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Old 11-22-2009, 02:10 PM
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Could those fibers I spotted be similar to the ones coming out of people's skin in the documentary "The Ultimate Chemtruth"?


I'll likely do some more darkfield analysis later on today.

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Old 11-22-2009, 04:19 PM
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Please explain exactly what the particles are.
Partially-burnt and unburnt hydrocarbon molecules and soot particles.
No combustion process is EVER complete when the oxidant gas (oxygen) is DILUTED 1:4 by a relatively inert gas (nitrogen).



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Why is the water per meter in a contrail 1000-10000 (there's some exact science) greater than the water vapor released by "typical" aircraft.
The atmosphere is INEXACT in that it doesn't conform to your ideas of what it should be. Being natural it is continuously variable.
Stratospheric layers are always found to be PROGRESSIVELY WARMER with increasing altitude away from the tropopause. Their humidity (and therefore their saturation with respect to ice) is somewhat variable along their length and particularly variable from layer to layer.
Hence the "chemtrails on - chemtrails off" myth.



The amount of water that can exist as vapor in a given volume is proportional to the temperature. When the amount of water vapor is in equilibrium above a flat surface of water the level of vapor pressure is called saturation and the relative humidity is 100%. At this equilibrium there are equal numbers of molecules evaporating from the water as there are condensing back into the water. If the relative humidity becomes greater than 100%, it is called supersaturated. Supersaturation occurs in the absence of condensation nuclei, for example the flat surface of water.
Since the saturation vapor pressure is proportional to temperature, cold air has a lower saturation point than warm air. The difference between these values is the basis for the formation of clouds. When saturated air cools, it can no longer contain the same amount of water vapor. If the conditions are right, the excess water will condense out of the air until the lower saturation point is reached. Another possibility is that the water stays in vapor form, even though it is beyond the saturation point, resulting in supersaturation.
Supersaturation of more than 1-2% relative to water is rarely seen in the atmosphere. For high levels of supersaturation there must be no condensation nuclei for the water vapor to condense on.
Supersaturation can also occur relative to ice. This is much more common in the atmosphere than supersaturation relative to water. Water droplets are able to maintain supersaturation relative to ice (remain as liquid water droplets and not freeze) because of the high surface tension of each microdroplet, which prevents them from expanding to form larger ice crystals. Without ice nuclei supercooled liquid water droplets can exist down to about −40 C (−40.0 F), at which point they will spontaneously freeze.

Cloud physics - Wikipedia

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What is the difference between typical and atypical aircraft?
The difference between THIS (TYPICAL):



and THIS (ATYPICAL):



The fractionally-lower combustion efficiency of the fighter aircraft (typically powered by long twin-spool turbojet engines with reheat, as opposed to the high bypass ratio turbofan engines of a modern passenger aircraft) leads to it producing a slightly less humid trail. This will lead to a slight reduction in trail density in most situations.
There are photos of an Airbus flying alongside a Boeing 707 showing the Airbus laying down a trail while the 707 does not.

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You just debunked yourself.
No. I just debunked THIS THREAD.

It's taken you a while to respond properly (in a very small way) to my first post. You have a long way to go...

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Old 11-22-2009, 04:57 PM
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How convenient of you to leave out PM2.5 (particulate matter, 2.5 nanometre).

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The operation of jet engines results in the release of HC, CO,
NOx, sulfur dioxide (SO2), and particulate matter.
...
Aerial deposition of particulates from jet exhaust may adversely
affect the environment, as well as human health.
...
Heavy metals associated
with these aerosols have been shown to adversely affect several
plant species (10) and some animals (11,12).
http://www.areco.org/pdf/Particulate...ngines1996.pdf

But you well know about the particulates, don't you. How honest of you (not) to include them in your fancy formulas.
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:12 PM
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Ask yourself one question. Why would anyone spend so much time ridiculing and discrediting those who believe in chemtrails? Surely a few "crazy conspiracy theorists" are no threat to their world. JazzRoc is either an obsessive-compulsive delusional or a paid shadow-government-affiliated troll. The only threat to him is the truth.
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:14 PM
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Ask yourself one question. Why would anyone spend so much time ridiculing and discrediting those who believe in chemtrails? Surely a few "crazy conspiracy theorists" are no threat to their world. JazzRoc is either an obsessive-compulsive delusional or a paid shadow-government-affiliated troll.
Well, we know the answer to that. It's both!

He keeps the thread alive, so he serves a purpose.
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Old 11-22-2009, 06:14 PM
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@ stomptrutherDuh

How convenient of you to leave out PM2.5 (particulate matter, 2.5 nanometre). But you well know about the particulates, don't you. How honest of you (not) to include them in your fancy formulas.
And what's that got to do with "Contrails cannot form into clouds (proof!)"?
Trace elements, even radioactive ones, are present in ALL fossil fuels.
You had better turn off your heating and sell your transportation and take to riding a bicycle and wearing thicker pullovers before you DIE of hypocrisy.
Haven't you noticed that the road outside is a source of greater danger?
The stuff seeping through the cracks in the doors and windows - the heated air from sub-floor gas heaters. Hell, you'd better buy a GASMASK.

Ask yourself one question. Why would anyone spend so much time ridiculing and discrediting those who believe in chemtrails? Surely a few "crazy conspiracy theorists" are no threat to their world. JazzRoc is either an obsessive-compulsive delusional or a paid shadow-government-affiliated troll. The only threat to him is the truth.
And what's that got to do with "Contrails cannot form into clouds (proof!)"?
From now on I shall use "H" to stand for the word "hypocrisy", because you make me have to type it all the time.
The western world has been subject to a dumbing-down process brought about by a right wing counter-revolution begun in the late sixties after a generally left-wing revolution which began in the mid-sixties. I know because I was there.
You are the product of it, I'm sorry I couldn't stop it, but here you are, and we have to deal with it. Even if you obtained a modest scholastic success by age eighteen, any educated Chinese person half your age will be superior to you in intellect.
You lack the means to handle truth. (Jack Nicholson springs to mind, suddenly.)

Well, we know the answer to that. It's both! He keeps the thread alive, so he serves a purpose.
And what's that got to do with "Contrails cannot form into clouds (proof!)"?
My purpose is to show you truth, and to show others how YOU fail to handle it. That's good enough for me. Thanks for helping.

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Old 11-22-2009, 06:23 PM
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Blah, blah, blah. This does nothing to explain segmented trails, trails starting and stopping, X patterns, grids, close parallel lines, etc. etc. as seen in hundreds of thousands of videos around the web.


JazzRoc will only convince a few gullible sheep. Hardly seems worth it.
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:39 AM
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They have completely cleared up any unresolved questions I've had as to whether or not chemtrails are harmful or not.
Are you having a bad day, BlueAngel? It seems you don't like what we're discussing here... I'm not sure if this is directed at me, stompk or JazzRoc... Should we create our own forum instead of writing here?

If a fraction of the evidence is true, yes, they are harmful. Chemtrails are said to most commonly contain aluminum, barium and microorganisms. Inhaling ANY particulate matter is not very good for you.

So what you want to do is:

1. Eat flax/fish oil to help your brain remove aluminum (it crosses the blood-brain barrier)

2. Eat potassium-rich foods or supplements, to detoxify barium

3. Eat garlic, take oil of oregano and/or ionic colloidal silver regularly.

Much of this is mentioned in the documentary "Aerosol Crimes" where a natural health doctor is interviewed at length. I highly recommend it.


...and of course practice other natural health solutions.
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:52 AM
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So you're still confused about whether chemtrails are harmful? Surely there is enough in this thread for you to make a decision? Or do you just come in every now and then and harass posters for fun? What questions do you have?
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Old 11-23-2009, 01:03 AM
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Well there was at least some undue sarcasm, you have to admit. :P I was hoping you could add something to the conversation here. It's always good to get more input. I'm convinced something is happening so I'm taking steps to protect myself from the most logical suspects. Not everyone is going to feel the same way. Enjoy the remainder of your day.
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