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Old 09-08-2008, 04:34 AM
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Sheesh man...no there's not! The public knows more about the Illuminati these days than the Illuminati knows about themselves! We have to tell them who they are. Their like sitting there reading things about themselves saying, "Damn, I didn't know that!"

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Old 01-29-2009, 01:21 PM
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African Muslims actively hunted down, captured and sold other Africans to the slave traders. They captured predominantly animist peoples, but they also captured other Muslim's and sold them into slavery.

The Muslim countries in Africa and in the Middle East maintained active slavery well into the 20th century. They were still capturing black slaves as late as the 1950's.

The fact that a few, a very few Jews might have owned slave ships is meaningless. The majority of nthose slave ships were owned by pious Christians, but that does not make Christianity responsible for the slave trade.

ALL of the people involved with the slave trade were evil. No exceptions in that. But you can not overlook the simple fact that most of the African slave traders were Muslims, who had no compunctions at all about caputring humand beings and selling them into slavery.

If you want to damn all of the people involved, fine. But don't try to "expose' one tiny part of them, and balme all of the evils on them.

You are just being anti-semetic, and trying to tar an entire people with you brush of hatred.
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Old 01-29-2009, 01:29 PM
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You are just another Jew hater, trying your best to tar an entire people by the actions of a few. And taking a few passages from a book, completely out of context, will not help your case.

The actuality is that the vast majority of the owners of the Slave ships were CHRISTIANS. So, does that cause you to blame ALL Christians for those actions? Tose slave ship owners came from Great Britian, Canada, the United States, Holland, France, Spain, etc. Does that cause you to attack those ethnic groups?

The majority of the people that actually caught the blacks in Africa, and sold them to the slave traders were Muslims. Does that cause you to blame the Muslims for the slave trade?

How about the fact that well into the 20th century, several Muslim countries still maintained a trade in black slaves. Does that change your point of view? That they were still capturing animist black people in Africa and forcing them to become slaves?

You are just another anti-semite, trying your best to run down the Jews.

By the way, I am NOT a Jew, but I would be proud if I were one.
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Old 01-29-2009, 10:36 PM
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You are just another Jew hater, trying your best to tar an entire people by the actions of a few. And taking a few passages from a book, completely out of context, will not help your case.

The actuality is that the vast majority of the owners of the Slave ships were CHRISTIANS. So, does that cause you to blame ALL Christians for those actions? Tose slave ship owners came from Great Britian, Canada, the United States, Holland, France, Spain, etc. Does that cause you to attack those ethnic groups?

The majority of the people that actually caught the blacks in Africa, and sold them to the slave traders were Muslims. Does that cause you to blame the Muslims for the slave trade?

How about the fact that well into the 20th century, several Muslim countries still maintained a trade in black slaves. Does that change your point of view? That they were still capturing animist black people in Africa and forcing them to become slaves?

You are just another anti-semite, trying your best to run down the Jews.

By the way, I am NOT a Jew, but I would be proud if I were one.
The thread says, "Jewish involvment."

It doesn't say that every single JEW was involved.
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Old 01-30-2009, 01:54 PM
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The thrust of your entire article was to make it appear that Jews were the mover and shakers behind the slave trade. That simply is not true, and you know it. It's just another of your anti-Jewish diatribes.

Too bad you are so filled with hate.
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The thrust of your entire article was to make it appear that Jews were the mover and shakers behind the slave trade. That simply is not true, and you know it. It's just another of your anti-Jewish diatribes.

Too bad you are so filled with hate.
You need to address your comment to the appropriate poster, as I'm not the author of this thread.
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Old 02-06-2009, 10:55 AM
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No Blue, you didn't start the topic. BUT, you chose to defend the position of the author, didn't you? And the author was trying very hard to blame the Jews for the slave trade, as if they were the ones behind it all.

And once again, it is simply not necessary to always quote the entire note of the person you are arguing with. It is a waste of space, it clogs up the boards, and it makes you look silly.
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The thrust of your entire article was to make it appear that Jews were the mover and shakers behind the slave trade.
Obviously there wouldn't have been any slave trade without the demand from gentile plantation owners and the supply from Arab or negro sellers, but that doesn't change the fact that Jews have historically been the main proponents of human trafficking. Your denial doesn't make this any less true.

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That simply is not true, and you know it. It's just another of your anti-Jewish diatribes.

Too bad you are so filled with hate.
Ever since 1945, "hate" has become such a loaded Orwellian term it's pretty much irrelevant. Oposing Jewish culture doesn't mean you hate all Jews. Oposing multi-culturalism doesn't mean you hate all people of other races. Maybe you hate everyone you don't agree with you or who doesn't belong to your people, but most people don't (including those commonly accused of "antisemitism" or "racism").

If accepting reality makes me an antisemite in your eyes, then so be it. I don't hate Jews. I treat a Jew no worse than a gentile. I just opose the influence of Jewish culture on gentile society, much like Jews oposed the influence Hitler had on Jewish society.... and it cannot be denied that Jewish influence on gentile society (especially in the West) has become dominant. A good indication of Jewish influence is the amount of money and time spent on "Holocaust education" and the pro-Israel bias ofthe media.
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Jewish Involvement In
Black Slave Trade
To The Americas

By Rabbi Marc Lee Raphael
2-24-6

The following passages are from Dr. Raphael's book Jews and Judaism in the United States: A Documentary History (New York: Behrman House, Inc., Pub, 1983), pp. 14, 23-25.

"Jews also took an active part in the Dutch colonial slave trade; indeed, the bylaws of the Recife and Mauricia congregations (1648) included an imposta (Jewish tax) of five soldos for each Negro slave a Brazilian Jew purchased from the West Indies Company. Slave auctions were postponed if they fell on a Jewish holiday. In Curacao in the seventeenth century, as well as in the British colonies of Barbados and Jamaica in the eighteenth century, Jewish merchants played a major role in the slave trade. In fact, in all the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, Jewish merchants frequently dominated.

"This was no less true on the North American mainland, where during the eighteenth century Jews participated in the 'triangular trade' that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa. Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750's, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760's, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760's and early 1770's dominated Jewish slave trading on the American continent."

Dr. Raphael discusses the central role of the Jews in the New World commerce and the African slave trade (pp. 23-25):

SEVENTEENTH AND EIGHTEENTH CENTURIES JEWISH INTER-ISLAND TRADE: CURACAO, 1656

During the sixteenth century, exiled from their Spanish homeland and hard-pressed to escape the clutches of the Inquisition, Spanish and Portuguese Jews fled to the Netherlands; the Dutch enthusiastically welcomed these talented, skilled husinessmen.

While thriving in Amsterdam - where they became the hub of a unique urban Jewish universe and attained status that anticipated Jewish emancipation in the West by over a century - they began in the 1500's and 1600's to establish themselves in the Dutch and English colonies in the New World. These included Curacao, Surinam, Recife, and New Amsterdam (Dutch) as well as Barbados, Jamaica, Newport, and Savannah (English).

In these European outposts the Jews, with their years of mercantile experience and networks of friends and family providing market reports of great use, played a significant role in the merchant capitalism, commercial revolution, and territorial expansion that developed the New World and established the colonial economies. The Jewish-Caribbean nexus provided Jews with the opportunity to claim a disproportionate influence in seventeenth and eighteenth century New World commerce, and enabled West Indian Jewry-far outnumbering its coreligionists further north-to enjoy a centrality which North American Jewry would not achieve for a long time to come.

Groups of Jews began to arrive in Surinam in the middle of the seven-teenth century, after the Portuguese regained control of northern Brazil. By 1694, twenty-seven years after the British had surrendered Surinam to the Dutch, there were about 100 Jewish families and fifty single Jews there, or about 570 persons. They possessed more than forty estates and 9,000 slaves, contributed 25,905 pounds of sugar as a gift for the building of a hospital, and carried on an active trade with Newport and other colonial ports. By 1730, Jews owned 115 plantations and were a large part of a sugar export business which sent out 21,680,000 pounds of sugar to European and New World markets in 1730 alone.

Slave trading was a major feature of Jewish economic life in Surinam which as a major stopping-off point in the triangular trade. Both North American and Caribbean Jews played a key role in this commerce: records of a slave sale in 1707 reveal that the ten largest Jewish purchasers (10,400 guilders) spent more than 25 percent of the total funds (38,605 guilders) exchanged.

Jewish economic life in the Dutch West Indies, as in the North American colonies, consisted primarily of mercantile communities, with large inequities in the distribution of wealth. Most Jews were shopkeepers, middlemen, or petty merchants who received encouragement and support from Dutch authorities. In Curacao, for example, Jewish communal life began after the Portuguese victory in 1654.

In 1656, the community founded a congregation, and in the early 1670's brought its first rabbi to the island. Curacao, with its large natural harbor, was the steppng-stone to the other Caribbean islands and thus ideally suited geographically for commerce.

The Jews were the recipients of favorable charters containing generous economic privileges granted by the Dutch West Indies Company in Amsterdam. The economic life of the Jewish community of Curacao revolved around ownership of sugar plantations and marketing of sugar, the importing of manufactured goods, and a heavy involvement in the slave trade, within a decade of their arrival, Jews owned 80 percent of the Curacao plantations. The strength of the Jewish trade lay in connections in Western Europe as well as ownership of the ships used in commerce. While Jews carried on an active trade with French and English colonies in the Caribbean, their principal market was the Spanish Main (today Venezuela and Colombia).

Extant tax lists give us a glimpse of their dominance. Of the eighteen wealthiest Jews in the 1702 and 1707 tax lists, nine either owned a ship or had at least a share in a vessel. By 1721 a letter to the Amsterdam Jewish community claimed that "nearly all the navigation...was in the hands of the Jews."' Yet another indication of the economic success of Curacao's Jews is the fact that in 1707 the island's 377 residents were assessed by the Governor and his Council a total of 4,002 pesos; 104 Jews, or 27.6 percent of the taxpayers, contributed 1,380 pesos, or 34.5 percent of the entire amount assessed.

In the British West Indies, two 1680 tax lists survive, both from Barbados; they, too, provide useful information about Jewish economic life. In Bridgetown itself, out of a total of 404 households, 54 households or 300 persons were Jewish, 240 of them living in "ye Towne of S. Michael ye Bridge Town." Contrary to most impressions, "many, indeed, most of them, were very poor." There were only a few planters, and most Jews were not naturalized or endenizened (and thus could not import goods or pursue debtors in court). But for merchants holding letters of endenization, opportunities were not lacking. Barbados sugar-and its by-products rum and molasses-were in great demand, and in addition to playing a role in its export, Jewish merchants were active in the import trade.

Forty-five Jewish households were taxed in Barbados in 1680, and more than half of them contributed only 11.7 percent of the total sum raised. While the richest five gave almost half the Jewish total, they were but 11.1 percent of the taxable population. The tax list of 1679-80 shows a similar picture; of fifty-one householders, nineteen (37.2 percent) gave less than one-tenth of the total, while the four richest merchants gave almost one-third of the total.

An interesting record of interisland trade involving a Jewish merchant and the islands of Barbados and Curacao comes from correspondence of 1656. It reminds us that sometimes the commercial trips were not well planned and that Jewish captains - who frequently acted as commercial agents as well - would decide where to sell their cargo, at what price, and what goods to bring back on the return trip.

(End of excerpt)


Tony Martin is African studies professor at Wellesley College and has taught at Wellesley College, Massachusetts since 1973. He was tenured in 1975 and has been a full professor of African Studies since 1979. Prior to coming to Wellesley he taught at the University of Michigan-Flint, the Cipriani Labour College (Trinidad) and St. Mary's College (Trinidad). He has been a visiting professor at the University of Minnesota, Brandeis University, Brown University and The Colorado College. He also spent a year as an honorary research fellow at the University of the West Indies, Trinidad.

Professor Martin has authored or compiled or edited eleven books, including Literary Garveyism: Garvey, Black Arts and the Harlem Renaissance, and the classic study of the Garvey Movement, Race First: the Ideological and Organizational Struggles of Marcus Garvey and the Universal Negro Improvement Association.. His most recent book is The Jewish Onslaught: Despatches from the Wellesley Battlefront. Martin qualified as a barrister-at-law at the Honourable Society of Gray's Inn (London) in 1965, did a B. Sc. honours degree in economics at the University of Hull (England) and the M.A. and Ph.D. in history at Michigan State University.

Martin's articles and reviews have appeared in the Journal of Negro History, American Historical Review, African Studies Review, Washington Post Book World, Journal of Caribbean History, Journal of American History, Black Books Bulletin, Science and Society, Jamaica Journal and many other places. His work is to be found in several anthologies and encyclopedias. He has received a number of academic and community awards.

Martin is well known as a lecturer in many countries. He has spoken to university and general audiences all over the United States, Canada, the Caribbean and England, and also in Africa, Australia, Bermuda and South America. In 1990 he delivered the annual DuBois/Padmore/Nkrumah lectures in Ghana.

Professor Martin is currently working on biographies of three Caribbean women - Amy Ashwood Garvey, Audrey Jeffers and Trinidad's Kathleen Davis ("Auntie Kay"). He is also nearing completion of a study of European Jewish immigration into Trinidad in the 1930s.


The Jewish Onslaught
Despatches From The Wellesley Battlefront
By Tony Martin

"...a polemic of the highest order... the best example of an African answering critics since David Walker's Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World." - Molefi Asante, Journal Of Black Studies

"Professor Martin at long last deals with the Henry Gates/Cornel West attacks on Afrocentricity.... Martin provides a solid analysis of the historical use of Blacks by whites to discredit original Black thought deemed unacceptable by non-Blacks....

"I compare The Jewish Onslaught to the classic third chapter of DuBois' The Souls of Black Folk entitled 'Of Mr. Booker T. Washington and Others....' Martin has written a book that years from now will be considered a classic.... It is simply a must reading on a controversial subject that needs greater airing than some of the more timid political attempts of recent years." - Raymond Winbush, The Voice Of Black Studies

" Tony Martin has been forced to delve into the relationship between the Jews and Blacks and in the process, he has distilled a work that is informative, fascinating and one which will heighten the consciousness of Black people everywhere." - Carl Wint, The Sunday Gleaner

#1 Bestseller
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Best Book Of The Year
(Black Literary Awards, 1994)
1993. vii+137pp. ISBN 0-912469-30-7.

Subject: Who owned the slaving ships?



Name Of Slave Ships And Their Owners:

The 'Abigail-Caracoa' - Aaron Lopez, Moses Levy, Jacob Crown
Isaac Levy and Nathan Simpson

The'Nassau' - Moses Levy

The 'Four Sisters' - Moses Levy

The 'Anne' & The 'Eliza' - Justus Bosch and John Abrams

The 'Prudent Betty' - Henry Cruger and Jacob Phoenix

The 'Hester' - Mordecai and David Gomez

The 'Elizabeth' - Mordecai and David Gomez

The 'Antigua' - Nathan Marston and Abram Lyell

The 'Betsy' - Wm. De Woolf

The 'Polly' - James De Woolf

The 'White Horse' - Jan de Sweevts

The 'Expedition' - John and Jacob Roosevelt

The 'Charlotte' - Moses and Sam Levy and Jacob Franks

The 'Franks' - Moses and Sam Levy


A video, "The Jewish Role in the Black Slave Trade," a speech by Prof. Tony Martin with an introduction by Hoffman, remains online at Google, as of this writing. Viewers who wish to see it before it, too is censored by Google, can access it here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...39175602962781

Is this a prelude to some demented anti-Semetic ravings? I sure hope not. Jewish people are the Chosen People and I KNOW you don't have arms long enough to box God.
Everyone has tried to exterminate the Jews and they failed..ANYONE who tried to hurt God's people can expect a divine Godsmack Down that will smash you flat like a bug.
Soo..my advice is WATCH yourself. If God's angel assasinated the firstborn of Egypt for treating His people bad, don't be suprised if lightning strikes twice. People that try to harm the Jewish people often end up strangely, well DEAD.
Read your scriptures in the Old Testament/Tanahk, and see for yourself.
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