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Old 12-18-2009, 11:14 AM
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I would say one reason we do not do as you have suggested is because people will constantly change their minds regarding what they want to do with their lives, especially when they're children. Adults even change ideas on what they want to do. Therefore, school systems do not want to put out the money to teach specified and in-depth subjects to children that will change their mind the next year. I know, even once I was in college, I was still changing my mind regarding what I wanted to learn and become. While it makes sense to have them focus on what they really like and want to do, it would be quite expensive for the school systems to keep changing the curriculum every time a student changed his or her mind.

Yeah thats a fair point but what is it the current system is actually teaching people? Everything or Nothing? Like the original post said most of the stuff go's in one ear and out the other either because of information overload or lack of interest. That why teachers only teach whats on the tests, because theres not enough time to teach a whole subject.

Yes people will change their minds and want to try something new, but i think the majority of people would stick to something they enjoy. Especialy if say from the age of 14 you couple it wth work based experience cutting the ammount of time teachers are needed.

As for expense If you divide the secondry schools up in to variouse groups ie. Mathmatics and sciences. then have specialised departments within those schools. I dont think the cost would be a lot more than our current system. Any additional costs would also be out wayed by lower unemployment and less kids leaving school with nothing at all, both economicaly and socialy. It would be a great benifit. hyperthetically speaking of course. lol

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Old 12-19-2009, 11:45 AM
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Oh, I definitely like the way t looks, in your idea. I wish I could have had schooling just like that. I agree all too often they teach what really isn't necessary or something that is truly uninteresting to a person, and, as a result, causes that person to either fail or just barely pass that course because of teh disinterest in it. As an example, during my elementary and secondary education, I took American history for five freaking years straight. This wasn't because I failed or anything like that. It was the way they had the curriculum arranged from 4th until 9th grade. IT SUCKED!!! I hate history, as a result. I love world history, culture, geography, etc., but I detest American history. I know it, but I don't give a damn anymore and it just won't come out when I want at times. I know many kids that experience that feeling with many different subjects. If we could make subjects more interesting, though, I don't think it'd be as much of a problem. In my freshman year of high school, once again taking American history, I actually aced that class because the instructor made class interesting instead of boring. When I tutored mathematics at college, I related the subject to everyday life. I made it more understandable by creating situations where math would be necessary in everyday life. It was wonderful seeing those light bulbs go off in their heads, having finally understood some difficult part of mathematics. Unfortunately, most teachers have become disinterested in the subjects they teach, which winds up leaking out to their students. *shakes head* We have too large of a teacher/student ratio in classrooms. We have too many expecting students to be passed on to the next grade, even though they have failed the class grade-wise, just because that student either has a disability or had "difficulties" in life that gave an excuse to not pass. Teachers don't want to rock the boat and actually do as is expected, teaching and either failing or passing each student as their work deems necessary. Now, I can see a bunch of people hollering at me for my comment on disabled students. I am not saying all disabled students should not be allowed to pass on further until they know the subject as regular students do, but I am saying they need to focus more on teaching than what they do with the disabled students. Anymore, it's like it's an acceptable practice to keep our disabled students "dumb." I understand instilling in these children that they should be able to accept themselves as they are, just as others should with them. Unfortunately, it seems they have taken that one step further, though, and do not feel the need to push those students to learn at maximum capacity.

What is my final word on this subject? The educational system, as a whole, has become extremely lazy.



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Yeah thats a fair point but what is it the current system is actually teaching people? Everything or Nothing? Like the original post said most of the stuff go's in one ear and out the other either because of information overload or lack of interest. That why teachers only teach whats on the tests, because theres not enough time to teach a whole subject.

Yes people will change their minds and want to try something new, but i think the majority of people would stick to something they enjoy. Especialy if say from the age of 14 you couple it wth work based experience cutting the ammount of time teachers are needed.

As for expense If you divide the secondry schools up in to variouse groups ie. Mathmatics and sciences. then have specialised departments within those schools. I dont think the cost would be a lot more than our current system. Any additional costs would also be out wayed by lower unemployment and less kids leaving school with nothing at all, both economicaly and socialy. It would be a great benifit. hyperthetically speaking of course. lol
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:50 PM
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Yeah i hear you vera

It seems like doing things the easy way rather than the right way is now deep seeded in many government bodies. Not just the Education system.
Once again quantity beats quality, but this will ultimately have a knock on effect in the future when people cant even be bothered to teach any more because of experiences they had at school.

Lets just call it another loose thread in the fabric of society. All will be unraveled in the end.
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Old 12-22-2009, 11:07 AM
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No doubt, and it really irritates me. I value a good education. I have stressed it in all of my children. All but one seems to love school, as a result. Unfortunately, though, without some force in the background, such as a parent, pushing good education and being a strong part in that part of a child's life, I do not forsee many children having a good opinion of school. They won't want to learn. All they will want to do is what many parents seem to push their children towards nowadays, which is television and video games. These are easy babysitters. Their children stay out of their way, if they have these available for their children. *shakes head* I guess I'm just a bit old-fashioned. I have always felt the best way to instill good practices in a child is by example. My boys know the routine with me. Come home from school and do schoolwork. If they have any questions, they know I will be more than willing to help them with their schoolwork. When they are done, I verify it. Then, they must go outside for at least an hour to play. I do not agree with video games, computers, or television as being a main part of a child's life. My boys know video games and computers (except for work that must be done on a computer for school) are weekend events, and definitely are not all-day events. Television, they can watch daily, but I make damn sure what they watch are programs of which I have approved for them to watch. I'm very much a part of what my children do. How else will we really know how they're doing in school, if we don't take an active role in their learning? As we already discussed, teachers are starting to become lazy and that will trickle down to our children, if we do not keep them going ourselves. This nation's attitude of "We are the almighty U.S. of A." is going to bite us all in the ass here soon. It's like many in society believe because we are Americans we don't need to do what most people should do in their lives...learn, work, pay bills, etc. *sighs*



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Yeah i hear you vera

It seems like doing things the easy way rather than the right way is now deep seeded in many government bodies. Not just the Education system.
Once again quantity beats quality, but this will ultimately have a knock on effect in the future when people cant even be bothered to teach any more because of experiences they had at school.

Lets just call it another loose thread in the fabric of society. All will be unraveled in the end.
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Old 02-13-2010, 02:27 PM
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The school system has never been about learning IMO.

It has always been about "working" us into society.

The school system and the work-a-day world is not the society we are worked
into by the schooling. Supposedly thought so prior to nowadays.

The society we are worked into is the society of one another. The established world around us, where we are (oul local area). This is all seen over by a hidden hand, above and beyond us, in here we are.

Our lives have already been decided BEFORE we are even aware of anything.
We live out our lives to the end of this lifetime, like they want.

Some of us will be free of them by the end of this lifetime. We don't get that
way by our own efforts though. "They" want us to see it like it's by our own
efforts but it's not. "They" are all over us, through and through. Past. Present
and Future. We will not likely be free of "them" anytime soon.

The "outcasts" of society are put out by "them".
"They" want us to see it's because of ourselves and people around us.
It's not. "They" are in complete control.
Not everybody "knows" this or will know it. Not everybody will believe it or
disbelieve it. The outcasts are paranoid, schizophrenic even megalomanian.
We don't get it from "ourselves". They turn us out that way, purposefully.
The known world around says it's all in our head.
I don't even have such "imagination" in myself.
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Old 02-15-2010, 02:54 PM
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About 5 months ago I finnished doing my GCSE exams. In the too years it took, I realised how ridiculous the whole system is. In many subjects the teachers only taught what was needed to passes the tests. The stupid thing was that whenever an exam was coming up we just kept craming the ciriculum into our head, passed the exam and then forgot everything. I myself can't remember hardly anything we learnt for maths or science. This then poses the question of whether passing exams is about intelligence or about memory.
my god
here they complain they cant remember what they learn
and when i went to school 1950-1960 we dident have enought to learn
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