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Old 01-11-2005, 07:42 PM
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Hey Draken, if you want to list happy go lucky films and TV shows that have nothing to do with NWO, start it on another thread! :-x

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Old 01-12-2005, 12:33 AM
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I know - I WILL!

It's funny though to notice that writing from Sweden in the evening hardly anyone is online, but then suddenly waking up (like now) the next day you guys have been very active on something I wrote a long time ago! :-)

But this is the Opinion forum isn't it? So really one should be able to talk about anything, no?
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Old 01-12-2005, 01:02 AM
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Looks like we have to put some "Gremlins" into the NWO system, if this is the case.

Hell, the NWO controls the Media, movies is just another form of media.
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Old 01-12-2005, 02:22 AM
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Yes, movies is always manipulation. But there are rare examples where that "manipulation" is positive, like Tarkovsky's Stalker, for example.

Tarkovsky's work in general is of this higher level, I think.

There really are not many film directors who have this higher, symbolic aspect of filmmaking, which was really my goal when I tried to get people to name some good films...
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Old 01-12-2005, 04:26 AM
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Draken makes a good point, even if we are going a little off-point.
There are the occasional good, well-made, morally uplifting films that sneak through Hollywood's filters.
For instance, very few people are probably aware that Paul Hogan followed up his first "Crocodile Dundee" film with a delightful religious comedy called "Amost an Angel"; or that one of the best films ever made about the civil rights era was a 1963 b&w release called "Shame" with William Shatner. Yet one can track the enduring appeal of this underrated and underpromoted films through their persistent video sales and rentals, reruns on cable televison, etc., and realize that there is a spiritual hunger within the moviegoing public that the mainstream entertainemnt industry ignores and neglects -- probably on purpose.
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Old 01-12-2005, 08:33 AM
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If any of you guys come across a Swedish film called "Songs From The Second Floor" by the director Roy Andersson, be SURE you see it. It actually won the Jurys' Prize in Cannes 2000, and until then I didn't have a clue that this guy existed in post- postmodern overtly socialist, covertly communist Sweden.
One of the judges of the jury said in an interview about this film: "I've never seen anything like it in my entire life!"

Incredibly, Roy Andersson has spent most of his life making commercials, although of a fantastically high standard contentwise. He incorporated the abuse, torture and murder of American prisoners used in medical and mind control experiments by Big Business and has also used his knowledge of the HIV/AIDS hoax in his commercials. He has made 3 (!) feature-length films in his entire career which spans at least 25-30 years. His latest film "Songs..." he financed totally himself and spent, if I remember correctly, 10 years writing and perfecting.

When you see it you'll understand why I think this is an incredibly important film to include under Anti-NWO Films.;-)

This film DEFINATELY slipped through the Swedish censors' fingers...:-D
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Old 01-12-2005, 07:04 PM
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Peace Draken,


I for one has seen alot of good movies like, "Hurricane" or "Malcolm X".

But that was long time ago, now i question the very idea of movies!

Movies are based on lying, an actor is literaly a liar (ofcourse many are well meaning though). But my religion encourages truthfulness.

So i think if there should ever be movies, they should be educational, God-centered, and more importantly with the actors talking to the audience frequently to remind them that it is not real.

When we accept a lie as real, we are also taking reality as a lie. Thus scenes of war, crime on the news become more acceptable day by day.


P.S: To madkhao, i was replying to nomad, not to you.


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Old 01-13-2005, 01:46 AM
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Hey Ahmad,

I assume you're talking about mainly American film, judging from your examples.

American cinema is totally focussed on making it look like real life; realism or naturalism. Cinema can be so much more than that. Unfortunately people tend to judge cinema according to "The Hollywood" Standard.

When cinema is used in a beneficial way actors and directors are not liars; they tell the Truth. For example, I love Shakespeare. He tells the Truth, that's why he's so good.

Look at the beginning of Hamlet, The play within the play, where the actors are instructed by "the director" Hamlet to tell the story of the poisoned King (his father). They are telling the Truth. The point is to see how it makes his uncle, the usurper of the throne, react. Of course, confronted with the Truth the uncle freaks out and loses his head - he reveals himself.

THAT is what theatre, film and acting SHOULD be doing!

The present situation where the State controls the Arts (which I wrote about on the Freemasonry forum) is catastrophic, but it doesn't have to be that way.

Cinema can be done in so many more different ways than what the amateur manipulators in Hollywood manage to sqeeze out - it's pathetic. Cinema should be CINEMATIC, theatre should be THEATRICAL and opera should be OPERATIC.

I remember earlier you and I talked about what you call Submission (Islam that rejects every islamic writing except the Quran, am I right?). Within Islam there is an esoteric current called Sufism. They are, described very simply, believers of The One and Only God, but they express their belief through poetry, music and dance. They are true artists; what Western actors, directors and artists SHOULD be!


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Old 01-13-2005, 03:55 AM
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Peace Draken,

Let's go back some centuries ago when there was no art called "acting", what do you think made its inventor come up with this idea?

Why would anyone try to change his nature, embrace some other personality and start "acting" as if it was himself!

In Japan, the idea of acting have extended to the real life, it's a dominant culture, it's called "the honne, the real self" vs "the tatemae, the alter-self" which is what one projects to the others!

This ulter-self in my belief is the Jinn-companion who is the source of evil ideas in our minds, when this Jinn take over control of us, we naturally act, because we are not supposed to be controlled by the Jinn.

I have always wondered why people act! (in reality), specially TV announcers, telephone operators, even cashiers act like robots! in an emotionless, dead way.

But now i know that it is their companions who are running the show, God calls such Jinn-controlled human beings, "Liars" because He designed the human body to be controlled by the Human being with the Jinn-companion subservient.

Anyway, what i want to say, even if the cause is just and honorable, still the actors have to change their real selves "honne" and reflect some other self, which normally extends to their real lives.

Do you think there is a way to act without embracing some other personality?

I believe there can be some new art, (maybe there is already!) where the actors speak with the audience and explain their ideas before demonstrating it, so that the people will not buy fiction for real.

I believe also that many actors are drawn to this art because of trying to evade their reality, same like those who escape to the fantasy lands of video-games, movies, comics, celebrity life, weird fashions, tatoos, plastic surgery, and even sex change!. Ultimately Satan wants to distort God's reality into his own fictious reality (fantasy).

No insult intended, but do you think opera is a natural art? why is it overdramatized and exagerated?

As for the sufis, i don't believe in their artistic religion, it lacks the reverence of God.
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Old 01-13-2005, 04:09 AM
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Acting was invented by cave men, maybe even earlier. How do you think thoughts were communicated before people had a defined language? How did a father explain to his son how to kill his dinner? He probably went through the motions as a lesson, or rather a rehearsal, as to what was coming . . . he was telling a story of how to kill his dinner for that night.

Well, today it has become distorted . . . I don't think it's too hard to ACT in and of itself . . . because its a story. I do admit, most stories are crap these days, but ultimately, the whole purpose people go into it is for attention. They either crave attention where they get none . . . or they crave more attention than they are recieving. "Hell, I was the most popular guy in my school when I got the lead in the school play . . ." a friend of mine said, pursuant to his first attempt at an acting career, "Chicks dig actors." (what a bonehead.)

I think for guys it starts as a way to get laid . . . for girls it starts as a way to gain popularity. Either way, I don't think that actors hate their lives, so to speak . . . And I don't think that they want to get away from reality . . . I think they just want the attention from all the people in the world. If you notice, most actors who are famous are quite inhumanly attractive (and some only think they are) and they get REAL insulted when you don't recognize who they are . . . In all honesty, I think the real motives behind actors are along the lines of, 'Love me Daddy/Mommy'

But, of course, this is not the case for all . . . I'm talking about the REAL famous and MASSIVELY egotistical of them all. Ya know, all the real DRAMA QUEENS.

But hey, I could be wrong . . . so what? They're only actors and the more attention you give them the more power they gain. Just like teeth. . . ignore them and they'll go away.

ADDITIONAL THOUGHT:
Acting is simply a more glorified version of playing make believe . . . as kids we played make believe in order to help prepare ourselves for life . . . playing house, exploring different jobs (cowboy, policeman, fireman, etc), even if all of this was a fantacy standard, in this way, it is a building up of the self through role models and real life situations. Like the monkeys that mimic their parents . . . or something like that.
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