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Old 03-30-2006, 10:47 PM
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Default Re: Bible Study - Let us ponder together

I shall quote myself:

So the "NIV" replaced "Lucifer" with "morning star"... and it is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR who this "morning star" truly is... Christ!
In saying this, (I could have been more clear) I was merely trying to point out the deception in the NIV... but with the hope that this was not done as a "deliberate" act, I went on to say:

An odd transliteration... I believe this was simply intended to convey the true motivation of "Satan" himself - to be Christ. Sarcasm in biblical proportions if you will. One should perhaps use caution when associating the name "Lucifer" with "Satan".
I say this because of an ongoing scholars debate on this as a reference to the King of Babylon.

The distinction is rather clear. There should be little confusion. Having said that, I am not recommending that anyone refers to "Jesus" with the name "Lucifer".
So, yes... I could have been a little less vague though responsibility comes with discussing these topics doesen't it? I would hate to mistakingly mislead someone. Way I see it, anyone who doesen't check these things out for themselves is doomed in so many aspects in life. This is true of your churches and priests as well... and if they themselves don't invite and welcome you to validate their teachings then in my opinion, they are acting irresponsibly.

Lucifer is a Latin word made up of two words, lux (light; genitive lucis) and ferre (to bear, to bring), meaning light-bearer. Lucifer appears in Greek mythology as heosphoros, the "Dawn-bringer"; it is used by poets to represent the Morning Star at moments when "Venus" would introduce distracting imagery of the goddess. "Lucifer" does not appear in most modern translations of the Christian Bible. "Lucifer" is Jerome's direct translation in his Vulgate (4th century) of the Septuagint's Greek translation, as heosphoros, "morning star" or "Day Star," literally "bringer of the Dawn", of a phrase in Isaiah 14:12, where it is used to refer to the Babylonian king by one of his popular honorific titles. From the viewpoint of the 5th century Christian tradition, Lucifer is seen as having been second in command to God himself; he was the highest archangel in heaven, but he was motivated by pride and greed to rebel against God and was cast out of heaven, followed by a third of the host of heaven. In later Christian tradition and folklore, Lucifer was identified explicitly with Satan. Such beliefs are thought by some to be contrary to Jesus' teachings, and to exalt Satan and Lucifer to positions and powers not supported in the Bible (see below). Modern concepts of Lucifer and Satan come from embelishments in fictional works like Dante's The Divine Comedy and Milton's Paradise Lost, rather than Biblical sources.

-taken from wikipedia

I agree sticking with the KJV is indeed the best way to avoid this alltogether! Confusing indeed... but actually not if you read all versions in proper context. The truth speaks for itself.

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Old 05-28-2006, 06:25 PM
sablefish sablefish is offline
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Hi Barbara.. I am one of your fans.. Good on you for asking a question.

My answer to that is that: It's all a bunch of hogwash. The meaning of Christ has been hidden by the "Church" thru the last few thousand years in order to not only grab the money of the suckers but also their souls.. (If there is such a thing)

Sons of God.. No mystery at all.. There were 23 angels.. a third of them fell from grace toward earth.. Let me get my calculator out.. Duh.. 7 point 666. I wonder which one of the Angels was only missing a third of his/her program.

Most of the other Angels.. sons and should be daughters of God.. were expressing the different attitudes of God.. The attitudes of man on this dump called Earth.

Some of the Angels were selling "repentance", another was selling "long suffering"

Jesus was selling "Faith".. Satan was selling "Fear"

The whole problem of religion is beginning to look like an exercise in some kind of super symmetrically to me. I think when we die ..We die.. Just like our dogs and cats do. And the maggots eat our flesh like they should.

And yet there is something else going on.. There are too many paranormal events happening.. It seems like perhaps Religion and miracles are the result of an attitude of faith.. or fear.. that perhaps shakes the dimensions we think are real into a dimensional shift and a new universe is created to accommodate the shift.

Perhaps Fear creates a cascading effect and results in it's realization.. The same way that Faith affects events.

I believe religion abandons the sciences and mathematics we know nothing about.. And yet their are 11 dimensions out there.. Waiting for us to understand them.

I wish that religions and science would come to the conclusion that they are talking about the same thing .. but in different languages. Religion is just a misunderstanding of the science of “Our Being The Human Race.. And yet I like dogs and cats and monkeys and viruses and all the rest that comes with the package deal… I like Earth.. How about YOU?
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Old 05-30-2006, 01:07 PM
Bouncer Bouncer is offline
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I liked my old pair of faded Levi's, but they wore out. A new pair just isn't the same. The Earth is "wearing out" and one day will not support life. So, a new Earth will be ready for us.

There is a group of scientists who believe that the human mind is nothing more than a collection of electrical impulses; they put on amazing demonstartions with electromagnetic devices, etc., to elicit all kinds of weird sensations and thoughts in experiments, thereby supporting their theory. They reject the existence of the human soul and by extension the whole spiritual realm altogether.

But as you say, there are too many things "going on out there" for this to be true.

Superiority of body or intellect matter very little in relationship with God; I would posit that a childlike faith and trust in a REAL God is a good beginning! It is a matter of a SOUL'S relationship with another SPIRIT, and so cannot be governed by the empirical things of worldly Science.

God spoke to all of us deep in our hearts when we were young, so maybe this is a reference to those times: "Souviens-Toi!" :-)
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:21 PM
KennyWally KennyWally is offline
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Anyone else here, have an early memory, prior to being born? Nope, not kidding...

I've had this memory, but yet, I don't recall anything from when I was an infant!

My memory goes as follows, I was soaring, flying around in an area of darkness, kinda similar to the feeling you get if you've ever left your body while sleeping, but I can't say for how long exactly, but it seemed less than a minute.

The next thing I know, I was shown that cameras would be everywhere, then the next thing I remember was a loud noise. But it was more like a bang with vibrato to it, similar to the sound of a JAKE BRAKE on a semi!

[ If you've ever been on the hwy and a truck nearby used one to slow down, you'd never forget that sound ]

Except that, instead of the noise slowing down, like on a truck, it was speeding up, as if something was coming closer to me that was gonna hurt me. I was scared after that, and it was right after I got frightened, that I recall being escorted to a point where I didn't want to enter, it is were we go to come here to earth. [ don't ask me how I know, I just know ]

I was fighting it, I didn't want to come, because I knew I was going to be hurt here. Needless to say I lost the fight.

This is not something that is easily discussed with people. When the thought resurfaced in my head every once in a while as a child, I didn't know how to discuss it with my folks . I was trying to figure out what it meant, but I'd get frustrated, then think of something else and forget about it.

After puberty, the memory went into hibernation until when in my thirties, I heard a news report about they were working on closed circuit cameras to be put in public places in the UK, and the cameras would be everywhere! And BAM !!!!, just like that, it came flooding back into my mind, and again, I wasn't sure what it meant for me, but I was sure it was a message, maybe a mile marker of sorts. I should say, that I wasn't yet saved. I still had not yet discussed this with anyone. I wasn't really sure how to go about it. And I suppose I figured that most would say I was confused and that it was really a dream and to forget about it.

It wasn't until the year after my father died and 911 went down and I got saved, did I mention it to my mother. I've been studying The Word and the scumbags of this world ever since. And that noise, well, I think that is the last thing I'm gonna hear, before going to the next world.

Things are rarely as they seem on the surface
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