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Old 06-23-2009, 09:54 PM
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Is this a compliment?

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Old 10-14-2009, 07:55 PM
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zeitgeist IS the true answer

the whole problem with society is money, a resourced based economy would bring almost utter utopia to this planet. The technology and science is here for powering the planet COMPLETELY FREE, FOOD= PLENTIFUL AND FREE, HOUSING=PLENTIFUL AND FREE. everyone has access to the same information, technology, and all secrets of the universe are released, there would be no reason to hide anything from any of the worlds population because money is not involved, there is nothing to gain personally, and nothing to lose personally.

what IS gained is cures for all diseases, end of virtually 90% of any crimes that exist, complete planetary peace, and total understanding of the earth and everything it has to offer to continually better society.

remember, this has already been experienced, thousands of years of peace and total prosperity, way before our time, then of course we all see what happened.

and the topics of zeitgeist debunked around the internet, well for one sir alex jones was one who was claiming "debunked"

hmm.. i wander why? him, Ron Paul, Charlie Sheen, they seem to be getting pretty chummy together. alex has also starting to receive some "major" media exposure. He gets angry when people mention zionists, hes married to a jew, has jew friends, and honestly he looks like a piece of shit government agent

I think Ron Paul has been put there to "woo" all the rebels and truthers, give them yet another glimmer of "hope" ....like a backup plan, just in case.

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Old 10-15-2009, 09:18 AM
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Probably, I didn't explaine myself in a right way. My point, in fact, is the following:
I DO completely agree 100% with what was shown to us in both movies, and I don't believe in relegions we are offered in such variety to us *but I do believe in God, but not like a church describes it to us). I completely agree that communism (and resource based system it is) can be reached through either socialism or capitalism ... it will be just another change in society (like a transition from imperialism to democracy) .... that's ok. But now, people are not ready yet to make this step. However, some including me would of course try to live in such system but it can not be obtained in a peaceful way accoridn to the "power elite" theory, power elite holds the main part of the resources and power and will do anything to keep it. Moreover, the movie looks just like another new age movies "What the bleep do we know?" where after presenting well proved and reasonable points, at the end they try to promote (market) their product wheather a membership in a sect or real estate one..... like in this case.
In order to change a system and bring new ideas, one doesn't build houses for sale saying there is another world (unfortunatelly it's no quite there yet) .... but creates political movements, educates people and tries to convince them to vote for that new sipirt group so that democratically we would come to the golden age, or resource-based economy. Here, I don't see a clear program except building a community where people would shre common ideas, but still be dependant on the monetary economy. No governemnt will allow THEM to access all resources they need for an idependent existance. So, for now the idea is utopic and the way they try to bring into life looks just like a scam ..... Who of the political leaders was building their own country within an existing one without fearing that an existing government can easiloy destroy such community. Revolutions are done wfrist in minds, then through peaceful or violent means, but not through SELLING houses to the followers. *However, the idea is a very good cover for such enterpreneuers).
I am pro change, but against scammers! SO if there any way of changeing thins world - I am in, but I refuce to buy property for 500,000 dollars.!
The real problem with communism is that it makes three invalid assumptions that cannot be reconciled with the facts of the real world.

1. It assumes that mankind can somhow be perfected, so that an individual will work just as hard for a stranger as he will for himself.

2. It assumes that innovation will continue apace even without motivation to do so.

3. It assumes production but stifles the capital creation and investment aspects of an economy that make production both fruitful and efficient.

Ideas like the Venus Project certainly sound good on paper, but in practice are wholly unsustainable. I may someday be surprised, but its a long shot at best.
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Old 10-15-2009, 09:19 AM
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zeitgeist IS the true answer

the whole problem with society is money, a resourced based economy would bring almost utter utopia to this planet. The technology and science is here for powering the planet COMPLETELY FREE, FOOD= PLENTIFUL AND FREE, HOUSING=PLENTIFUL AND FREE. everyone has access to the same information, technology, and all secrets of the universe are released, there would be no reason to hide anything from any of the worlds population because money is not involved, there is nothing to gain personally, and nothing to lose personally.

what IS gained is cures for all diseases, end of virtually 90% of any crimes that exist, complete planetary peace, and total understanding of the earth and everything it has to offer to continually better society.

remember, this has already been experienced, thousands of years of peace and total prosperity, way before our time, then of course we all see what happened.

and the topics of zeitgeist debunked around the internet, well for one sir alex jones was one who was claiming "debunked"

hmm.. i wander why? him, Ron Paul, Charlie Sheen, they seem to be getting pretty chummy together. alex has also starting to receive some "major" media exposure. He gets angry when people mention zionists, hes married to a jew, has jew friends, and honestly he looks like a piece of shit government agent

I think Ron Paul has been put there to "woo" all the rebels and truthers, give them yet another glimmer of "hope" ....like a backup plan, just in case.
When exactly were these "thousands of years of peace and prosperity"?
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Old 02-07-2010, 09:11 PM
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has anyone ever noticed the striking similarity between the Venus Project's visions and Jack Nicholson's stoned speech about aliens in "Easy Rider"? here's the speech to refresh your memory...
"Well, they are people, just like us - from within our own solar system. Except that their society is more highly evolved. I mean, they don't have no wars, they got no monetary system, they don't have any leaders, because, I mean, each man is a leader. I mean, each man - because of their technology, they are able to feed, clothe, house, and transport themselves equally - and with no effort...Why don't they reveal themselves to us is because if they did it would cause a general panic. Now, I mean, we still have leaders upon whom we rely for the release of this information. These leaders have decided to repress this information because of the tremendous shock that it would cause to our antiquated systems. Now, the result of this has been that the Venutians have contacted people in all walks of life - all walks of life. [laughs] Yes. It-it-it would be a devastatin' blow to our antiquated systems - so now the Venutians are meeting with people in all walks of life - in an advisory capacity. For once man will have a god-like control over his own destiny. He will have a chance to transcend and to evolve with some equality for all."

notice also how he specifically mentions "Venutians". the Venus Project's website claims the name stams from Venus, Florida, but i seriously think there's a bigger connection with this speech than their testing facility when it comes to their name and their mission.
let me know what you think.
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