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Old 01-06-2010, 07:47 PM
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Do you really need me to explain this to you? Say the actual, absolute rate of something is 1 in 150. However, because it is not well understood the rate at which it is recognized is 1 in 300. The "perceived rate" would be 1 in 300, while the absolute is still 1 in 150. If it suddenly gets recognized better due to improvements in diagnoses, the "perceived rate" may increase to 1 in 200. Does this mean that the rate has increased? No. It is still 1 in 150, but the perception will be that it increased. Is that so hard?

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Old 01-06-2010, 11:48 PM
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Good. I'm glad, but it begs the question why you posted like you didn't understand it....anyway....

Autism 'Clusters' Linked To Parents' Education

by Jon Hamilton


January 6, 2010 Clusters of children diagnosed with autism tend to occur in places where parents are older, more educated, and white, according to a study by researchers at the University of California, Davis.
The study found no link to local pollution or chemical exposures which some consumer groups have cited as possible causes of autism clusters.
The results suggest that areas in California with apparently high rates of autism spectrum disorders are probably just places where parents are more likely to obtain a diagnosis for their child, the researchers say.
"It doesn't necessarily mean that higher education causes autism," says Irva Hertz-Picciotto, one of the study's authors and a researcher at the UC Davis MIND Institute. "It gets you the diagnosis more frequently."
Enlarge 2010 UC RegentsAutism "cluster" found in North Los Angeles County. Autism rates here were roughly double that of surrounding areas.


2010 UC RegentsAutism "cluster" found in North Los Angeles County. Autism rates here were roughly double that of surrounding areas.


The UC Davis study looked at the geographic distribution of about 10,000 children who were born in California from 1996 through 2000 and later diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder.
A cluster was defined as a community in which the proportion of children diagnosed with autism was at least 70 percent higher than in surrounding areas.
The study found that differences in parents' age, education and ethnicity explained the cluster most of the time.
Higher Education, More Diagnosis
It doesn't necessarily mean that higher education causes autism. It gets you the diagnosis more frequently.

- Irva Hertz-Picciotto

For example, it found that children of parents who finished college were at least four times more likely to be diagnosed than children of parents who didn't finish high school.
Children were also more likely to be diagnosed if they were born in a community near a regional service center for people with autism.
Hispanic parents were underrepresented in all 10 of the clusters, according to the study. That could be because some parents are reluctant to seek help from a state agency if they have a member of the family who is undocumented, Hertz-Picciotto says.
No Evidence Of Environmental Risk
The study may be most interesting because it did not find any environmental explanation for higher autism rates, says Steven Novella, a neurologist at Yale University.
"You can't prove a negative," Novella says. But the results of this and other studies suggest that "if there are environmental factors, they're small," he says.
The California results also show how widely autism diagnosis rates can vary from place to place, Novella says. In some areas of the state, children were four times as likely to be diagnosed as in other areas.
That suggests that in many areas there are still a huge number of children with autism spectrum disorders who are slipping through the cracks, Novella says.
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Why? Because they support my assertions, or because they negate yours? Or do you just not understand them?
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You were trying to assert a causal link between mercury and ADHD and autism, and that the jury is still out on Thimerisol, which it is not.
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Cherry picking info from the anti vacs crowd and mis-interpreting the real reason for increases in Autism diagnoses is hardly a valid rebuttal. How come Autism rates DIDNT go down after Thimerisol was removed? MMM???
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It's a VERY valid rebuttal.

That's why it took you sooooo looooong to respond.

Previously, you said that Autism wasn't increasing due to the removal of Thimerosal from vaccines, but now you are saying that there is a REAL REASON for the increase in Autism.

So, what is the real reason?

According to you, Autism is decreasing and increasing.

You sound confused.

BTW, the correct spelling is Thimerosal and not Thimerisol.
So sorry, but some of us have more things to do in life besides soaking up every piece of internet drivel the way you seem to do.

I have explained it several times, and yet you still cant seem to get it through your head, so I will try one more time.

Given all of the evidence it is quite clear that the reason for the seeming increase in Autism diagnoses is not due to an actual, absolute increase in cases. Rather it is an artifact of a broadening of the definition of Autism and a lessening of the stigma for parents getting a diagnosis. Autism spectrum disorders now include Asbergers and Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified, and the numbers are all lumped together under the overall umbrella definition of Autism. Also, parents are far more likely to have their children diagnosed now than at any other time in the past because there are effective treatments for some of the issues autistic people face, and there is far less of a stigma.
This is why a recent British study (which I posted here, not that it made any sense to you. Sad.) found that by applying modern diagnostic standards to individuals in their thirties, forties, fifties, and sixties, there was no noticeable increase in rates as a percentage of population. This means that the rate of Autism was the same forty years ago as it is today, it just was not being properly diagnosed. So while the rate of diagnosis may seem to have increased over the last decade, it is fairly clear that the actual rate of autism has remained largely flat for at least three decades. Remember that for a case to be counted in the statistics, it first must be recognized and identified by a medical professional. Something we are much better at these days.

There have been intensive studies of Autistic children looking for environmental causes. Even your dreaded mercury has been looked at. Several studies have compared the mercury levels in autistic children as compared to their parents and other siblings (who presumably would share the same background exposure) and they have found no causal relationship between mercury and autism, though it isnt 100% ruled out. Certainly Thimerosal has nothing to do with it. Thanks to the anti-vaccine movement it was removed from childhood schedule vaccines. This was not due to any findings that Thimerosal was harmful in any way. In fact many studies were done looking at it as a possibility, but none came up with any causation or even correlation with autism. Still, it was decided that with the Jenny McCarthys sewing doubt about it, it would be better to remove it from the vaccines rather than having a large number of people skip them over the controversy. Rather silly anyway, since the dose of mercury contained in the entire vaccine schedule is about 1/12th what you would get from one can of tuna.

Does that clear it up for you?
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In other words, you still dont understand it. Maybe the Harrison Bergeron buzzing in your ear is having an effect.
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Glad to see your definition of drivel is well formed, logical arguments. Talk about living in bizaro world. Did you have any specific questions?
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It has not been proven as a FACT that AUTISM is not caused by vaccines or Thimerisol.

Therefore, this is your opinion and, again, your opinion is not FACT.

There are plenty of people, celebrities and not, who are the parent's of autistic children and not who would disagree with you.

The cause of autism has not been proven or dis-proven to be the result of vaccinations.

In that regard, you cannot state that "WE" know for a fact that autism is not caused by vaccinations or Thimerosal.

Who is the "WE" to whom you refer as knowing for a fact that autism is not caused by vaccinations?
Sorry I've only scan read this thread to this post so far.

First point, this guy eire engineer - why was he banned? Just curious

Second point, the "WE" you are asking about blueangel would include the likes of the BMA. Who are the BMA? The British Medical Association. They believe the link between vaccine and autism to be bogus, so much so that currently the Dr. that made the tenuous link years ago in up in front of them to prove he didn't make up/lie about the data used in his paper. He will more than likely lose his licence to practice medicine in the UK.

I'm not saying I know what causes autism but IT IS a well known fact that vaccines DO NOT cause it. It is late and I'm about to go to bed so if you wanna debate this tomorrow then I will give a full post with credible sources included!
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Wow there blueangel, I was just curious!
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