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Old 07-15-2005, 02:15 AM
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This site is interesting.


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Old 07-15-2005, 06:30 AM
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What a shame...all we get to choose from are a neo pagan-psuedo Christianity into sodomy, or a dry and dead and VERY boring Protestantism which seems to have turned itself into a rock and roll/network marketing scheme. Promising salvation AND a good return on your investment.

Hmmmm...i pick...hmmm...

Is it possible we must have a personal relationship with Christ as the mediator to the Unknowable God? Cut out the middle man? ie: the priest? Then we can actually start doing Gods work and stop paying simple lip service? What are the tools then to hear Gods voice?

The old story...the young Rabbi says to the old Rabbi - "Old Rabbi, why does no one hear the word of God anymore?"..."Because my boy, no one will stoop low enough to hear it".

I wish Christians in general would take their service to God more seriously rather than the weekend sing song and behaving like glorified social workers.
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Old 07-15-2005, 01:03 PM
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Ah, pedophile priests who have been protected by the Vatican because they know they are in some cases sexual predators.

Men who have dedicated their lives to GOD and for some reason are prohibited from engaging in sexual activity. Would GOD want this? I thought we were suppose to propagate. This is what in the old days they told their followers, don't use protection. Propagate.

And, yet, they abstain from sex for all of their lives. Hmmm. I think this is against man's instinct, unless, of course, you are different and in some case prefer children.

MONEY, money, money from their worshipers!!

Ah, Catholic orphanages where mind control experiments were conducted on children.

Some of these priests devote their lives to GOD and do GOD's work, but abuse children in the process. They are men of the cloth, again, using God's name in vain to cover for their own immoral behavior.

The Catholic Church involves brainwashing from a young age and religious "mind control" over those who can't figure out what to do when there is a storm and the roads are closed. They need the news to tell them it's okay not to go to church.

Surely, you'll rot in hell if you take it upon yourself to conduct your life as you see fit according to your morals and principals which is what, I think, GOD would prefer.

You know, if it's snowing outside like 12 inches and the roads are closed, I think GOD would understand if you skipped MASS.

Pedophile priests who have committed horrible sins against children and belong to a place of worship where those who are members must go to confession to be forgiven for their sins by the same men.

Sounds like hypocrisy to me!!
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Old 07-15-2005, 01:36 PM
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And, yet, they abstain from sex for all of their lives. Hmmm. I think this is against man's instinct, unless, of course, you are different and in some case prefer children.
instinct is something that man has walked away from.

oh..and the Bible does say that a single celebate man will be able to get close to God then a married man..
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Old 07-15-2005, 03:23 PM
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This books seems to be the most amazing piece on the subject, co-written by 12 prelates - 11 remain anonymous while the other who stepped forward to give the book legitimacy is now dead (imagine that).

Shroud of Secrecy

Shroud of Secrecy offers an insider's account of intrigue, sex, and corruption within the Vatican. It is the first treatise of written protest from within the Church since 1517, when Martin Luther posted his historic 95 theses on a church door in Wittenberg, Germany. Written by a small group of Vatican prelates who call themselves the Millenari, its publication breaks a code of silence that has allowed impropriety and hypocrisy within the Roman Catholic Church to flourish.


This should give some here a clue...

Pope calls for a new world order


Tapestry in Vatican, with all seeing eye.

Other pics (good site):


Malachi Martin documents that a Black Mass was held in St Paul's Cathedral in 1963. During this heinous affair, several cardinals "installed Lucifer to his appropriate place" in the Vatican, as "head of the church."


Devil worship in the Vatican? Sinister and mind-boggling-but absolutely true. Here is evidence that the darkness and ravages of Satan worship can be traced right into the sanctuary of the massive St. Peter's Cathedral in Rome, the very heart of Roman Catholicism. These revelations of hard-core Satan worship, black magic arts, and cabalistic occultism among the Catholic hierarchy come not from Protestants, but from hight-level officials of the Vatican itself! These Catholic officials and priests are outraged that their church has been invaded by legions from hell and that top church leaders are active devil worshippers! They want their message out and pray that it is not too late.


For those interested in prophecy and Revelations this site seems interesting:

This sub-page draws a clear link between the beast and the Papacy:

It concludes:

Now who is the "beast?" What power:

1) Received its "seat" and authority from Rome. Revelation 13:4.
2) Rules the world for 1260 years (from 538 A.D. - 1798 A.D.),
3) Then received a "deadly wound!' which later heals. Revelation 13:3.
4) Is both a political and a religious power, which is worshiped. Revelation 13:4.
5) Tampered with God's law. Daniel 7:25.
6) Has a leader who claims to be God on the earth and to be able to forgive sins. (which is blasphemy) Revelation 13: 1.
7) Is a mother church (daughters have come out of her). Revelation 17:5.
8) Made war with the saints. Revelation 13:7.
9) Is a world power which is wondered at. Revelation 13:3,4.
10) Has "a man" at the head of it with the number of his name being 666. Revelation 13:18.
11) Has a dreaded "mark" which, if received, will cause a person to be cast into the lake of fire and lose eternal life. Revelation 14:9,10.

By now most of the people have guessed that it's the Papacy. They're correct. It's the only power on the face of the earth that fits all of the Bible characteristics for it.
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Old 07-15-2005, 08:32 PM
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Here's a little more...

The broken cross: The hidden hand in the Vatican


Is the Pope a Catholic?

The Satanic Bent Cross Crucifix
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