 30s Ford was popularly known as an enemy of the financial establishment. Ford accused Morgan and others of using war and revolution as a road to profit and their influence in social systems as a means of personal advancement. By 1938 Henry Ford, in his public statements, had divided financiers into two classes: those who profited from war and used their influence to bring about war for profit, and the "constructive" financiers. Among the latter group he now included the House of Morgan. During a 1938 New York Times interview1 Ford averred that:
Somebody once said that sixty families have directed the destinies of the nation. It might well be said that if somebody would focus the spotlight on twenty-five persons who handle the nation's finances, the world's real war makers would be brought into bold relief.The Times reporter asked Ford how he equated this assessment with his long-standing criticism of the House of Morgan, to which Ford replied:
There is a constructive and a destructive Wall Street. The House of Morgan represents the constructive. I have known Mr. Morgan for many years. He backed and supported Thomas Edison, who was also my good friend ....
Both he, Morgan, Rockerfeller and Wharburgs where extremely important his Hitlers financing. Especcialy Morgan.
He needed them for the time being, until he had the chance to do without them.
I'm not familiar with the Bank of International Settlements and Youngs and greecelyes (?). Source?
Out of Greecelys own diary if I'm correct. Bankingrelationships continued trough the course of the war and everybody was cool with eachother.
My favorite Nazi authors on this topic are Giselher Wirsing and Anton Zischka. I own some of their publications, but I don't know if they were ever published in English.
OK I'm going to look this up. Whats your view of the Rudolph Hesse thing then? Was Hitler out of controll? Not following the plan anymore? Rudolph tried to do something?
As I said, Hitlerian philosophy was based on a Romanticist view on ancient Germanic culture (including Germanic paganism).
Himmler and his SS were quite a bit into Germanic occuly rituals, but Hitler was not interested in that sort of thing. In Mein Kampf, he supported the separation of state and church and showed no interest in the occult whatsoever.
So are you saying that hitler totaly didn't share these ideas at all? Damn long time ago my head was in the WW2 need to go back to refresh some shit.
Blavatsky's views have little in common with Hitler's. Blavatsky did write on race but her views are very different from Hitler's.
How are their vieews different? Blavasty thoutgh of the superaryan race.
The "Hitler greeting" arm sign was copied from Italian fascists who in turn copied it from the Romans.
I should write down my sources I believe I found it to be also being in use in brittain amongst certain circles.
It is true that some Arristocrats joined their enemy to be able to keep or increase their status. This includes the British monarchy.
I try to be as complete as possible, but I can't provide a source refence for every statement I make. That would be just too time-consuming.
Yeah I know
What potential enemy? Why would the British monarchy risk giving up everything they have in an attempt to overthrow a far more powerful adversary?
The removed the monarchy in some countries (like France or Germany) while they kept it in others. It really depends on the local culture and the obedience of these monarchs.
They ARE living the life of gods.
I doubt it. Running the worl is a lot of responsiblitiy. Even if you are sucking them dry its still a full time job I think with little to no rest.