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Old 04-24-2011, 07:53 PM
Chaser Tiponi Chaser Tiponi is offline
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"Add that to the fact that there are other "independent" studies on smoking that show it isn't bad."

Could you provide a link please? As I just stated to ihimself, 85% of lung cancer suffers smoke.....and you think that somehow tobacco is ok for you? Get real!
I would have to get behind the concept of chemical pollution in cigarettes. It's a widely known fact that they put a bunch of crap in cigs to make them more addictive.

For this reason there is absolutely no proof on earth that tobacco alone causes cancer? In other words there is no proof that the chemicals added are not the cancer causing agents?

In order to prove that you would have to research thousands of people who grew organic tobacco and used it solely through out their lives. Show me where this has been done to continue any kind of debate?

What has been proven is two very important facts that are relevant to this issue. #1: Most chemicals used today are by and large created from fossil fuels. Everything from that flouride that's so damn good for you to the round up product that when sprayed kills all vegetation for like a year.Just so there's no argument here I do acknowledge that other substances are also used in chemicals but the fact that we are exposed to so much of this crap is hardly debatable. #2: It's a proven fact that being exposed to said fossil based products over extended periods causes cancer. In fact there is normally a warning to this effect posted on most gas pumps that almost everyone should have noticed at some point or another?

Having said that who has proven that tobacco causes cancer? It seems reasonably clear to me that no one has?

I don't want to get off topic here but just wanna throw in this little tidbit. It seems like the FDA and other Gov. areas as well condone the poisoning of the masses with all this chemical crap. MSG, aspartame, flouride and the list goes on and on.

Would people be motivated to use tobacco in the excesses that they do without all this chemical crap in it? Is it possible that if the government quit molesting the industry it would by nature solve this health crisis with out further intervention?

I admit that while I can not prove my theory is true I find it doubtful then any objective person can prove that it is not?

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Old 04-25-2011, 02:17 PM
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Chaser said:

"For this reason there is absolutely no proof on earth that tobacco alone causes cancer? In other words there is no proof that the chemicals added are not the cancer causing agents?"

Your comment doesn't make any sense.
Hmmmm. It makes perfect sense to me but let me re word it.

The point I'm trying to make is "yes" it has been proven that tobacco PRODUCTS cause cancer. Let me be clear. I mean products that have all kinds of additives and chemicals added.

Is it these chemicals they add that cause the cancer or the tobacco itself???

It's been proven that smoking a pack of camels each day can and just might give you cancer. It has not however been proven that the cancer you might catch is caused by the tobacco in these cigarettes.

My point is chemicals like these are what give people cancer from smoking. Benzene
(petrol additive), Formaldehyde
(embalming fluid), Ammonia
(toilet cleaner), Acetone
(nail polish remover), Nicotine
(insecticide/addictive drug), Arsenic (rat poison). And almost 4000 other chemicals. Here is a link to a site that shows some of the chemicals added to cigarettes by tobacco companies. :The List of Additives in Cigarettes - Additives in Cigarettes

These chemicals are (in my opinion) what causes cancer and other sickness. Not tobacco itself. I hope that is clear enough for you to understand now?
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Old 04-25-2011, 02:55 PM
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It's also interesting to note that the reason cig companies get away with adding these chemicals to their products is because the FDA has approved them for use in food. I feel so much better knowing that after the very small amount of research I did to reply to this post I learned that Formaldehyde, Ammonia, Acetone, Arsenic and more are approved by the FDA for use in food. What's for supper?
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Old 04-26-2011, 03:26 PM
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I don't think you are certain of that which you write, therefore, the reason you end some of your statements with question marks.

Here, let me help you to clarify the point you are trying to make.

You believe that tobacco alone does not cause cancer.

You believe that the added chemicals increase the risk.

The same can be said about the food we ingest.
Yes, that is what I believe. I make statements w/ question marks only when said statement can not be verified as fact.

It would be difficult for a 41 year old construction worker like me to prove that smoking these chemicals causes cancer or sickness. And that tobacco does not. But from where I sit that is how it looks to me based on what Information has been made available to me in my life time.
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Old 04-26-2011, 09:25 PM
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@BA, Yeah the pharmaceutical industry is another great example. I would suggest that most of the crap they are overcharging us for could be remedied with less invasive and less expensive treatments, vitamins etc. My personal experience is that none of the pharmaceuticals I have used ever worked for me except pain killers. I mean they didn't serve the purpose they were intended to. I never needed pain killers for long periods but we all have heard how addictive they can be. The pharmaceutical thing is a gimmick just like all the other corporate gimmicks as far as Im concerned.

But any one of us could write a 500 page book on corporate greed and consumer abuse, but the elites who run those outfits seem to have an excuse around everything. And things they can't explain away they refuse to comment on or pay off higher ups to let them off the hook.

You have to question everything any more.
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Old 05-17-2011, 02:44 AM
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I won't make a compliant, the truth is always the way forward.
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:29 PM
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all of a suden tyhe gov of connecticut deems smoking is bad and decides to raise the price of buying smokes every tiimee somone dies from smoking.. people die from drinking to.. like liver malfunction due to drinking.. like they care.. when what they realy think is that smokers can be used as a nother way to get tax dollars. ciggarrettes are now 10 dollars a pack.. and more in some places. if half the usa smokes. the tobaco company pays tax. after we pay the tobaco company by buying smokes. aand every time somone dies. the price and tax goes up. f---ing blood suckers are geting tax money gained by somone dieing. and using smokers habit of smoking which is hard to brake.
I couldn't agree more! They are simply taking advantage for profits!
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Old 11-08-2011, 09:06 PM
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i have seen leaving the habit is much difficult task than any other.
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