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Old 04-21-2010, 12:35 PM
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Yep, we were founded on slavery and still are! So that everyone is free from slavery, even today, wouldn't we essentially need some kind of worldwide communism? Isn't it the dark secret of a capitalist economy that we need people to suffer in order for the richest to get richer?

But of course a worldwide communist economy would never work (probably works on paper) as we humans are a dark immoral bunch by nature and deep down most of us either want to sponge of the system for free or to have more than everyone else. Slavery/others suffering is almost a prerequisite for mankind to flourish.
But wasn't communism a form of slavery itself superted?

Look how Stalin treated the peasants of Russia who actually formed the majority in the country despite the name Bolshevik literally meaning 'majority'.

He killed most of them off apparently as being a peasant wasn't compatible with the aims of Socialism.

Problem solved.

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Old 04-21-2010, 01:30 PM
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Well yea you make a good point, communism does not work in practice but on paper it does. The reason it doesn't work - because of man! Communism needs people to be altruistic toward each other, fair and helping. Unfortunately most if not all people can't keep to these virtuous characteristics - Stalin least of all!

China seems to be doing well but communism isn't being used in the way intended and there's probably more "slavery" in China than most countries.
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Old 04-22-2010, 12:26 PM
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Well yea you make a good point, communism does not work in practice but on paper it does. The reason it doesn't work - because of man! Communism needs people to be altruistic toward each other, fair and helping. Unfortunately most if not all people can't keep to these virtuous characteristics - Stalin least of all!

China seems to be doing well but communism isn't being used in the way intended and there's probably more "slavery" in China than most countries.
Yes and as I noted in another thread, Chinese money is helping prop up the US economy.
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Old 04-29-2010, 01:36 PM
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China is using what I think is a new form of communism. I think the media are calling it capitalist communism. Strangely enough it seems to be working well for the chinese. Their economy is one of strongest right now or so it seems.

Where ever there is someone wanting to oppress someone else there will always be slavery. It's the extreme extended version of Social Dominance.

Nearly every German citizen before and during world war 2 was a slave to Adolf Hitlers Regime. Anyone who opposed or even tried to flee the country were imprisoned, tortured and/or killed.

Although I am sure some people like my great grandparents managed to get out of Germany before Hitler came to power.

Slavery still exists because in some countries unbelievably it is still tolerated .
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:43 PM
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China is using what I think is a new form of communism. I think the media are calling it capitalist communism. Strangely enough it seems to be working well for the chinese. Their economy is one of strongest right now or so it seems.

Where ever there is someone wanting to oppress someone else there will always be slavery. It's the extreme extended version of Social Dominance.

Nearly every German citizen before and during world war 2 was a slave to Adolf Hitlers Regime. Anyone who opposed or even tried to flee the country were imprisoned, tortured and/or killed.

Although I am sure some people like my great grandparents managed to get out of Germany before Hitler came to power.

Slavery still exists because in some countries unbelievably it is still tolerated .
On a psycho-sociological level as well remnants of the slave ethic still survive.
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Old 08-03-2010, 08:27 PM
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The Mesopotamian Myth of creation has it is what we were created for.
To be workers for the gods.
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:38 AM
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The Mesopotamian Myth of creation has it is what we were created for.
To be workers for the gods.
Well, receipts for god's "work" are toxic.
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Old 08-07-2010, 06:27 AM
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The Mesopotamian Myth of creation has it is what we were created for.
To be workers for the gods.
It has to be admitted that religion has itself played a significant part in suppressing the free spirit of man.

The best example that comes to my mind is again the medieval Roman Catholic Church.

Historians readily admit that virtually all of the Popes came to power through money and influence or even murder. Their behaviour whilst on the Papal Throne was often even more shocking. And it wasn't just Rodrigo Borgia:

Pope Alexander VI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And here's one choice quote from that page:

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The wild orgies that Alexander was reported to have sponsored within the papal palaces are now generally considered by the Catholic Church to have been exaggerated.
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:55 AM
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If you found the Wikipedia page on Rodrigo Borgia a bit watered down, how about the following:

Lucrezia Borgia, infamous murderess or political pawn?
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:09 PM
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I am so glad that jane doe and Gale are able to decipher the written words of outfrom and all of his other usernames and respond to him, cause, quite frankly, I have no clue of what he speaks.

Apparently, they all speak the same language.

Broken English.

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