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Old 06-09-2011, 10:26 PM
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Actually you need to say exactly where that is in the Bible. There are secrets and there are secrets. The ones Masons say they have are not secrets, they are simply the same old lies.
The secretiveness of the organization is a mark of a cult. However, there are enough men and women who have come out of it and shed light on much of what goes on that people can evaluate enough of it to know it is not of God. You don't have to know every part of the evil to see most of it. The Bible also speaks to that saying that the things that are hidden will be shouted from the rooftops. I can provide scripture references for everything I have written. And they will be in context. It is obvious you do not know your own Bible. If you studied the Word of God, the Holy Bible, a fraction of the time you spend studying these silly Masonic teachings you will see for yourself the truth of what I say. It is plain for anyone who is willing to see and follow the truth in the Word of God.
Cherry picking is exactly what Masons do with the Bible twisting it, adding to it and making it into a tool of deception. There will come a day when all of that will be judged, but there is a way out of that judgement and that is repentance and leaving lies behind. God is merciful to sinful men and women who come to Him in repentance. He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. He is love but He is also Holy. Without Christ we have no hope of seeing a Holy God. But in Christ we are made new, and given eternal life. God is so good. But He is also just.

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Old 06-09-2011, 10:30 PM
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Who are these brave men and women from the OES? I mean, the men are by requirement Master Masons. The women are required to be related to a Master Mason, but are not entitled to anything in any other appendant order or anything from the Blue Lodge.

"Rainbow type groups"? Do you really know anything about the structure of the Masons? I mean, there is a group called Rainbow Girls, but they would know nothing of the mainstream bodies of Freemasonry. What do you consider to be the higher echelons of Freemasonry?

How is Freemasonry inspired by the devil? As for Bible references, the Good Book says that the wise man will keep a secret while the fool lets his mouth run.

Pride can be a good thing and a bad thing. Pride can make someone excel and do great things, but at other times it can inspire corrupt, horrible thoughts and actions. And I'm sure when you're talking about pride, you're talking about the Seven Deadly Sins, which actually are not found in the Bible. I'm skipping over a huge part of its history, but basically the 7 Deadly Sins didn't take hold until the 6th Century when enacted by Pope Gregory I.

I don't think he ever said that charity is exclusive to Freemasonry. No one has ever said that. Our charities do a lot of good work though as do most charities (Masonic or not).

I'm not going to say all Masons have, are, or will be good. Masons are still human and humans are flawed. Freemasonry has a penal system for punishing those who disgrace the Fraternity through their actions.

In the Lodge we use a generic term that to each Brother represents their individual creator as not all of our members are Christian. We don't use Christ's name specifically, but that is because we allow men of all faiths and in the Blue Lodge we don't elevate (nor do we say that everyone's God is the same or equal) any one religion over the other. Politics is also not allowed to be discussed within the Lodge as we want to keep harmony within the Lodge.

In the York Rite, we do pray specifically to Christ as the York Rite is for the most part a Christian-oriented branch of Freemasonry.

As for the "authentic Christianity" comments, but who are you to say what is in a man's heart and define their relationship with God. What authority do you hold for such a thing? No human has this authority to define my relationship with God.

Freemasonry is not a religion so it does exist for the salvation of your soul. It leaves that up to your individual faith.

The only darkness you hold is in regards to Freemasonry. Freemasonry never says you are in religious darkness.

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Meaning a person who has believed by faith that Christ was the Only Begotten Son of God, born of a virgin, who lived a sinless life, was crucified in our place and rose on the third day for the dead, then ascended to heaven after 40 days. Who then sent His Holy Spirit to dwell in the hearts and be in union with the spirits of those who have asked Christ to come into their lives, forgive their sins and regenerate them, imput righteousness by grace as a free and unearned gift.
I have never denied Christ or denied any of the miracles he did and has done.

God knows what is in our hearts and it is by His judgement not yours that I will enter into His Heavenly Kingdom.
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Old 06-09-2011, 10:45 PM
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Actually you need to say exactly where that is in the Bible.
I guess I'm not the one who needs to study his Bible more.

Proverbs 12:23 - A prudent man concealeth knowledge: but the heart of fools proclaimeth foolishness.

Proverbs 11:13 - A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter.

Proverbs 10:14 - Wise men lay up knowledge: but the mouth of the foolish is near destruction. (please note that "lay up" means to store for future use)

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The secretiveness of the organization is a mark of a cult.
You're confusing "secretiveness" with privacy, something everyone enjoys and has a right to. You even keep many things private, or secret, from others. That you cannot deny.

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However, there are enough men and women who have come out of it and shed light on much of what goes on that people can evaluate enough of it to know it is not of God.
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I am not a Christian, true or otherwise.

I do not belong to any religious group.

I believe in GOD and HE believes in ME!

That's all that is required.
I know you don't care what I'm about to say, but I can respect your belief. You're a strong willed individual who will no doubt live a worthy life.
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Old 06-09-2011, 10:55 PM
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Sorry BA, been up for some time now and meant to put that it does NOT exist for the salvation of our soul. We do prayers, but we are not a religion. We believe that all things should begin and end with prayer. Many groups, not religions, do prayers either at the beginning and/or end of the meeting/event.

Again, if there are some typos, it is because I'm extremely tired and have slept really crappy lately.
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Please do not quote two members within the same post.

Yes, you're absolutely right.

I am a strong-willed individual who is living a worthy life and I plan on doiing so for a very, very, very, very, long time.
Sorry, I won't do it again.

I'm off to bed now. The Tylenol PM is kicking in. I'll be back on in a few days. Tomorrow is some fun filled traveling.
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Old 06-10-2011, 12:16 PM
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I am not referring to you then. My concern is for people who are Christians, authentic ones, being sucked in and deceived by the quasi-religious group called the Freemasons.
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Old 06-10-2011, 12:28 PM
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God does love you, but He is Holy and none of us are completely Holy. That is why He made a way for all of the world, whosoever will believe, to know and when we die to live with Him. I am not deluded enough to believe that a completely HOLY God will accept me by my own merits. I am sure if I put my good works up to yours, I'd come out as worthy (in the way you look at it) as you are, if not more so, but the Bible says that my goodness is like filthy rags compared to complete Holiness, complete perfection. So He in His great love made a way for us, through the sacrifice of the one Perfect Lamb of God, Jesus Christ.
I realize that many people who are church goers and call themselves Christians are merely religious, which to me is the opposite of what authentic Christianity is. Christianity is different from all other religions of the world as it is a "religion" of done, where all others are the religions of doing.
Grace is something that exists in no other religious theology. God knows you and He knows you are like the rest of us, which is less than absolute perfection, fallible, and you have committed at least one sin in your life. God, according to his word does not compare us to each other, but He sees the heart. His standard is perfection. We can't reach perfection, but we can receive Christ who is our Redeemer the one who paid the price for our missing the mark of perfection through his death, and resurrection.
If I depended on the Lord grading me against other people and letting me into His perfect heaven, then my being there would make it no longer a perfect place, without Christ. Now I am clothed in the righteousness of Christ, by faith and that is the reason, I have been made, by grace, worthy to enter in.
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Old 06-10-2011, 12:37 PM
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I put absolutely no faith in my good works to make me worthy for heaven. I put my faith in Jesus Christ who is the perfect man, the perfect sacrifice, and who in His amazing Love has put or as the Bible says "Imputed" his Righteousness on me. That is the only reason that I am now by grace worthy of heaven. Jesus is the reason and the only reason for my salvation. The good works come out of my changed and renewed spirit. I was in darkness and now the Light of the Spirit of Jesus Christ lives in me and walks in me, and confirms that He loves me and has saved me by His grace, for heaven. It is so simple most men who see themselves as having to earn or merit heaven are absolutely hostile towards grace (merited favor). Grace is too easy, they think, they must work and merit being called worthy so Mason or not, it is all the same futile self effort, making ourselves our own God. Freemasonry and un-regenerated mankind are in the same boat.
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The Bible says different. That is not all that is required. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. So yes, He does love you, but believe in your worthiness through your good works, no, that is not true of any of us. The Bible says our good works are as filthy rags. Works done outside of our union with Jesus Christ. The mark of any cult is where they put Jesus. If he was just a good man and not God incarnate, then he couldn't be good since he said of himself that He was God in the flesh. so that would make him a liar and not good at all.. As far as him never existing. The fact that he lived on earth has been proved over and over. And for me, the proof is that I know Him from inside. He is my Savior and friend. He said of Himself in John 3 that He came into the world not to condemn the world but that through Him the world might be saved.
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Excuse me, but as you pointed out and as I have pointed out that which you have pointed out, Freemasonry is a religion.

Thanks for clarifying that for us.
I have not said that Freemasonry is a religion. I have never said that. It doesn't meet the criteria for being a religion.
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