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Old 05-06-2011, 05:10 PM
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The 1958 Takeover of the Catholic Church

There was coup d'etat in the Catholic Church on October 26th, 1958 and the Church has been governed by imposters since that time.

Is this really that important? In my opinion it is. The Catholic Church is the largest and oldest institution on earth with roughly a billion nominal members, roughly 3 times the population of the United States.

Since 1958 however, despite the numbers, the institution has been largely ineffective in combating the social ills they had so effectively handled for centuries. Abortion, pornography, divorce, obscenity all became prominent after the papal chair was usurped in 1958.

To demonstrate the power of the Church before this, look at the time when Pius XII excommunicated President Peron of Argentina in 1955 when he tried to contradict the constitution and allow divorce.

As a result of the excommunication, the populace of Argentina rose up and Peron was removed from office and Catholic teaching was upheld. Who would have thought that 50 years later Argentina would be legalizing “gay marriage.”

Also, for those familiar with Catholicism you may know that the original Mass, which can be traced back to the 4th century (but could very well be apostolic in origin), was abandoned in 1969 to make way for a "new mass," A ceremony that bears little resemblance to the traditional Mass. Again, who would want to destroy the sacred rite but an enemy agent masquerading as Pope.

Part 8 The Destruction of the Mass
To find out why the “Catholic” Church of today has become a sick caricature of the Catholic Church of two millennia we have to look back to the papal conclave of 1958. I believe the documentary posted below will provide the key to understanding what has happened.

At the center of the film is the election of the conservative prelate, Cardinal Giuseppe Siri, in 1958. What you will see in this section is a very clear emission of white smoke from the Sistine Chapel 2 days before the election of John XXIII. On this night 200,000 people turned to the balcony to see the new pope emerge on the balcony while news reports went out around the world that a new pope had been elected.

Vatican radio later announced that the white smoke was a mistake and that no Pope had been elected. In this section you will also hear the testimony of an FBI Consultant that claims there are FBI and State Department files which state that on this night Cardinal Siri was elected Pope and took the name Gregory XVII. In addition, former papal advisor Father Malachi Martin gives his testimony that Cardinal Siri was elected and was put under duress in at least 2 if not 3 conclaves. This is the centerpiece of the film (part 4) which is about 10 minutes
Looking at one incident, however, does not give one the perspective they need to see that the church has been hijacked. The very clear signal that a pope had been elected 2 days before John XXIII emerged on the balcony is very suspicious, but in itself does not provide enough reason to believe that the Chair of Peter was stolen. To arrive at a clear conclusion on this, one must take several things into account.

Historical Precedents

The papacy does get usurped. In the history of the Catholic Church the papacy has been usurped more than 40 times, which is easily verifiable by getting a list of anti-popes. In the movie we highlight the case of Innocent II who was elected pope and then forced to flee by an imposter pope, Anacletus II. Anacletus II ruled for 8 years until his death, upon which, Innocent ascended to the papal throne many years late. Anacletus and all the clergy ordained by him were then condemned at the second Lateran Council.

The Men Who Took Over

The men who took office instead of Cardinal Siri, namely John XXIII ( Angelo Roncalli) and Paul VI (Giovanni Montini) we’re more just bad apples.

JOHN XXIII

John XXIII’s Masonic initiation is described in detail in Pier Carpi’s book the “The Prophecies of John XXIII” and there is a vast amount of evidence and testimony that he was indeed a Mason. For this alone he would be ipso facto excommunicated and obviously ineligible for the Papacy. Upon his election, he immediately made Montini (future Paul VI) a Cardinal and called the Second Vatican Council, two of the most disastrous decisions in the history of the Catholic Church.

He also received Nikita Khrushchev’s son-in-law and daughter at the Vatican in a private meeting, this is after communist regimes around the world murdered and imprisoned millions of Catholics. The well publicized meeting earned an extra million votes for the communist party in Italy in the national elections. John XXIII also began introducing changes to the Mass, changes that would culminate in the complete destruction of the Tridentine Latin Mass under Paul VI.

Part 5 Who was John XXIII?
Paul VI

Paul VI, who never spent so much as a day a parish priest before becoming Pope, enjoyed reading books by Oscar Wilde during his seminary days. This wouldn’t seem so bad if it weren’t for the multiple public accusations of sodomy against him that emerged during and after his pontificate. If this wasn’t bad enough, ex-member of the Vatican noble guard, Franco Bellegrandi recounts in his book Nikita Roncalli that Pius XII conducted a secret investigation and found out that Montini, then secretary of state, was providing names of priests operating behind the iron curtain to the Soviet secret police. The priests were then shot or sent to the gulag.

Part 7 Who was Paul VI?
Indeed these two men were not simply “bad popes,” nor did they become pope and then lose their faith. They were enemy agents who set the Church on a carefully designed plan to destruction.
Once the treachery of these two men has been established, the 3 week period between the death of Pius XII (a true pope) and the so-called election of John XXIII (an imposter) become crucial. Did anything significant happen between these two dates? Yes, there was a five minute signal indicating a pope had been elected billowing out of the Sistine Chapel two days before John XXIII emerged on the balcony in St. Peter’s Square. Was the true pope elected on this night, and was he Cardinal Siri? I’ll point to three sources that say this is exactly what happened.

Paul L. Williams

FBI informant Paul Williams in his book The Vatican Exposed quotes State department files that state Cardinal Giuseppe Siri was elected and took the name Gregory XVII on Sunday October 26th but the French Cardinal annulled the results .

Fr. Malachi Martin

Fr. Malachi Martin in an interview in the late nineties says that Siri got enough votes to become Pope but refused the office because he thought they would not let him live.

Fr. Charles-Roux

Father Charles-Roux claims that Joseph Cardinal Siri of Genoa had been elected and also accepted the Papal office, but a very serious threat was delivered by the dean of the College of Cardinals (Cardinal Tisserant) and that Siri was immediately shoved aside, without actually abdicating.

Here we have three individuals claiming that Cardinal Siri was elected and was subject to some kind of threat. This along with Cardinal Siri’s indirect admissions (twice) that he was elected pope make a very good case that the person who was elected when the white smoke emerged on October 26th, 1958, was Cardinal Giuseppe Siri of Genoa.

Furthermore there is a great deal of evidence that Cardinal Roncalli and the whole 1958 affair was planned by unholy forces, which is described in Part 3 of the film.

Part III The Chosen Candidate
Those who have trouble believing that Cardinal Siri was elected seem to want an admission from the forces of darkness who captured the papacy and a detailed explanation of how they did it. Others expect that Siri would come out and claim that he was pope, when obviously nobody would believe it, even if he did manage to get the word out before being eliminated.

Lastly, the film will give some basic instructions on how to find traditional churches, priests, catechisms, etc and give a word or two on activism.

Part XII The Underground Church
The film is otherwise broken down into 12 parts, the subject matter of each part described in the title.

Part 1 Historical Precedents Part 2 October 1958 Part 3 The Chosen Candidate Part 4 The 1958 Conclave Part 5 Who was John XXIII? Part 6 The 1963 Conclave Part 7 Who was Paul VI? Part 8 The Destruiction of the Mass Part 9 Year of Two Conclaves Part 10 Cardinal Siri Confronted Part 11 Conclusion Part 12 The UndergroundChurch

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"Since 1958 however, despite the numbers, the institution has been largely ineffective in combating the social ills they had so effectively handled for centuries. Abortion, pornography, divorce, obscenity all became prominent after the papal chair was usurped in 1958."

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Please inform us how the Catholic Church, before it was usurped in 1958, had effectively handled abortion, pornography, divorce, obscenity, etc.

The Catholic Church can't even effectively handle their pedophile priests who have had their hands all over the little BOYS who were and are church members before and after 1958!

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Before 1958, the number of perverted priests was about on par with any other profession, teachers, social workers, policemen, etc

To answer you're question though.
Abortion, when did abortion become legal in the united states, early 70s?
It was well after 1958, I can tell you that much. To this day catholic hospitals do not perform abortion, and most of the pro-life groups are Catholic.

Porn? That's easy, look up the Legion of Decency. No movie theater in the US would dare play a movie that wasn't approved by The Legion of Decency.

Divorce was illegal in Argentina and 1954 President Peron tried to allow it, he was excommunicted by Pius Xii which led to a popular uprising, and Peron's ouster.

There are a few examples.
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interesting documentary even though I dislike religion, especially so the catholic church. Religion stunts spiritual growth and is akin to fluoride in our drinking water - a pollutant. People are entitled to have whatever beliefs they desire, but those of us who are outside the boundaries of religion have to deal with their unnecessary interferences. Religion and politics as Osho once stated are the Mafia of the Soul, ironically this fits the documentary perfectly!
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Old 05-21-2011, 08:51 AM
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Thanks for watching Osho. If you take anything away from the film I hope it is the realization that the people running the Catholic Church are not Catholic. Nor will people get the true teaching of the Church if they approach a priest or enter a Catholic Church.

Now, I know you said you don't like the Catholic Church, and i understand there were bad individuals in positions of power in the church, but there Catholic teachings remained the same pretty much from the apostles until 1958.

BTW I did read a book by Osho back in the day, finding the bull, or controlling the bull or something like that. Another book that I read was "The Handbook to Higher Consciousness" by Ken Keys Jr. Out of all the books on religion and spirituality that I read before returning the Catholic Church that was the best one.

I don't know if you have kids or not, but that was the big turning point for me. The books above a had a lot of appeal when I was a single man but when it came to marriage, children and family I needed something more concrete with fixed rules, absolute morality, etc.
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I enjoyed watching the documentary and learnt more about those pesky Freemasons - boy they get everywhere!
I rebelled against orthodox religion from eleven years of age,at school I gave our religious education teachers a rough ride! When I was eighteen I became a born again christian due to negative circumstances but after eighteen months knew I had to get out. I found it suffocating and limiting, and then as I learnt more about the foundations of christianity I found myself questioning everything. The virgin birth and the resurrection were two aspects I found unpalatable, and to be honest the more I learnt the more I decided that christianity was more based on myth than fact.
I have read more about religion in the past few years which confirmed my decision to stay far away from ALL orthodox religions. They are based on control and fear and not based on love and truth.
Yes I have children but thankfully they are repulsed by religion, and this is not influenced by my views, thankfully they have a mind of their own and have made the decision without my influence!
I have a spiritual philosophy which is an integral part of my life, and it serves me well, and I pick up further insights as I progress along my life's path through experiences and also through the books I read.
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Well it's nice to have a civil exchange with someone who has a different belief system. I'll agree that it is very difficult to accept the resurection and the the virgin birth coming from a materialist standpoint (I'm not saying your a materialist). For me it wasn't until I began to pray that I felt a supernatural influnece in my life, I'm sure you've heard the song amazing grace, well I didn't understand what grace was until I experienced it. I didn't truly believe these things for a long time but didn't want to reject the faith of my ancestors, I often found myself asking for confirmation, wanting to believe but unconvinced. About 6 years ago after reciting the Rosary 3 or 4 times I began to undergo a genuine conversion. This is just my story, it's all I can say.
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Well it's nice to have a civil exchange with someone who has a different belief system. I'll agree that it is very difficult to accept the resurection and the the virgin birth coming from a materialist standpoint (I'm not saying your a materialist). For me it wasn't until I began to pray that I felt a supernatural influnece in my life, I'm sure you've heard the song amazing grace, well I didn't understand what grace was until I experienced it. I didn't truly believe these things for a long time but didn't want to reject the faith of my ancestors, I often found myself asking for confirmation, wanting to believe but unconvinced. About 6 years ago after reciting the Rosary 3 or 4 times I began to undergo a genuine conversion. This is just my story, it's all I can say.
We all need to believe in something! Even atheists believe in something! It costs nothing to be civil and engage in a well mannered debate, so please know that I will respect your beliefs.
On the subject of miraculous happenings, I believe such things happen as I have experienced a miracle myself when I was cured of cancer by a wonderful healer. I have also witnessed things which normal physical laws do not apply!
Onto the gospels of the new testament, and they are riddled with that many contradictions that it is difficult to believe them. A little time spent studying the gospels will reveal the many contradictions within. Their are also question marks about the true authorship of the letters written by Paul.
As for the virgin birth, well Jesus isn't the only candidate! Buddha and Krishna qualify too!
I believe all religions are used by the powers that be to control the masses, and to cause divisions between people. Maybe in the beginning their was an element of truth in these religions but as time has progressed religion has been watered down, and is now a tool of mind control.
I am not a materialist and never have been, I've always followed a spiritual path. I believe in a Divine Source, and in reincarnation.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, is what I live by.
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Before 1958, the number of perverted priests was about on par with any other profession, teachers, social workers, policemen, etc

To answer you're question though.
Abortion, when did abortion become legal in the united states, early 70s?
It was well after 1958, I can tell you that much. To this day catholic hospitals do not perform abortion, and most of the pro-life groups are Catholic.

Porn? That's easy, look up the Legion of Decency. No movie theater in the US would dare play a movie that wasn't approved by The Legion of Decency.

Divorce was illegal in Argentina and 1954 President Peron tried to allow it, he was excommunicted by Pius Xii which led to a popular uprising, and Peron's ouster.

There are a few examples.
Dude!

You didn't answer my question.

You said that before 1958 when the Catholic Church was usurped, they effectively handled abortion, divorce, pornography, etc.

I asked you how they did this?

Your comment didn't answer my question.

The following is what you wrote:

Excerpt:

"Since 1958 however, despite the numbers, the institution has been largely ineffective in combating the social ills they had so effectively handled for centuries. Abortion, pornography, divorce, obscenity all became prominent after the papal chair was usurped in 1958."

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Do you see that what you have written doesn't make any sense nor does your comment to the question I posed to you?

I'll ask you again.

How is it that the Catholic Church, before 1958 when it was usurped effectively handled abortion, pornography, divorce, etc.?

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Divorce: Until 1958 divorce was illegal in most Catholic countries. President Peron of Argentina tried to allow divorce and was excommunicated by Pius XII, a popular uprising followed and Peron was removesd from office.

Pornography: The Legion of decency was a Catholic organization that approved or disapproved of movies, no theatre would dare play movies not approved by this group as the theatre would be boycotted. This result was that many beautiful movies were produced, Ben Hur, the Sound of mUSIC, A Man for all Seasons, etc

Abortion: Abortion was Illegal until 1973 (roe vs Wade) In Catholic countries like Ireland it is still illegal, Catholic hospitals do not perform abortions, most of the pro-life groups today are Catholic. In 1958, it would have been unthinkable that abortion would be legalized, but what did we hear from the imposter Paul VI when abortion was legalized in America? Absolutely nothing!

Compare that with the actions of his predecessor 20years earlier with the legalization of divorce in Argentina.

Hope this answers your question.
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