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Old 05-28-2005, 12:36 PM
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Critique of The UFO/ET Message


The first and most primary problem for a Christian in the alien messages, is that the ETs have carefully but certainly usurped the role of God. They appear as transcendent beings that are superior to man. They know what we don't know, see what we don't see, and can solve what we can't solve. We are told that they can save us. There is no need for a personal God, no need for Jesus. Just trust the aliens to deliver us from the troubles ahead. They have a plan, they pose the questions, and they provide the answers.

Second, they usurp the role of God as Creator. God is not our Father. The ETs are. They are in charge of life. They seeded life, control life, and are bringing mankind's life to fruition. It's all under their control.

Third, if they are our creators, then we must owe something to them. How about our souls, our hearts, and our allegiance? Whitley Streiber writes that his experiences have convinced him that the human soul is very much an issue with the ETs. [15] At one point he comes to feel that one ET has provoked a struggle for his soul, for his very essence. [16] Other ETs ask for abductees' hearts, [17] and demand that the abductee `believe in them.' [18]

Fourth, when the alien messages are all put together, we find that their combined effect is the creation of a new religion. Themes of transcendence, supernatural entities, spiritual evolution, and our `seeded' origins all combine to form a new, religious outlook on life. A new `religion' is in the process of being formed right on our TV screens every night. It does not have a church, for it is universal. It does not have membership, for everyone is automatically a member, if they so choose. It's missionaries are the UFO contactees themselves, what author and channeler Brad Steiger refers to as “the heralds of a New Age religion.” [19] As strange as this may initially sound, consider the following. As a result of encounters with the ETs, the lives of men and women are being changed. Our beliefs about man, his place in the universe, and our purpose on earth are all being impacted. Our entire worldview, the way in which we ascribe coherent meaning and purpose to life, is all being challenged and replaced with an alternative point of view. Whitley Streiber acknowledges this when he writes, “we are dealing with a new system of beliefs on its way to becoming fixed into religious dogma, the way the religion is in my case emerging, right into the middle of a mind with no obvious allegiance to it at all . . .” [20]

Do their messages constitute a new view of the world, and therefore a new religion? If so, how do they compare to the Christian gospel? Are we dealing with harmless fairy tales, with stories of fanciful imaginations, with the ravings of a few crazy people? Or are we dealing with a cleverly crafted, subtly implemented new gospel? To authenticate that the messages and world view of the ETs does indeed constitute a `religion,' let us examine what the UFO occupants are teaching about the following seven religious components: reality, reason, God, religion and Christianity, Christ, man, and the Bible.

Listen first to the ET view of reality. The ETs say that mankind has fundamentally misunderstood reality. Reality is relative. [21] We create it via our thoughts. [22] Zoev Jho even says that there is really no such thing as reality. [23] What we perceive as everyday `reality' just isn't. In a very fundamental way, the ET world view challenges everything: what we see, hear, touch, and understand as being real, just isn't. Reality is something to be manipulated and changed by new, evolved men. Reality is the `ET story' of our seeding and evolutionary development under their oversight. Reality may be anything but what it appears to be.

When it comes to reason and rational thought, something every Christian ought to cherish as a gift from God, the ETs put it all in the trash can in favor of an experiential, pragmatic view of life. Ken Carey, an author who channels multiple ETs, quotes them as saying, “There are but two roads before you. You can walk in the innocence of those who trust . . . or perish in the impending collapse of your rational systems.” [24] “Your individual birth will take place at the precise moment . . . when you stop struggling with your rational fear patterns and let yourself go in the divine dance of inner direction.” [25] Gina Lake and Joy Gilbert are two examples of people who have been contacted by ETs. Gina is in `telepathic contact' with an entity called Theodore. Theodore told Gina, “Trust yourself. Trust your feelings. They will tell you what you need to be happy and fulfilled. Don't judge your feelings.” [26] Joy is a contactee. Her ET said she was not to “let anyone tell you how to think or feel.” [27] Look within for answers. Don't hold any belief tightly. It is only thought and thought changes. In other words, don't think about all this too much. Just trust the ETs. Go with your heart. Don't trust the old worn out rational ways of thinking. Thoughts are not to be equated with truth. They change. Just trust and all will be well.

How do the ETs view God? Is He the personal, knowable, transcendent, `other than' God of the Bible? Not exactly. The ET view of God is founded first and foremost in another way in which the ETs see reality. They see reality as consisting of one primary force, one `thing' if you will, one piece of seamless energy or thought. God, creation, man, and even the ETs all blend into one unified totality of being. Everything is interrelated. There is no `other than.' The ETs tell Joy Gilbert, “We are all connected by our very nature.” [28] We are all the same substance. Each of us is made from particles of creation. In a view such as this, God loses all His defining features and personality. God becomes part and parcel of everything that we see. Phyllis Schlemmer is from Israel and for years has been channeling an ET called Tom who speaks for the “Council of Nine.” Tom says that, “in each of you there is God, and in each of us there is God, because God is love, and love is with us all.” [29] God turns out to be a god of a monistic, pantheistic worldview.

What about religion and Christianity? The ET message is one of syncretism. Whitley Streiber writes that as a result of the ET world view, “we are beginning to cease to care about the differences between faiths . . . all faiths . . . are coming to seem as valid to each other as they probably always have been to God.” [30] Erich Von Daniken, one of the popular purveyors of ET lore, says that there is an “intellectual Day of Judgment” coming, and then we will know that there are not tons of religions, but just one. [31] Sir George King, a noted master of yoga, was contacted one day by an ET who spoke through him for a number of years. The founder of a group known as the Aetherius Society, Sir George was told that the ETs are here to enhance all religions. He was told that we will see “a breaking down of the barriers between different religions” as men turn to mysticism. [32] The message is a pervasive one. No one religion is right. We are all on the same path. It doesn't matter what you believe. Randolph Winters claims to be in touch with a group of ETs from the Pleiades. They tell him that religion has outlived its usefulness and no longer has any valid answers. The ETs, and only the ETs, have the answers. We are not to listen to religious leaders, for they have no authority. Their words are only information to be integrated into our own personal path as we see fit. [33] The ET that channeled The Only Planet Of Choice says point blank that Christianity is no longer the guardian of truth. [34] We are to look to the stars for truth. [35]

The divergence between the ET worldview and the Christian worldview becomes most apparent when we come to the subject of who Jesus Christ was and why He came. Jesus is anything but the one and only, unique God-man. He is said to be a great Cosmic Master, an ET from Venus who trained on a space ship, a space brother who was planted here, an ascended master, a great yogi, or an evolved spirit born of a Pleiadian father and Mary. “Generally speaking, in the Space Beings' teachings, Jesus of Nazareth is not God but is a Christ, an ascended master, who incarnated so that he might demonstrate the Christ-pattern . . .” [36]

ETs tell us that Jesus did not come to bring salvation to men who were alienated from God. He came instead to give us a nice set of ethics, to expand our consciousness, and to deliver a space message of love and brotherhood. He taught reincarnation, denied a literal hell, said that evil does not really exist, denigrated the Bible, and said that men are all connected with and are a part of God.

This Jesus was not virgin born and did not die any kind of an atoning death for the sins of mankind. He is, however, coming again. But the alien version of the Second Coming of Christ, not surprisingly, is much different from the traditional, biblical view. One ET version has Christ returning in a space ship, performing great miracles. Anyone who does not heed his words the second time, will be removed from the earth. [37] Other versions say that Christ will not return as an individual. His return will be a group return: A single individual will not be returning, it will be a collection of Christ-like men. [38] The purpose of all this will be to transform our consciousness and to bring all men together in a peaceful new world. There will be no judgment, no Battle of Armageddon, no blood, and no accountability. It will be uplifting, a raising up of mankind, and a happy, positive event.

When it comes to a consideration of man, we find another divergence from the Christian world view. According to the ETs, man has evolved. Man has also had a series of previous lives, and therefore we have all experienced reincarnation. This means that death is not an enemy. We should not fear it. Death is only an illusion. Verlain Crawford channels an ET known as IXACA who tells her the following about death: “The idea . . . that you could have physical immortality, that you could live forever may seem ridiculous. However, we suggest that it is imperative to change this core belief as you move into the higher dimensional frequencies . . . you now have the opportunity to consciously choose any age you want for your physical body and to experience the health and vitality of that age.” [39] The common message is that death is our friend. It is nothing to fear. Our bodies are only containers that we shed easily as we move from one life to another. [40]

What does all this mean for man's basic nature? If we are evolving, being reincarnated, discarding one container-body for another, then who or what are we? We have already seen that the ETs teach that we are beings that were `seeded' by them here on this planet eons ago. But many of them take it one step further and teach that man is really god. We are all sparks from the divine. [41] Virtually every channeler today that claims to speak for an ET has a version of the same message: man is God. Listen to the following, all taken from a variety of channeled ETs: “we are sparks from God.,” [42] “in each of you there is God,” [43] “be still and know that YOU are GOD. . . . Each and every person will know that he is GOD!” [44]

The ETs that speak through Ken Carey say, “You are not born into sin. You are born daily into the Presence of God . . . ” [45] Man is not a sinner in need of a Savior. In fact there is no such thing as sin, for if man is God then sin does not exist. Sin is just a `mistake,' an `imbalance.' If man is not a sinner, then there is no need for God to forgive or save us. We only need to forgive ourselves. Our salvation comes from the ETs who will save us from the disasters ahead and reveal to us the truth of our real origin. There is no hell, no judgment, and no accountability in the world of the ETs. There is only trust that they are here to save, protect, and help us.

Lastly, what do the ETs have to say about the Bible? Is it the inspired, inerrant, infallible Word of God? Not according to the aliens. The ETs teach that the Bible is full of mistakes. It has been changed, and the church has tampered with its true teachings. [46] It's true message has been misunderstood. Diane Tessman is a popular ET channeler today. Tibus, the ET that speaks through her, says, “it is the MISUNDERSTANDING of [the Bible] which has proved very detrimental to the human race for hundreds and hundreds of years now.” [47] Dr. Fred Bell of California interacts with an ET known at Semjase. Semjase says that “the Bible [has] been edited, which resulted in its original message being altered.” [48] Over and over again the theme is the same: the Bible is wrong, it has been changed by men, it's true message has been lost. To help correct this, new `scripture' is being written. A former French race car driver, whose ET contact goes by the name of Rael, has rewritten parts of the Bible as a result of his encounters. [49] Other ETs stress that the biblical accounts are only stories meant to be read allegorically or symbolically. Whatever the Bible may be, it is clearly not a reliable book. It is full of mistakes and errors and is in need of rewriting and clarification. Wise men would not treat it as truth.

Taken as a group, the ET version of reality, reason, God, religion and Christianity, Jesus, man, and the Bible comprise a very different version of the world and man's place in it. The ETs have a complete theology, all of which stands in stark contrast to historic Christian doctrines. We are, in fact, seeing the emergence of a new religion and, with it, the emergence of a new world view.

To more properly understand the impact of all this, we should consider what a world view is and why it is important. Simply put, a world view is the way an individual views the world. It is our way of explaining and making sense out of reality. A world view helps us make sense out of life. It answers basic questions like who we are and why we are here, who or what God is, and what constitutes reality. It gives meaning and purpose to our lives. A world view is the core around which we run our lives, make our judgments, and form our values. People often fine tune their world view making minor refinements here and there. But, rarely do they trade one world view for another. When they do so, the results are so profound and shattering that it is often referred to as a paradigm shift.

Thoughtful observers of the UFO scene today identify a new world view emerging as a result of the ET messages. It is a world view that is beginning to permeate the culture at large. Jim Marrs, in his book Alien Agenda, writes that many people feel that the ETs are here to expedite a shift to a new reality. [50] After attending the M.I.T. alien abduction conference, C. D. B. Bryan concluded that we are in the middle of a paradigm shift. Men are asking how we relate to the universe. [51] We are being forced to rethink how we perceive ourselves. Soon, man may no longer be seen as central to the meaning of the universe. If we are not the only ones here, and if the `others' are superior to us, then the entire concept of man as a unique creation of God will begin to be re-worked. A new view of man will necessitate the formation of a new world view.

The contactees themselves often describe what has happened to them as a shift in their world view. Whitley Streiber says that he went through a “thoroughgoing revision of being.” [52] He writes that the entire UFO experience “implies that we very well may be something different from what we believe ourselves to be, on this earth for reasons that may not yet be known to us . . .” [53] Zoev Jho underlines all of this saying that the ETs are experts at transmuting crumbling realities. [54]

Very few researchers have worked with more abductees than John Mack of Harvard University. After years of studying this phenomena, Mack writes of the “ontological shock” that the abductees go through. [55] When they realize that their old view of reality does not hold up, and all their old beliefs are so strongly challenged, their concept of reality begins to crumble under the weight of an ontological collapse. Michael Craft, author of Alien Impact, sums it all up when he concludes his book with this remark: “Perhaps we are headed toward a causal collapse, or a reshaping of reality that ignores all the old rules, except for those found in old fairy tales. Wherever we finally go, to oblivion or to the stars . . . it is clear that humanity's oldest friends in the UFOs are along with us for the ride.” [56]

The UFO phenomena, then, is not just the stuff of Hollywood movies, TV shows, and a few crazy people. It is essentially about a fundamental challenge to our understanding of reality. But it does not represent the only messages coming from the heavens. We still have to consider what the angels are saying to us.

http://www.ses.edu/journal/issue2_1/2_1tunnicliffe.htm

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Old 05-28-2005, 02:17 PM
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From savethemales.ca:

Could the "Disclosure Project" be disinformation? I suppose but I don't know what purpose it would serve.
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Answer: The creation of a new religion

Fourth, when the alien messages are all put together, we find that their combined effect is the creation of a new religion. Themes of transcendence, supernatural entities, spiritual evolution, and our `seeded' origins all combine to form a new, religious outlook on life. A new `religion' is in the process of being formed right on our TV screens every night. It does not have a church, for it is universal. It does not have membership, for everyone is automatically a member, if they so choose. It's missionaries are the UFO contactees themselves, what author and channeler Brad Steiger refers to as “the heralds of a New Age religion.” [19] As strange as this may initially sound, consider the following. As a result of encounters with the ETs, the lives of men and women are being changed. Our beliefs about man, his place in the universe, and our purpose on earth are all being impacted. Our entire worldview, the way in which we ascribe coherent meaning and purpose to life, is all being challenged and replaced with an alternative point of view. Whitley Streiber acknowledges this when he writes, “we are dealing with a new system of beliefs on its way to becoming fixed into religious dogma, the way the religion is in my case emerging, right into the middle of a mind with no obvious allegiance to it at all . . .” [20]
http://www.ses.edu/journal/issue2_1/2_1tunnicliffe.htm
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Old 05-29-2005, 11:57 AM
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More UFO Propaganda,
this from a letter to savethemales.ca
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Another great piece. Von Braun was right and the plan has unfolded accordingly. Also, as a result of my decades-long study of ET cultures, I
can tell you that the dominant friendly aliens, the humanoid Plejarans have already done a lot to ensure Earth's long-term safety, but that
Roddenberry's non-intervention directive still holds sway -- no matter what.

They are time travellers. They are the one definitive true positive contact that mankind has had with ETs and that is why no one knows about it, why there have been 17 assasination attempts on his life (all thwarted by the plejarans) and why anyone who discusses them gets no air-time. The contacts have been on-going more or less continuously for over 30 years and started with the preparation of Meier for the contacts many decades before that. They have resulted in more documentation in verbatim text and photos, physical samples, movie footage and contacts with multiple people than any
other in the our history.

They have seen our future in great detail. The have checked and re-checked the time streams countless times over millions of years in our past and to billions of years in our future. They have even stopped the Great Destroyer
comet that was slated to obiterate us all in the year 2225. Meanwhile they will not intervene in man's affairs and will wait out WW3, WW4 and the
massive destruction of life on Earth that results.

I'm going to include a link to the Billy Meier contact information. Read this brief history of their predictions and prophesies and especially read the Henoch Prophesies.
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Old 05-29-2005, 12:18 PM
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55132 your experiece with seeing a flying vehicle sounds like just that, minus a hologram to cloak it in a suitable covering. Like seeing a car minus the roof and doors. You probably live near a secret hangar facility.
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Old 05-30-2005, 01:35 AM
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Fallen Angels.

I've have interacted and that's my conclusion.

(also from shave the dales)

"In 1945, the explosion of Atom bombs on earth caught the attention of advanced alien civilizations who feared we had become a menace.

They have since made thousands of visits to earth, many focused on disarming atomic weapons. For example, Roswell New Mexico ,where two UFO's were shot down and five alien corpses recovered in 1947, was the home of the only US nuclear weapons squadron at the time."

So, I'm to believe a superior race traveled light years faster then we can get to Mars only to be shot down?

Idioitic BS.
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One thing must be acknowledged by anyone who has studied the NWO, they aee incredibly intelligent and have infiltrated every group that seeks to oppose them; then they take little bits of truth that can always be found, and twist that information to suit their agenda. If we are to survive we must stop fighting amonst ourselves and find common ground: THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS.

All people are entitled to believe what they want about God and worship God in any manner they see fit, as long as they don't intrude on my right to do the same!

I have written a book that details the manner in which a Secret Organization began to take control of the United States government at the beginning of the 20th century and now has complete control over both the democratic and republican parties. It is called WAR AND DEATH OF THE AMERICAN DREAM. I call this group the GLOBAL ELITE, and they have been using war, inflation (via the Federal Reserve), and the budget deficit to bring America to the brink of destruction! Our currency is a fraction of what it was before the Federal Reserve fraud was perpetrated on the American public; they used tax exempt foundations such as the Rockefeller Foundation, and Guggenheim Foundation to take control of our educational system and completely destroy it; they have mandated that out borders remain OPEN AND UNSECURED in order to import foreigners into this country who do not understand or appreciate how important our Constitutional liberties and Bill of Rights are (all the while we are spending hundreds of billions of dollars fighting a war in the Middle East to keep the terrorists from attacking us).

This GLOBAL ELITE is very close to achieving their goal, a New World Order with them completely in charge. You will never again hear of another Ruby Ridge, or Waco, Texas, because from now on they will use Nano technology to destroy their opposition, claiming that the evil doers were cooking up biological hazards which went astray and killed the supposed designers.

WAR AND DEATH OF THE AMERICAN DREAM describes the tools and tactics of this nefarious and deceitful group of power brokers, and suggests some ways that the American people can defeat this monstrous foe, if we will find the common ground that built this great country and unite once again. You can find out more information about me and my book from my web site: www.UniteAmericaNow.com.

"These United States can never be destroyed from forces outside its borders. If America falls, it will fall from within. Brought down by apathy. When good people do nothing, anarchy reigns." Abraham Lincoln

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