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[galexander]

Originally Posted by KSigMason

Sorry galexander, busy day, couldn't get on.


As far as I have read, Crowley did not found it, but is one of the most famous members. Originally, there may have been some associations only through some men being members in both, but once Crowley took charge, the OTO was reformed. And as far as I've seen, there are not too many Masons that are also members.

As far as I understand the Golden Dawn never recruited from within Freemasonry, and from what I've seen, recruiting for a non-Masonic organization is looked down on.

Although the O.T.O. had a history dating back before Crowley, he certainly shaped the later form of the O.T.O. so in that respect he could be considered as a founder member of the modern form of the O.T.O.

See the following link:

US Grand Lodge, OTO: History of Ordo Templi Orientis

In 1912 Crowley became the National Grand Master General of Great Britain and Ireland of the Order and was Outer Head of the Order from 1922 to his death in 1947.

[monk]

Perhaps we need to look at the Constitution of Egypt, adopted on 11th September 1971?

Constitution of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does the use of 11th September have anything to do with secret Hermetic religion, ha ha?

[KSigMason]

I agree Crowley had a great deal of influence on the OTO.

[BlueAngel]

Originally Posted by galexander

In truth I think BlueAngel is described as 'a moderator' simply based upon her total number of posts.

Some 9,427 to date!

Moderators of this forum are not chosen based upon their post count.

FYI, I'm not described as a moderator, I AM THE MODERATOR.

I suggest, in the future, that you keep your opinions regarding my status as moderator of this forum to yourself or you will be banned.

Stick to the topic and, FYI, my status as moderator is not the topic.

Yes.

I have 9,427 post to date.

That means, what?

Eight posts per day.

WOW.

Incredible.

[galexander]

Originally Posted by KSigMason

I agree Crowley had a great deal of influence on the OTO.

But would you agree that the OTO are Freemasons?

If not then please explain the difference.

Simply stating that the Grand Lodge do not recognise them as such is NOT good enough.

[KSigMason]

Originally Posted by galexander

But would you agree that the OTO are Freemasons?

If not then please explain the difference.

Simply stating that the Grand Lodge do not recognise them as such is NOT good enough.

I don't agree that the OTO is Freemasons. They are not united under the Masonic family nor is it a requirement to be in the Freemasons to be in the OTO or vice versa. I know many Freemasons that are also in other clubs such as Kiwanis, Rotary, and Lions, but I wouldn' say they are connected.

[galexander]

Originally Posted by KSigMason

I don't agree that the OTO is Freemasons. They are not united under the Masonic family nor is it a requirement to be in the Freemasons to be in the OTO or vice versa. I know many Freemasons that are also in other clubs such as Kiwanis, Rotary, and Lions, but I wouldn' say they are connected.

But you have avoided my question.

I specifically asked you to explain the difference between the O.T.O. and Freemasonry in general.

Why are you so deftly taciturn? What do you have to hide?

[monk]

Hi Galexander,

Many mainstream lodges use sunworship with Egyptian deities like Sirius/Isis, and Alnilam/Belt of Orion/Osiris with thier lodge charters the same as the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.

Mark Mason Hall that housed the Isis-Urania Temple of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn no longer exists, but it was in Great Queen Street the same as Londons Freemason Hall.

Don't confuse with the other Mark Mason Hall in St. James St. London that still does exist featured Below:-

Mark Masons Hall

Will continue soon.

[monk]

The Golden Dawn Temple was chartered by Freemasons Hall on 1st March 1888, as shown below:-

Llewellyn Worldwide - Encyclopedia: Golden Dawn Time Line

On 1st March 1888 in London the Sun rose at 06:50:25am and many lodges align this to one of the four directions, in this case the Nadir, being straight down from North on an astronomy programme, aligning it to either Sirius/Isis or Alnilam/Belt of Orion/Osiris, being the god stars of the ancient Egyptian religion.

will continue soon.

[monk]

Astronomy pictures showing this happening are on download, please click on this, then as image appears please click on image to make it bigger.

There are two images one of the Sun rising at time and location, the other at the same time with the Nadir/North cutting through the Belt of Orion/Alnilam within the hermetic astrologers margin of four minutes