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Old 06-05-2010, 06:39 PM
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President Barack Obama pledged Saturday in his weekly radio and Internet address to fight the spill with the people of the Gulf Coast. His words for [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]oil [COLOR=#366388 !important]giant [/color][COLOR=#366388 !important]BP [/color][COLOR=#366388 !important]PLC[/color][/color][/color] were stern: "We will make sure they pay every single dime owed to the people along the Gulf coast."

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Really, Obama?

You're going to make sure that BP pays every single dime that is owed to the people along the Gulf Coast?

You said it.

Now we expect you to do it.

Just so we're clear.

This will include providing a YEARLY compensation to all of the fisherman who have lost their livelihoods due to BP's negligence for as many years as they are unable to resume their employment.

This will also include compensation to the states and local businesses for all of the years that they suffer lack of tourism due to BP's negligence.

You're also going to make sure that BP sends out hundreds and hundreds of HAZMAT workers to clean up the beaches.

Sounds good to me.

Make BP compensate the people and the state for loss of income and tourism for as many years as this oil catastrophe affects them and demand that BP send out hundreds of hazmat workers as they did when you arrived in the Gulf Coast and disappeared when you left.

Make good on your promises.

Otherwise, you're just blowing smoke.

Just like every other politician who speaks from both sides of his mouth in order to appease the people, but, in reality, does nothing.

So, then you're going to make BP "pay the price."

Just want to make sure that we're clear.


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Old 06-08-2010, 03:16 AM
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BP themselves anounced a few days ago that they will pay for everything.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:16 AM
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I don't misrepresent you.

You misrepresent yourself.

Yeah.

Right.

I fail to see that the problem is with the entire system.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with my posts on this forum and you'll see that I denounce the system of control over our leaders and representatives.

I never focus on one man and I have never focused on Obama, himself.

You did.

I don't want a conspiracy.

There is a conspiracy and I'm exposing it.

You want to blame the people for being complacent.

The fact of the matter is that they aren't complacent.

They just simply do not have any power.
What is power except the concentration of interests onto one or a few individuals? Please explain to the group how you could have an egalitarian political system where "the people" have the power.
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Old 06-09-2010, 10:30 PM
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What is power except the concentration of interests onto one or a few individuals? Please explain to the group how you could have an egalitarian political system where "the people" have the power.
Power in this world does not rest in the concentration of interests onto one or a few individuals.

One or few individuals is a gross understatement.

You are the person who accused the people of being complacent.

I pointed out that the people aren't complacent.

They simply do not have the power.

I never said there could be an egalitarian political system where the people have the power so why have you requested that I explain it?
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Old 06-09-2010, 10:35 PM
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BP themselves anounced a few days ago that they will pay for everything.
Glad to hear that they're going to pay for EVERYTHING!

Must keep the pressure on them for as long as they ALLOW this oil gusher to continue.

Certainly, they'll have to reimburse all of the businesses who have lost and will continue to lose revenue due to lack of tourism, eh?

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Old 06-11-2010, 10:34 AM
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Power in this world does not rest in the concentration of interests onto one or a few individuals.

One or few individuals is a gross understatement.

You are the person who accused the people of being complacent.

I pointed out that the people aren't complacent.

They simply do not have the power.

I never said there could be an egalitarian political system where the people have the power so why have you requested that I explain it?
OK, so if the people dont have the power, and you cant envision a system where they do have the power, then arent you conceding my point that mixed-oligarchy is the natural human condition?

That being said, I do still believe that complacency is one of the real problems. Revolutions can and do happen, and, for a time at least, do bring beneficial outcomes often. So to say that the people have no power, when a revolt of the people can bring down even the most powerful regime, seems ludicrous.
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Old 06-17-2010, 10:51 PM
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BP pays for everything.

Lost wages, lost tourism, cleaning up of the beaches.

Everything.

Not one penny is to come out of the American taxpayer's wallet.

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Old 06-17-2010, 10:56 PM
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OK, so if the people dont have the power, and you cant envision a system where they do have the power, then arent you conceding my point that mixed-oligarchy is the natural human condition?

That being said, I do still believe that complacency is one of the real problems. Revolutions can and do happen, and, for a time at least, do bring beneficial outcomes often. So to say that the people have no power, when a revolt of the people can bring down even the most powerful regime, seems ludicrous.
Who said I can't envision a system wherein the people have the power?

You?

Obviously.

Because I never said so.

You continue to suggest that which other members of this forum have not stated.

Your username, fallaciesabound, is quite befitting of yourself.

Certainly, people with power can bring about a revolt and people without power cannot.

However, as I've stated, at present, THE PEOPLE HAVE NO POWER so there will not be a revolt in the near future.

Just as they desire.

People without power equals no revolt.

You can attempt to twist my words as much as you like, FA, but it ain't happenin', pal.

Now or ever.

Oh, and BTW, Eire, please check your posts as far as your father being a rocket scientist.

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Old 06-18-2010, 06:01 PM
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Who said I can't envision a system wherein the people have the power?

You?

Obviously.

Because I never said so.

You continue to suggest that which other members of this forum have not stated.

Your username, fallaciesabound, is quite befitting of yourself.

Certainly, people with power can bring about a revolt and people without power cannot.

However, as I've stated, at present, THE PEOPLE HAVE NO POWER so there will not be a revolt in the near future.

Just as they desire.

People without power equals no revolt.

You can attempt to twist my words as much as you like, FA, but it ain't happenin', pal.

Now or ever.

Oh, and BTW, Eire, please check your posts as far as your father being a rocket scientist.
What the hell are you talking about?

So, please enlighten us as to this egalitarian system of government where the people have the power? How would that possibly work while avoiding the obvious pitfalls of a pure democracy?

As for your ideas about revolt, you are way off. The French nobility certainly had all the power, until a revolt toppled them. The same was true in the American revolution.

And I think you are confusing me with someone else again. Sorry to disappoint a crazy person.
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Old 06-19-2010, 03:30 PM
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What the hell are you talking about?

So, please enlighten us as to this egalitarian system of government where the people have the power? How would that possibly work while avoiding the obvious pitfalls of a pure democracy?

As for your ideas about revolt, you are way off. The French nobility certainly had all the power, until a revolt toppled them. The same was true in the American revolution.

And I think you are confusing me with someone else again. Sorry to disappoint a crazy person.
I think you should ask yourself:

"What the hell am "I" talking about?"

For some reason, you continue to attribute statement's you make as if they came out of my mouth and then expect me to expound on them.

You would be the one who is confused.

And, no, I haven't confused you with anyone.

You're EireEngineer.

You don't disappoint anyone, but yourself.
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