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Old 12-26-2004, 07:25 AM
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What terrific writing from you guys!, but I'll throw in my 2 cents. I suspect that eventually we will see a system that resembles Communism.. Where private corporations, owned by the elites own the nations of the world, and the governments they put in place will be run for their benefit. Everybody will work for the government.. essentially every man, woman, and child will be born into slavery to them, forever. Their leader is the Nameless One.

I refuse to submit to that kind of future.. We must resist it with every fiber of our being.. Using every creative means possible, to unveil the man/men behind this curtain of deceit.

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Old 12-26-2004, 09:39 AM
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That's what they envision and it ain'y what's gonna happen.

That is the illusion they are trying to bring into reality. It is not the only possibilty of our future and is not even the probablity of our future.

The pens they have created will be for themselves,perverted members of society as they are.

Truth always comes to light.
There is no truth in evil, only illusion.
Evil is the mirage they have sewn into the network of your mind.

See beyond the programming... envision that place in time where there is peace. Bring all senses into that picture in your mind. That is our future... that is our destiny.

The truth always comes to light and the day is always darkest before the dawn. Things are very very dark right. Just because a whole lot of people have not been able to truly recognize this fact, generally because they cannot face the demons they carry within.

Fear is a demon.

I do not fear these poor excuses for human beings. It is them who need to fear me and people like me who think and feel that same way about our children and the future... it is not open season on children... not while I live and breath.

I'm gonna tell and tell and keep telling until I am heard. God gave me a voice and I am going to use it. He's the wind in my sales and the beat of my heart. Christmas was most excellant this year.

Life is a choice, a focus if you will.

1.)Choose to place your energy and faith in someone else's ugly vision? No.

2.)Place my heart and my mind into a beautiful future for me and my kids where anything is possible and anything is achievable, given time and patience. These thoughts help to bring this future into my reality. That's the way my weird mind works. Of course, I get lots of curve balss and hurdles to stepping stones, hurdles to stepping stones, yada, yada, yada.

I will my mind to focus on the positive while still being able to percieve the negative. I see both sides of the coin, most of the time. I can pick up on the emotional flavour of the past and that gives mea feeling of potential possibilities for what's coming. I am very sensitive. I think it was due to growing up in a violent household or maybe that just amplified my receptors. I don't know.

Anyhow... I'm waffling.

Think good thoughts.
It will lead to peace of mind.
There is always good to be taken out of any bad situation. Always.

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Old 12-26-2004, 10:51 AM
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Thanks Maryx.. You are right, I will put on my rose colored glasses and think nice thoughts about the future on this lovely day of The Lord.. Who knows tomorrow the world might blow up.
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Old 12-26-2004, 11:27 AM
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No sable, that is not what I meant at all.

I do not wear rosy glasses. I see far too much; much more than I want to, and that is for certain.

I am also capable of envisioning better things for my future and the future of humanity. I believe things are possible in my life and they happen.

I believe that a more positive outlook is needed.
Otherwise, we are defeated before you even start.

I don't understand why everyone has lost hope and are ready to just give up. I really don't. Why does it have to be their way? Because he who holds the gold makes the rules?

I live my life by my rules. I wouldn't do many things that would break their laws anyhow, and, the things that I do that do break their corrupt laws I will stand up in court and defend my actions to.

That's just me.

I feel like everyone is buying into the future they are being sold. I feel like everyone is wearing these dark shady glasses that replaced their rose-colored ones.

Just my perspective. I appreciate what you have said and I believe I understand. Maybe I believe that God can achieve anything through us, if we believe. Naive or stupid, you can call me either one and I am who I am and I believe what I believe.

I don't expect anyone to see life the way I do. We've all walked in different shoes. I have just found my life is a lot sweeter and far kinder when I appreciate the good things and focus on the good things.

In my experience, when I focus on bad, that's what I get... more bad.

When I focus on good, I still get bad and the good just seems so much better.

I know I am different from most and I don't expect to be understood. I rarely am. I usually feel like I'm speaking some foreign language, that people just don't get.

What I like about life most, is being myself. I'm a simpleton huh? I like being me. I like who I am. Ilike my life. I like looking on the bright side.

I see so much dark. I sense it everywhere. These days, being sensitive generally sucks. The good vibes I find are few and far between. You are a good vibe sable.

I wish you could feel the happiness that life gives me. Maybe then you would understand why I can percieve things the way I do.

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Old 12-26-2004, 12:09 PM
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i have always wondered what the world would be like if usery was illegal.to me it's all about control.debt is a way of control.it's a tool.
in another x years you can rent your house from the nwo.no more private property.just look at the farmers around the world.more and more debt,and at the end they end up selling to the goverment.land is what they are after.just like the roman catholic church in the past.
the elite think that they are right with their plans and have the right to use whatever it needs to complete these plans.it's a bit like killing one to save the others.they really believe this.
they use the good arguments{like population control}and combine them with their own ideas{control}
just thinking about italy,population contol?yes.control by the rc church?mmmm,yes
if you don't agree with the nwo they will trace you down and you will disappear overnight.imho this is already happening
keep them poor,dumb,and occupied. :-)
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Old 12-27-2004, 08:01 PM
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In my view, Limits to Growth is not a call for vigilance in our growth and use of world resources. It is a justification to craft the world structure according to the desires of a few men.

Rampant consumerism and exponential growth are ills of the current economic/tax structure created by the same men that would create the limits of growth.

Nonetheless it is an interesting discussion and I enjoyed the input of the contributors to this thread.

Just a few points of correction John. Keynes was never the defender of the self-regulatory economy rather his theories were based upon interventionism to regulate the economy and are employed by most governments of today with a central bank. Also David Rockefeller was JDs grandson. The son of John Jr. I liked your quote from Rockefeller which put him squarely in the camp of communism. His octupus trusts and foundations in society that are involved in its engineering are a web that rival the wonders of the world.
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Old 12-28-2004, 05:15 AM
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I just want to add something about Keynes.

For example, In my opinion (of course I could be wrong) Keynesian system is inherently incapable of allocating available liquid funds among firms and activities in the society according to considerations of efficiency, productivity and growth.

Just consider this -as far as I know according to the Keynesian theory every businessman would estimate the marginal efficiency of investment MEI ( while the interest rate is determined by money demand and supply) and if
(MEI) is equal or greater than interest it will be rewarding to borrow and finance the investment project. Otherwise the project will not be undertaken.
Accordingly, available money for lending will be allocated efficiently among firms and activities.

In my opinion this Keynesian theory is wrong and we see it in practice.
Let’s say for sake of simplicity that interest measures accurately the opportunity cost of money available for lending in the credit market, and that a uniform interest rate is applied by banks (lenders) in all cases of borrowing. Hence investment projects for which (MEI) below interest will be excluded.

On the other hand all projects fulfilling the condition MEI greater then intererst will find excess to loanable funds without any preference given by banks (lenders) to projects with relatively higher (MEI).

Therefore in a Keynesian free market economy we can not claim that loanable funds would be optimally or best allocated in this way.
(theoretically speaking only interest-free financial institutions that would aim at maximizing their “interest free” revenues would give preference to projects with higher (MEI) over other projects with relatively lower MEI).

Investors with projects satisfying the (MEI) condition and seeking interest-based finance are not treated equally by banks (lenders),in a free market economy as we have simply assumed.
Large corporations are given priority and better borrowing terms, irrespective of how funds will be used by them. In fact banks (lenders) are concerned, above anything else, with borrowers solvency. Hence, preferential treatments and financing priorities are set by banks on credit-worthiness basis. Consequently small enterprises are either neglected or given least attention by bankers, even if their investment projects are expecting highest returns.
The problem of small enterprises is quite serious in the developing world..

"Surveys indicate that less than I% of small firms in developing countries obtain credit at controlled rates from financial institutions; the remainder rely on the informal sector. The combined net effect is to raise their capital costs and reduce their ability to compete against large firms", according to W.B (I987). In fact failure of small businesses to obtain finance from banks have forced them quite frequently, in the absence of equity finance, to borrow from money lenders in the informal market at very high rates of interest. So they have jumped from the frying pan to the fire.

A study concerning the informal credit market in Peru mentioned that interest rate in that market was as high as 800% - I000% per annum sometimes in the mid 1980s. Todaro, M., states that "commercial banking system of many LDCs restricts its activities almost exclusively to rationing scarce loan able funds to "credit-worthy" medium-and large-scale enterprises in the modern manufacturing sector. Small farmers and indigenous small scale entrepreneurs and traders in both the formal and informal manufacturing and service sectors must normally seek finance elsewhere sometimes from family members and relatives, but more typically from local moneylenders and loan sharks who charge exorbitant rates of interest.
And so on, and so on.
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Old 12-28-2004, 06:44 AM
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Keynes isn`t so easy to understand. He says that economy is self-regulatory but he says not that it should be 100% independent from the citizen`s control (the state-control). This is not the theory of the "hidden hand" proned by Adam Smith.

The intervention of the state is necessary at the level of the Central Bank. We see today how a privte owned Central Bank system is social destructive. See my posts on this topic.
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Old 12-30-2004, 06:51 AM
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What terrific writing from you guys!, but I'll throw in my 2 cents. I suspect that eventually we will see a system that resembles Communism.. Where private corporations, owned by the elites own the nations of the world, and the governments they put in place will be run for their benefit. Everybody will work for the government.. essentially every man, woman, and child will be born into slavery to them, forever. Their leader is the Nameless One.
Resembles communism you say that is not commmunism!.
That is Monopoly capitalism you are describing the kind of system that ultra capitalist like Market libertarians and classic liberal advocates in the Adam smith school of economics would like to see. It is hadly socialism in any shape or form i think a few of you need to read up on ideologies a little more :-?

Also many of you believe keynes represents monopoly capitalism while this may have been so for his time what do you think an economist like Friedrich Hayek or Milton Friedman represent now they sure as hell dont represent small scale enterprise.
Infact if you readup on Adam smith classic liberalism or political economy of Market libertarians it always involves Global monopoly capitalism. What do you think your President is giving you right now.Are you stupid enough to call that Socialism too really very odd?
Get educated people in your understanding of ideology and economics!. :-?
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You know,it is strange,even to me (and I realized this tonight)that only a day before Tsunami catastrophe in South East Asia I posted my thread:

"LIMITS TO GROWTH"-GENUINE WARNING OR "SCIENTIFIC" JUSTIFICATION OF THE NWO AGENDA

THIS IS OPPORTUNITY FOR NWO OPERATIVES TO START THEIR STRATEGIC DEPOPULATION AGENDA SPRAEDING VARIOUS VIRUSES IN THE AREAS WHERE THEY DELIVER
HUMANITARIAN HELP"

Just think about following words from this book

"What will happen if growth in the world's population continues unchecked? What will be the environmental consequences if economic growth continues at its current pace? What can be done to ensure a human economy that provides sufficiently for all and that also fits within the physical limits of the Earth?
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