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Old 04-11-2010, 08:12 AM
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Default Is the Mafia Behind the 'Counter Culture'?


One reason people have a difficulty in general with the subject of organised crime, and this is in addition to the fear that these gangs could victimize yourself as well, is that organized crime is often associated with a specific 'culture'.

In the society we live in today we have all been conditioned not to criticize cultures we do not specifically belong to ourselves.

I was reading a book on organized crime the other day by Alan Block, a professor of law at the Penn State University, "East Side - West Side: Organizing Crime in New York", and he uses the terms 'society' and 'culture' in relation to the organized crime phenomena but unfortunately doesn't give further explanation.

One interpretation is that the criminal culture at times also represents a 'subculture' which is therefore a counter trend to conservative and liberal mainstream society.

Look at the music industry for example which must represent the epitome of youth culture/counter culture. How many songs in the charts at the moment can you think of whose lyrics are riddled with innuendos suggesting that 'ganstas is cool!' or appear to be almost openly advertising the sex industry or drug use?

And this is the very same music our kids are listening to, the generation of the future.

Many of the Mafia bosses were cool dudes in their youthful days complete with cool shades, fast women and living the very same lifestyle idealized by the music industry.

But arguably it isn't just the music industry that is to blame but the film industry as well.

The rich profits organised crime rakes in each year usually ends up being laundered and invested in legitimate concerns. The popular story is that of the nightclub owner who invested the proceeds of a bank robbery in buying his club. In the East it is rumoured that the film industry in China is more or less completely controlled by the Triads. So the next time you watch that martial arts film.........

Could this be the culture Alan Block was referring to?

But to what extent does this 'culture' interface with what has been termed 'American Culture'?

Has American Culture itself been shaped by organised crime and hence the Mafia?

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Old 09-23-2010, 12:29 PM
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One slightly unsettling thought is that any one of us could be employed by a company owned by organised crime and part funded by laundered drugs money.

In such a position of power and privilege would such persons be tempted to abuse their power?

I strongly think so.

Look how organised crime worked through the trade unions for example.

The first step is to get one of your men into the union and work his way to the top through bribery. Once the union leadership has been corrupted and controlled by the mob, it can then be used to intimidate the industry concerned through the threat of strike action. Finally the corrupt trade union leadership does a secret no-strike deal with the management of the corporation for the appropriate fees giving the corporation the chance to force down wages and conditions.
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Old 09-23-2010, 01:20 PM
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You're overlooking the fashion industry.
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Old 09-25-2010, 03:31 AM
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You're overlooking the fashion industry.
I'm fascinated Jane Doe. Please tell us more.

What have you heard about the fashion industry?
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Old 09-25-2010, 05:16 AM
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You don't need to set up a cool mafia to make the idea of power and money and danger cool too. You don't need Rambo to make the idea of a gun cool. These things just are because they answer a primative need. So where did that primative need stem from?

God? chance?

You can always take any problem with the world back to one of these. I blame both.

I blame the hippies from the sixties. where else did you find drugs and promiscuous sex come into such fashion? And crime too. They sponsored chaos, attacking "the man" lawlessness. They wanted to replace the idea of law with love, not realising that very few people love at all.

Then you have the shop stewards, stoking up worker revolts, making a lot of people bitter about their place in society. They promised the working man so much that they couldn't deliver that many of those workers dropped out and became criminals.

and last of all we have the conspiracy theorists, who prey on the weak minded, the bitter , the paranoid, the mentally ill. Listen to an Alex Jones program, and see what I mean. His callers are morons 75% of the time. They've been pushed into Jew hating, police bashing, mistrust of anyone.

Counter culture.

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Old 09-25-2010, 08:04 AM
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If you listen to Alex Jones, I will not.
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Old 09-25-2010, 06:34 PM
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You don't need to set up a cool mafia to make the idea of power and money and danger cool too. You don't need Rambo to make the idea of a gun cool. These things just are because they answer a primative need. So where did that primative need stem from?

God? chance?

You can always take any problem with the world back to one of these. I blame both.

I blame the hippies from the sixties. where else did you find drugs and promiscuous sex come into such fashion? And crime too. They sponsored chaos, attacking "the man" lawlessness. They wanted to replace the idea of law with love, not realising that very few people love at all.

Then you have the shop stewards, stoking up worker revolts, making a lot of people bitter about their place in society. They promised the working man so much that they couldn't deliver that many of those workers dropped out and became criminals.

and last of all we have the conspiracy theorists, who prey on the weak minded, the bitter , the paranoid, the mentally ill. Listen to an Alex Jones program, and see what I mean. His callers are morons 75% of the time. They've been pushed into Jew hating, police bashing, mistrust of anyone.

Counter culture.
Yeah, right.

The hippies from the sixties are to blame for the drugs that were available at that time.

You know nothing about who is responsible for the counter culture or anything else for that matter.

Kindly take your wacko ideas elsewhere.

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Old 09-25-2010, 07:54 PM
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If you listen to Alex Jones, I will not.
Sounds like you're not in control of your mind.
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Old 09-25-2010, 07:57 PM
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I'm fascinated Jane Doe. Please tell us more.

What have you heard about the fashion industry?
Yes.

I'm fascinated, as well.

Please, jane doe.

Tell us more.

What have you heard about he fashion industry?

I'm on the edge of my seat.
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Old 09-25-2010, 09:56 PM
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Sounds like you're not in control of your mind.
There isn't any sound on this forum. I haven't heard anything about the fashion industry. I have experienced and have known models who were manipulated in the industry. They too were subjected to "handling" as you so rigorously explain on your victimization Music Industry thread.

As for controlling my mind, I enjoy outbursts occasionally, yes. It clears my mind as opposed to being strapped by others' projections. I enjoy experimenting with different cultural/religious forms of psychosis as well. It creates an interesting insight into the multiplex of icons which cross into every generation. I am amazed at both your and Albie-damn's freedom of speech with these regards. Surely you're bored with your own personality to such an extent you'd prefer to talk about me instead of yourself or a topic in the news.

I have no intention of analyzing you, BlueAngel nor Albie, however if you like to have me outburst on your forum, keep up your personal insults towards me. I'll gladly oblidge. Noone is sacred imo, not even myself. It is a sacrifice I embrace.

Albie-damned said, [Alex Jones'] callers are morons 75% of the time. They've been pushed into Jew hating, police bashing, mistrust of anyone. I will not include myself with Albie-damned nor any of the other people who listen to Alex Jones for the very fact which Albie-damned declared so vehemently. It appears Albie-damned and the other callers are a discredit to humanity. If that statement in itself is an indication I do not control my mind, then so be it, monkey.
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