Contrails cannot form into clouds (proof!)

[JazzRoc]

Originally Posted by stompk

Sorry, but you are a liar.

Spoken by a person who "works for God". Is THAT the truth? PROVE IT.

[TrutherD]

1990 USAF Chemtrail document
Title Chemtrails, Chemistry 131 manual, fall 1991: course policies and laboratory manual
Author United States Air Force Academy. Dept. of Chemistry
Publisher Dept. of Chemistry, U.S. Air Force Academy, 1991
Length 232 pages
Subjects Chemistry

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Paid liars all over this forum, IMO

[BlueAngel]

I am completely tired of hearing about chem trails from you and and all the other members of this forum whom insist that they cause dis-ease amongst the populace.

I have said on numerous occasions, and I stand by my words that Chem trails are nothing more than weather modification.

I don't approve, because manufactured weather modification can have dire consequences amongst the people and vegetative aspects of this planet.

The military/government cannot spray toxic chemicals from jets that do not affect THEM.

Therefore, to believe that whatever is coming out of the back of those planes can cause dis-ease amongst the populace, IMO, would be incorrect.

PERIOD.

So, do me a favor.

(1) Explain in detail the purpose of chemtrails, in your own words, without providing links from other sites and especially anything from Alex Jones.

Alex Jones is not worshipped on CC.

Thanking you in advance,

[TrutherD]

Weather modification, you say?

- Do a search for "lack of sunlight" and see how many diseases it causes.
- Check what the EPA has to say about tiny particles and how poisonous they are
- Consider that less sunlight means LESS natural clouds and chemtrail particles are desiccant and dry out the atmosphere further. This causes a water shortage.

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us [all of humanity], we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. In their totality and in their interactions, these phenomena constitute a common threat which as the enemy, we fall into the trap about which we have already warned, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself.”
-The First Global Revolution: A Report by the Council of The Club of Rome

Dire consequences, indeed.

[BlueAngel]

As I said, weather modification can have dire consequences upon our planet and, as I also said, that is the purpose of chemtrials and, as I further stated, whatever is being sprayed by these jets are not chemicals.

Please check out water vapor.

Thank you for your post.

[JazzRoc]

Paid liars all over this forum, IMO
Starting with YOU. How IS your income these days? Those CDs raking in the cash?

Do a search for "lack of sunlight" and see how many diseases it causes.
Find out how much disease is caused by a POINT TWO PERCENT reduction in solar irradiation.

Check what the EPA has to say about tiny particles and how poisonous they are.
Check what atmospheric science has to say about PARTICULATE TRANSPORT. Ask yourselves whatever happened to the hundreds of millions of tons of fine particulate ash that was emitted by the last volcanic eruptive event. At ANY TIME on Earth there are 1500 active volcanoes spewing out tons of poisonous gases and very fine ash 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week.

Consider that less sunlight means LESS natural clouds and chemtrail particles are desiccant and dry out the atmosphere further. This causes a water shortage.
Contrails (especially the heavy ones) are 99.99% PURE WATER. They have been tested and I have shown you the results.
Chemtrails are a MYTH propagated by TrutherD1 and other illiterate and innumerate morons.

I am completely tired of hearing about chem trails from you and and all the other members of this forum whom insist that they cause disease amongst the populace.
Amen to that.

I have said on numerous occasions, and I stand by my words that Chem trails are nothing more than weather modification.
That includes you in my "myth" statement above.

I don't approve, because manufactured weather modification can have dire consequences amongst the people and vegetative aspects of this planet.
Weather IS being MODIFIED every time you go somewhere or cook something. The combustion product CO2 is a greenhouse gas. The Earth is your greenhouse.

The military/government cannot spray toxic chemicals from jets that do not affect THEM.
Oh, yes they could! An essential element of military duty IS self-sacrifice. But would they? NO.

Therefore, to believe that whatever is coming out of the back of those planes can cause disease amongst the populace, IMO, would be incorrect.
Well, you're right here, but only by default.

As I said, weather modification can have dire consequences upon our planet and, as I also said, that is the purpose of chemtrials and, as I further stated, whatever is being sprayed by these jets are not chemicals.
Human beings ARE wreaking dire consequences on our planet, just by existing. You are adding a new batch of consequences with your ignorant misinformation.

Please check out water vapor.
That's the only sensible thing you have written.

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us [all of humanity], we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. In their totality and in their interactions, these phenomena constitute a common threat which as the enemy, we fall into the trap about which we have already warned, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself.” -The First Global Revolution: A Report by the Council of The Club of Rome
THIS was written at the end of the sixties well before civil aviation was producing contrails. Well before "dumbing down". It's about SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY. Maybe the two of you haven't the IQ to grasp that.

Trails ARE a new component to Global Warming. 3.5% of it.

The OTHER 96.5% seems to have escaped you. Sensible people would be concerned with the 96.5%, idiots with the 3.5%.

[BlueAngel]

Originally Posted by JazzRoc

Paid liars all over this forum, IMO
Starting with YOU. How IS your income these days? Those CDs raking in the cash?

Do a search for "lack of sunlight" and see how many diseases it causes.
Find out how much disease is caused by a POINT TWO PERCENT reduction in solar irradiation.

Check what the EPA has to say about tiny particles and how poisonous they are.
Check what atmospheric science has to say about PARTICULATE TRANSPORT. Ask yourselves whatever happened to the hundreds of millions of tons of fine particulate ash that was emitted by the last volcanic eruptive event. At ANY TIME on Earth there are 1500 active volcanoes spewing out tons of poisonous gases and very fine ash 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week.

Consider that less sunlight means LESS natural clouds and chemtrail particles are desiccant and dry out the atmosphere further. This causes a water shortage.
Contrails (especially the heavy ones) are 99.99% PURE WATER. They have been tested and I have shown you the results.
Chemtrails are a MYTH propagated by TrutherD1 and other illiterate and innumerate morons.

I am completely tired of hearing about chem trails from you and and all the other members of this forum whom insist that they cause disease amongst the populace.
Amen to that.

I have said on numerous occasions, and I stand by my words that Chem trails are nothing more than weather modification.
That includes you in my "myth" statement above.

How would my above statement render me a moron? Spewing water from planes into the atmosphere causes weather changes and, if it is being done for this purpose, it would be referred to as weather modification. If it is not for weather modification, kindly inform the forum what the other reason would be for spewing 99.9% water from the back of planes and what comprises the other one percent?

I don't approve, because manufactured weather modification can have dire consequences amongst the people and vegetative aspects of this planet.
Weather IS being MODIFIED every time you go somewhere or cook something. The combustion product CO2 is a greenhouse gas. The Earth is your greenhouse.

Obviously, weather is modified in other ways. We are aware of these natural causes; however, spewing water from the back of planes, unless for some other reason than weather modification is not a natural cause. And, even if it were for some other reason, the effect would still involve modification of the weather.

The military/government cannot spray toxic chemicals from jets that do not affect THEM.
Oh, yes they could! An essential element of military duty IS self-sacrifice. But would they? NO.

Incorrect word usage on my part. Obviously, the military and goverment can spray whatever chemicals they want from jets, but, in this instance, IMO, they DO NOT in lieu of CANNOT.

Therefore, to believe that whatever is coming out of the back of those planes can cause disease amongst the populace, IMO, would be incorrect.
Well, you're right here, but only by default.

I'm right, but it is not due to default.

As I said, weather modification can have dire consequences upon our planet and, as I also said, that is the purpose of chemtrials and, as I further stated, whatever is being sprayed by these jets are not chemicals.
Human beings ARE wreaking dire consequences on our planet, just by existing. You are adding a new batch of consequences with your ignorant misinformation.

I have not added a new batch of consequences with any ignorant misinformation as I have not written any IGNORANT misinformation. However, kindly inform me as to what a "new bath of consequences" would be.

Please check out water vapor.
That's the only sensible thing you have written.

Your comment above is wrong and there isn't any need to refer to people on this forum as morons. We could say the same about you, but we don't.

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us [all of humanity], we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. In their totality and in their interactions, these phenomena constitute a common threat which as the enemy, we fall into the trap about which we have already warned, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself.” -The First Global Revolution: A Report by the Council of The Club of Rome
THIS was written at the end of the sixties well before civil aviation was producing contrails. Well before "dumbing down". It's about SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY. Maybe the two of you haven't the IQ to grasp that.

Trails ARE a new component to Global Warming. 3.5% of it.

The OTHER 96.5% seems to have escaped you. Sensible people would be concerned with the 96.5%, idiots with the 3.5%.

Comments inside the box.

[JazzRoc]

How would my above statement render me a moron?
I have already closed this subject. Combustion water leaving the exhausts of a modern civil transport aircraft can precipitate TEN THOUSAND times its weight of ice out of a supersaturated stratospheric layer. Thus the 180-ton fuel load of a transcontinental jumbo may be transformed into 1,800,000 tons of stratospheric ice.
I don't believe this has sunk in yet. Such a LONG, LONG time to appreciate this amount of ice suggests idiocy.

Spewing water from planes into the atmosphere causes weather changes and, if it is being done for this purpose, it would be referred to as weather modification.
It ISN'T done for this purpose, and at 3.5% ITS EFFECT ON GLOBAL WEATHER is statistically insignificant. It's in the thread.

If it is not for weather modification, kindly inform the forum what the other reason would be for spewing 99.9% water from the back of planes and what comprises the other one percent?
The other NOUGHT POINT NOUGHT ONE PERCENT? (You got it wrong! But actually I had rounded UP the amount.) The correct figure (when the biggest trails are deposited) will be 99.9994% PURE WATER. (That's probably better than your local tap water!)
The residual proportion (0.0006%) will be oxides of nitrogen and sulfur, only partially-burnt hydrocarbons, and soot. It's in the thread.

Obviously, weather is modified in other ways. We are aware of these natural causes.
I doubt it. There is NO SUCH THING AS WEATHER MODIFICATION. CLOUD SEEDING ISN'T WEATHER MODIFICATION.

however, spewing water from the back of planes, unless for some other reason than weather modification is not a natural cause.
Are you natural? I am. I have been an aircraft and gas turbine designer, quite naturally. Is kerosine natural? Yes. Are contrails natural (being made by naturally-existing machines made by naturally-existing people)? Of course they ******* are. They are certainly NOT supernatural. Man is natural. Man is a natural organizer of Nature. Science is the measure of Nature - which includes Man.
To hark back to "the good old days" is a severe mistake which brings one of the worst vices - irresponsibility - in its wake. Man needs to travel right now in order to improvise his way out of the situation he finds himself in. Situation management is a human skill. The more social movement and interaction (both required) the better, don't you think?

And, even if it were for some other reason, the effect would still involve modification of the weather.
It will take another forty years for aviation, expanding as it was a few years back, to significantly affect the weather. (I have already given you the science on this). At present the weather is NOT SIGNIFICANTLY MODIFIED. Mathematically, scientifically, SENSIBLY. Due to the future constriction in fossil fuel supplies* there is good reason to suppose that ALL aviation will level off (by 2030) to an amount which has NO significant effect on the Earth's atmosphere. Especially compared with power stations, industry, farting animals. rotting tundra, and active volcanoes (which total 11,500). *Which is a pity, for kerosine is almost a perfect fuel - though something non-poisonous and almost non-flammable would be better.

Incorrect word usage on my part. Obviously, the military and goverment can spray whatever chemicals they want from jets, but, in this instance, IMO, they DO NOT in lieu of CANNOT.
Fair doos.

I'm right, but it is not due to default.
Of course it is, if you have read and understood what I have already written in this thread. WHICH YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T.

I have not added a new batch of consequences with any ignorant misinformation as I have not written any IGNORANT misinformation. However, kindly inform me as to what a "new bath of consequences" would be.
Of course you have. You are saying aviation is harmful when it isn't. The social consequences of millions of "chicken littles" (by "Chemtrails" - non-existent "are nothing more than weather modification" - non-existent - you declare yourself to be one) are potentially HUGE. No good consequences here.

Your comment above is wrong and there isn't any need to refer to people on this forum as morons.
You have had long enough time to read and understand the science behind this. If you keep on making antiscientific and antisocial statements about aviation, what else are you? If you don't understand what I'm talking about, ask me. Don't keep on making the same false assertion.

We could say the same about you, but we don't.
Well, you couldn't, could you?
You haven't elaborately prepared a scientific argument for me to misunderstand and prattle rubbish about.
It's the other way round, n'est-ce pas?
Non-scientists so misunderstand science as to believe it is arguable. It isn't.
You either understand it, or you are TOTALLY WRONG.
People that persist in making false assertions after having been confronted with the truth (for AGES) ARE morons. We can all be one, and we can all STOP being one.

[BlueAngel]

I think you are purposely spreading misinformation.

Your comments are not very clear and/or concise, and, for the most part, they consist of angry ramblings.

JazzRoc said:

"There is NO SUCH THING AS WEATHER MODIFICATION. CLOUD SEEDING ISN'T WEATHER MODIFICATION."

III - WEATHER MODIFICATION: South African Research
The South African Weather Bureau got involved in cloud seeding as early as the late 1940's and early 1950's when in collaboration with the South African Air Force and the CSIR clouds were seeded in the Pretoria - Johannesburg with dry ice (CO2). During these experiments radar for the first time was utilized to determine any seeding effect. Unfortunately very little is known about the results of these experiments other than the fact that 9 storms were seeded. Other ad hoc experiments were also conducted in places like Ladysmith during this period. To put the South African cloud seeding research into perspective, distinct phases are identified, summarizing the progress that have been made through the years.

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You are very right.

You CAN stop being a moron.

Losing some of the anger would be a first step.

[JazzRoc]

"Unfortunately very little is known about the results of these experiments other than the fact that 9 storms were seeded."
That's about one "storm" per year? What size "storm" might that be? Weather? You joke with me.
Cloud-seeding is and has been regularly undertaken in the midwest US for sixty years now. It is used to prevent large storms from building (by causing them to precipitate sooner than they otherwise would). This limits the hailstone size to that not large enough to damage crops. It's BIG BUSINESS and also a jolly good thing to do.
But is it weather modification?
Of course it ******* isn't.
"Weather" is what you get on your TV. You know, THE BIG STUFF - cyclones, anticyclones, fronts, winds, jetstreams, temperatures, precipitations (and you'll note that cloudseeding changes the NATURE of precipitation, not the AMOUNT)..

It is what YOU are doing that is misinformation. You are confabulating "cloud-seeding" with "weather modification" in an unscientific and antisocial manner right now.