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no, but why don't you, before wasting my time & insulting my intelligence by implying I'm a naive person that believes everything he reads.

"Do you believe this purely because you read about it somewhere?" -

- You must've read that somewhere, LOL, do you actually believe that making such a statement is constructive thinking? (Unless one is referring to people who take every word of the Bible literally).

- I will not allow a post I created with the initial purpose of expressing my pleasure in finding a forum where I had thought there would be like-minded people to share my website with become an argument, let me make this clear:

- Regarding people's inability to grasp the info about Reptilians: It's far out, until you look at the true historical accounts of FACTS, such as the Sumarian tablet translation definitely without a doubt describes how extraterrestrials manipulated & hived amongst them. - But go ahead, don't look at the information that is clear as day, & continue to say it's 'the Jews' or whatever, & you'll be arrested for hate crime & being antisemitic . By the way, I posted a (long, but very good video, why don't you check it out)? - And it's not Just David Icke saying this; Look at:
Credo Mutwa: Zulu Shaman on Reptilians in (historic) Africa

If someone threw a glass of water in your face, you would be certain there was liquid in the glass, & if people called you crazy for believing it, especially after you bust your ass to work all week to pay electricity bills needlessly, & must use ALL your free time to attempt to get this all out to the general population (in an understandable, convincing manner) before it's too late! Furthermore, I refer to the book 'the Biggest Secret' because it documents historical FACTS that prove the unbelievable, & it's a shame that too many people don't even open the book, (or EBOok) because the level of ignorant snickering is too loud, & they can't hear themselves think, that is, assuming they had a genuine desire to find out what is really going on in the first place. - It's the same thing with UFOs... - But that's changing.

Oh, & something else you should know:
Skeptic - One who practices the method of suspended judgment,
engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity.

In conclusion, to answer your question with one word: No.
- (I heard about it, Watched videos, & have done extensive research because I didn't believe someone saw GW Bush shapeshift into a reptilian either at first, & I wanted to see if it was really true, while the majority of people are doing what I'd rather be doing; Playing video games, etc.)

A study of Replians
genealogical history of people in power + reptilian - Google Search

PS: Sorry for being a little harsh, I'm just sick of struggling to maintain my credibility.
Take care mate!

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Originally Posted by BlueAngel View Post
You perceived my question as an insult to your intelligence.
All it required was a simple yes or no answer.

Do you believe in the reptilian theory purely based on something you have read somewhere or do you have factual evidence of this theory that you could share?
Sorry, but it just seemed that way, I mean, .... (It's not an opinion or theory though) - And with a statement lingering like that, it does make me look stupid, to those new to conspiracies. - So I do have to make it clear. Just look at this, for starters, sumerian tablets - Google Image Search

(Pasted from a PDF entitled):
Reptilian Research Archives

What do the following names all have in common: Dennis Brunnell, Stan Deyo, William
Cooper, Bill Hamilton, Val Valerian, 'Commander X' and Robert Lazar? They all allege that the
following scenario is a reality... Ever since the so-called "end" of the NASA moon shots the
U.S. "secret" government has been involved in covert manned space exploration of this solar
system utilizing super-advanced technologies which are so revolutionary that the secret
government has chosen to tell the public little or nothing about it. Some of these sources even
claim that an inner core of this "secret government" have in the past worked hand-in-claw with
a race of hominoid-sauroid reptilian beings who have given these humans "elite" technology
and power (over their fellow man) in exchange for certain powers and influences which this
secret government or "serpent cult" gave these reptilian beings over the masses of humanity.
There are allegedly other human groups, native to earth and much more ancient, who left this
planet in ancient times after obtaining similar technologies. Some of these ancient and modern
groups "sold out" to this reptilian race in exchange for technology, while others developed such
technologies of their own initiative (as in the case of many of the human "reptilian" races who
are often referred to as the "Nordics").
As for the covert space operations that are being carried out by various top-secret
organizations within the U.S. government, they are based on a combination of
"reptilian" technology recovered from numerous crash-retrievals of aerial disks, while
other aspects are based on prototype and state-of-the-art Military-Industrial
technologies developed by well-known U.S. companies. These advanced technologies
include anti-gravity generators and electromagnetic propulsion systems and massive
top-secret space efforts which have largely been financed through deception and
through hundreds of billions of dollars which have generously (although unknowingly)
been provided via 'Black' budgets by hard-working American taxpayers.
Dennis Brunnell, a 33rd degree Mason and a Grandmaster in the Ordo Templi Orientis
(O.T.O.) had become "dis-illusioned" by the Illuminati's present activities. Originally
believing that the Illuminati was a mystic lodge designed to illuminate one into mystical
heights of ascended awareness, he eventually learned that such metaphysical talk was
just so much hot air designed to gain the willing assistance of lower-ranking "lodge"
members, who were unknowingly being manipulated into serving the hypocritical, selfseeking
and self-serving imperialistic goals of a relatively small inner core of
"illumined" members.
Some years ago a man by the name of John Todd, a member of a family who were
high-level and generational members of a druidic witchcraft cult, alleged that through
his occult contacts he was chosen to be initiated into a deep-level Illuminati lodge. He
claimed that in doing so he had to "unlearn" much of the wiccan philosophies which he
was taught at a young age. These occult teachings were merely a means, he soon
found out, of this inner core of initiates to control the lower ranks of the lodge. This
inner core, which consisted of 13 individuals, were (he claims) THE LEADERS of all
the large wiccan/witchcraft organizations AS WELL AS the leaders of World
Freemasonry. These men controlled BOTH movements from their lofty positions, along
with much of the world's drug trafficking, and had powerful influence in world economic
and political movements. Mr. Todd soon learned that this inner core were continually
fearful that the lower-ranking members of the occult societies would turn against
"them" if the lower members ever found out that this inner council were merely using
these "lower pawns" to increase their own wealth and their god-like power and
authority over the rest of humanity. The Rothschilds of London, he also learned, were
at the very heart of this conspiracy, along with the Jesuits in Rome. The Rothschilds
were considered to be "human gods" by many occultists and, according to Mr. Todd,
were in constant communication with "Lucifer", who they themselves considered to be
god. There are also indications, as we will give later in these texts, that they were/are
also in contact with the serpent race as well, which would make them an integral part
of the "serpent cult".
Dennis Brunnell, John Todd and in fact millions of former Communists, realized that
there was an incredible contradiction between what these world socialists were telling
their "followers" and what these inner elite were actually practicing. The connection we
make between Illuminism and Communism (which is still very strong in mainland
China) is no coincidence, as both are socialist movements. Also, according to wellknown
geo-political analysts such as Dr. John Coleman, Karl Marx himself had known
ties with 33rd degree Masonry and the Jesuit Order. As for John Todd, he later
"defected" from this secret lodge after he "suggested" to the other members that in
light of recent events the prophecies of the Bible should be studied. Their answer to
this, he claims, was a murderous stare from most if not all of the other members of this
council of 13. He believes he was lucky he got out of there alive. These men,
apparently, did not even want to consider the possibility that the Holy Bible could be
true, for they knew well enough that it was against every imperialistic and deceitful
practice that they were involved in. John Todd later became a Christian and spoke to
various audiences around the country until, according to some sources, he was later
Brunnell alleged that some within the Illuminati were so heartless as to believe that
their socialist "World Order" must be brought about even if the orchestrating of wars,
etc., had to be accomplished in order to create the conditions necessary for
establishing it... or, in other words, that the end justified the means. These lost souls
were and are apparently convinced that they have the divine right to decide the fate of
nations, and that the masses of humanity exist for no other reason than to serve their
cause. They consider themselves "gods" and the rest of humanity as "mere mortals".
So much for the end-result of the false promise that was given to man by the serpent
race as revealed in Genesis chapter 3, which was that men could be as gods, and that
the creature could be independent from or equal to the Creator. The serpent race knew
full well that the dis-connection of man from their trust and reliance in the Godhead
would result in lost power and dominion over the earth and the beasts, including the
serpent race, and as a result the reptilians could take control of that which mankind
forfeited, including man himself! Since that ancient time the saurians have been able to
find those among humanity who would be willing to believe their false promises in
exchange for temporary physical gains.
One of Dennis Brunnell's "Gemstone" research papers (which also described the
Mafia-CIA-oil company connection to the John F. Kennedy assassination, confirming
the original "Gemstone" reports of Bruce Roberts) included a scenario developed by
Kissinger and other Illuminists in the early 1980's or before. This scenario showed one
such proposed plan as to how war could be used to bring the United States - the last
obstacle standing in the way of absolute Illuminati rule of the world - into subjection to
the one-world Socialist state. This scenario, possibly one of many developed, was in
the form of a speech given by a U.S. president. George Bush was sited as a very
possible candidate to this "speech" (This was years before Bush became vice
president, which suggests that Brunnell was in fact tapped-into some very sensitive
information). It was basically written as a possible emergency address to the nation
which would supposedly take place after years of American involvement in an -
Illuminati orchestrated? - war in the Middle East. The scenario continued as "the
President" informs the nation that, due to the long drawn-out (Korea/Vietnam like nowin)
war which has depleted our national resources, a certain Executive Order was to
be issued for the "good" of the nation which would result in practically ALL PRIVATE
AGENCIES coming under the absolute control of the Federal Government. In short,
according to this scenario, if such a plan was carried out then the entire nation could
be brought under absolute socialist control in one night.
Such a scenario may not be too far-fetched when we realize the following:
1) George Bush was, during his years at Yale University, initiated into the "Skull &
Bones" society, also known as the "Brotherhood of Death". According to prominent
political and financial analysts such as Antony Sutten, there is much documentation to
suggest that Skull & Bones is nothing less than a Western branch of the Bavarian
Illuminati, designed to recruit highly-educated individuals into serving it's cause;
2) George Bush served as THE DIRECTOR of the CIA for several years, which,
according to various sources, is actually serving the one- world movement;
3) Bush has very close ties with one-world organizations such as the Council on
Foreign Relations or C.F.R., Federal Reserve, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergers,
Alpine Institute, etc.;
4) Before Ronald Reagan "chose" a running mate, according to the late Gary Allen, he
was approached at a political convention by the duo of Walter Cronkite and Henry
Kissinger, both alleged Illuminists, and "strongly encouraged" to choose George Bush
as his running mate as Bush was well-favored by the International Banking
Establishment of Wallstreet;
5) The Bush family is very rich and are heavily involved in high-profit, offshore oil
drilling companies.
6) Also, when news of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait - where the Bush family's oil
business had some vested interests - reached America, George Bush was at the one-
world "Aspen" Institute of Colorado visiting with Margaret Thatcher. Bush's decision to
rally the nations together by sending our young men and women to fight and die for the
"New World Order", was based on "advice" he received from officials at the one-world
Aspen Institute. Although "Operation Desert Storm" was a well-planned and well
master-minded attack, the fact nevertheless remains that we were fighting to defend
the "New World Order" and the oil interests (whereas we only get a very small
percentage of our oil from Kuwait) and not to defend the constitutional United States.
This war was a two-sided event. Even though the motive may have been other than in
harmony with America's best interests in that (like Korea and Vietnam) it was fought
FOR the Socialist-oriented United Nations; some good nevertheless came out of it, in
essence, that America was able to defend ISRAEL from an aggressive enemy,
something which Almighty God most likely honored. However the target, Saddam
Hussain, escaped free while tens of thousands of his subjects, so many pawns in a
huge game of chess, had to pay the price with their lives. As the Word of God says,
"evil shall slay the wicked" (Psalm 34:21). This may in part apply to Iraq, the land of
ancient Babylon (the ancient city where the one-world movement and all occult
movements had their genesis) which in a strange twist of fate was "judged" by the very
oppressive movement which it created. Notice also Bush's constant references to the
"New World Order" - a concept which is a mockery of the Declaration of
INDEPENDENCE which our forefathers shed their blood to defend. True, we must as a
nation not ignore the rest of the world, yet at the same time we should not surrender
ourselves to the rest of the world either, but preserve the American Republic as a
bastion of Freedom to which the oppressed of ALL NATIONS can take refuge.
The reason we are so critical of this particular presidency is because we believe that
the secret government - utilizing it's influence in mass-media control, MANIPULATED
Bush into office in a direct perversion of the electorial process. In other words, through
the fantastic media power which they wielded, the one-worlders snuffed out the
competition. We realize that it is Biblical to honor the governing officials, yet this is only
to the EXTENT that the governing powers submit to the Almighty governing power of
the Universe, God Himself. Elijah criticized the ancient King Ahab for this very reason,
because he was leading the nation of Israel astray into Baal worship. Unfortunately,
King Ahab and George Bush may have had a lot in common. We would rather hope
that the opposite were true, but facts are facts. However, we must not fall into the trap
of pointing the finger at any one person, as Bush happens to be only one link in a very
large and very powerful "secret government" chain which, as we have seen, has sold
out much of this planet to "The Beast". Bush, like many misled "insiders", was no doubt
largely a product of his environment, as well as a member of a generational
"Establishment" family, and more-or-less a puppet or voicebox of secret government
policy. This fact should be taken into account, as well as the fact that the major
"enemy" is the draconian influence as it exists in and behind the secret government
There were, nevertheless, less-than-honorable motives on the part of the United
States in it's decision to fight in the Gulf War (see: YOUTH ACTION NEWS - Oct.
1990., Box 312., Alexandria, VA 22313 - this source gives much evidence that Bush
and Company more-or-less "encouraged" the Kuwaiti invasion and, when faced with
irrefutable proof that such an invasion was coming, did absolutely nothing to warn the
Kuwaitis or the Iraqis against such an invasion. Was Bush and Company willing to risk
the lives of thousands of people just so his One World Government could be
established and a "trial run" of the global U.N. Police Force could be initiated?).
According to Dr. John Coleman (World Intelligence Review., Box 426., Metairie, LA
70004), the ancient Babylonian Serpent Cult, or what is known today as the "Illuminati"
(33rd degree Freemasonry) is under the direct control of some very nefarious forces.
Coleman in fact provides much evidence that 33rd degree Masonry has been used not
only to infiltrate and take over many political, economic and religious institutions, but
has also been used to "create" such institutions as well, organizations to which people
will flock and submit their power and energies to unknowingly serve an agenda that
they know nothing about. This was and is carried out through the 22 "Palladium"
Lodges which, according to various sources, can be traced back to the Grand Masonic
Lodge in England. According to Coleman and many others, the Grandmasters of
Masonry AND of Jesuitism (ie. the Illuminati) are working together in this conspiracy. In
many cases the individuals involved are both Jesuits AND Masonic initiates. Such was
the case of Guisseppi Mazzini, who was a Jesuit-Mason, and a satanist-witch to boot,
and was second-in-command to the Masonic "Pontiff" Albert Pike - whose rotting
remains now lie beneath the "House of the Temple" in Washington D.C. (see Dr.
Other works that may be very revealing along this line, as we indicated earlier, are the
writings of former 33rd degree Mason and former Past Master of all Scottish-Rite
Masonic bodies, the Rev. Jim Shaw. This is especially true with his book THE
DEADLY DECEPTION (P.O. Box 884., Silver Springs, FL 32688). In this work Mr.
Shaw exposes the blatant SERPENT worship secretly taking place within the Masonic
HOUSE OF THE TEMPLE in Washington D.C. Mix this with the accounts of "Masonic"
street-outlays built into Washington D.C. itself and accounts of tunnels beneath the city
which connect many of the important Federal buildings and which allegedly extend to
extreme depths and distances, then you have a recipe for something very strange and
sinister which is undermining our nations capitol. No wonder the Christian-Patriots
within the American Republic have had to fight "the enemy within" for so long with so
little apparent results from their efforts.
Concerning Bush's one-world policies, we will quote here from a few letters to the
editor which appeared in various issues of the UTAH COUNTY JOURNAL, as
confirmation of some of the statements which we have previously made. One letter,
appearing in the April 30, 1991 issue of the U.C.J., stated:
"Editor: The April-May '91 issue of COMMON CAUSE reports that the first successful
exploration for oil in Kuwait was done by the Zapata Oil Co., of which current President
George Bush was a founder and director. The President's son, George W. Bush, is
now the third largest insider stockholder in another off-shore oil drilling company
located in Bahrain, 15 miles from Saudi Arabia. This is Harken Energy Corp., with its
home base in Bedford, Texas.
"Does this information explain the Rambo-like "hurry up" war in Kuwait? Does it explain
marked shifts in acceptance or castigation of Saddam Hussein? Does it offer an
explanation for the terrible destruction of the Kuwait oil fields and Persian Gulf waters?
Do these two leaders really have the welfare of their respective peoples at heart? I
would give anything to read one of the history books on this war written 25-50 years
hence. - Eugene J. Faux; Provo."
And in the Feb. 26, 1991 issue of the same publication:
"Editor: In the Feb. 12 issue of the JOURNAL an obviously well-intentioned lady
suggested that we pray for President Bush because he has 'awesome responsibilities.'
"He has, indeed, many awesome responsibilities: a responsibility to uphold and defend
the U.S. Constitution; a responsibility to weed out those in our government who, by
intent or neglect, work to undermine the Republican form of government given to us by
our founding fathers; a responsibility to tell the American people the TRUTH about the
incredible, rapidly escalating national debt and what the debt will mean to our children
and our children's children 'unto the seventh generation' and beyond. He also has a
responsibility to expose the hypocrisy of those who are working diligently to bring
about a new constitutional convention, supposedly to propose one or two new
amendments, while they already have entire new constitutions written and waiting. -
Albert V. Burns; Spanish Fork."
Another letter which appeared in the UTAH COUNTY JOURNAL during the Bush-Iraq
controversy, Mar. 5 1991 issue, stated:
"Editor: Mrs. (Colleen D.) brought up a very good point about my criticism of George
Bush and his New World Order agenda. Rightfully, as a leader of a nation, he might be
considered exempt from censure for any mistakes that he might make through
oversight or a lack of proper information. Unfortunately, this is far from the case with
"Sadly, the president is very cognizant of his actions and exactly where these actions
are speedily leading us - to a world government ruled by elitist insiders. History can
conclude nothing less than this result. For a complete analysis of Bush, his political
history, and his leadership of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral
Commission, I enthusiastically recommend the new book on George Bush - THE
ESTABLISHMENT MAN, available through The John Birch Society.
Well documented, this book will put to rest any remaining praises for our chief
"In fact, my critique of the executive is founded upon my patriotism, not turning against
it. President Teddy Roosevelt stated: "Patriotism means to stand by the country. IT
It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic
not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his
duty to stand by the country." As Bush has repeatedly violated his oath to defend the
Constitution, I will continue to patriotically reproach his intentions.
"As for being in the White House when Bush sent National Security Adviser Brant
Scowcroft and Deputy Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger to Beijing immediately
and secretly after the Tienamen Square massacre, no, I was not present when he
made that call. That's why we have the press. The White House announced that such
was the case on Dec. 18, 1989, to anyone listening. Such betrayal of freedom-fighters
is par for the course when we look at Bush's policy toward other people seeking liberty,
but receiving only his true objective: World despotism in his New World Order. - Bruce
J. Martin."
In relation to the above concern of whether we should unquestioningly trust our elected
(?) heads of state, it is interesting that of all the presidents which have been in the
White House since the assassination of John F. Kennedy (which many allege was
actually an Illuminati-inspired coup), EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM have been
supportive of the one-world government movement as it is incarnate in the Council of
Foreign relations and allied global organizations. Coincidence?
Finally, we have this letter from the September 18, 1990 issue of the same publication:
"Editor: In his September address to the nation, President Bush stated his five
objectives for the massive deployment of U.S. troops. The fifth is the fundamental
reason for this operation. As Mr. Bush stated himself, "The crisis in the Persian Gulf,
as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward a historic period of
cooperation. Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective - a new world order - can
emerge... We are now in sight of a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its
"The U.N. 'founders' included U.S. communist traitor, Alger Hiss, who was the acting
secretary general of the conference in San Francisco in 1945. Hiss was accompanied
by a contingent of U.S. communists and a swarm of Council on Foreign Relations
members. The communists wanted world government by revolution and the others
wanted it by way of socialism. In either case, these individuals did not want national
sovereignty of the kind fought for by our founding fathers.
"The fundamental difference between a "new world order" under the United Nations
and an independent United States are nowhere more clearly indicated than in our
DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE affirmation that "men are endowed by their
Creator with certain unalienable rights." The UN's total exclusion of God means that
rights do not come from God, (but) that they proceed from government, and
government can and will take them away.
"Our country has suffered in the past from U.N. decisions and action. U.N. advocates
gave away all the gains our fighting men bled and died for in Europe and Asia after
World War II. We fought Korea and Vietnam under U.N. sanction and command with
victory denied even though over 100,000 men lost their lives and hundreds of
thousands were wounded (in addition to this, several sources allege that communist
nationals working within the U.N. constantly betrayed U.S. positions and strategies to
their allies in North Korea, and repeated this betrayal during the Vietnam conflict as
well. It is a fact that the MAJORITY of the "United" Nations Secretary Generals have
also been communist nationals - Branton). Nixon and Kissinger operating under "new
world order" dictates gave South Vietnam to the communist enemy after our military
fought so valiantly even with the treasonous restrictions imposed on them.
"Now, George Bush wants the men and women of our armed forces to die... for the
new world order... George Bush's drive for a "new world order" is not worth ONE
DROP of American blood. But blood we shall have until we once again elect
constitutionalists to office instead of one-worlders. - Mike Thomas; Pleasant Grove."
The January 26, 1990 issue of THE NEW FEDERALIST revealed even more about the
Bush - one world connection. In his article, BUSH'S CHINA POLICY: SKULL AND
BONES, Joseph Brewda writes:
"Jan 19 (EIRNS)--An obscure secret society known as "Skull and Bones" may have
more to do with George Bush's obsessive support of Beijing's mass murderers than
one may think.
"Skull and Bones is a secret fraternity at Yale University which is restricted to a mere
fifteen student members per year. The society was formed in 1832 by General William
Russell, whose shipping firm later dominated the U.S. side of the China opium trade.
Yale University was founded by Eli Yale, who made his fortune working for the opium
smuggling British East India Company.
"Skull and Bones became the recruiting grounds and preserve of the most important
New England-centered families--families who also made their money in the opium
trade. These families, whose sons regularly join Skull and Bones, include the little
known, but powerful, Coffins, Sloanes, Tafts, Bundys, Paynes, Whitneys. They are a
dominant element of the U.S. 'Eastern Establishment' to this day. The Bush family is
one of a cluster of lower-level Establishment families controlled by these interests.
"What has this to do with Bush policy towards China--or for that matter, Bush's "War on
Drugs"? (Note: the last television news reporter to ask Bush a critical question
concerning the many narcotics agents who are complaining about how bad the "drug
war" was going, was promptly fired from his job shortly after the press conference -
"George Bush, the first U.S. diplomatic representative to the People's Republic of
China back in 1973, was a member of Skull and Bones. So were his father, brother,
son, uncle, nephew, and several cousins. Winston Lord, the Reagan-Bush
administration Ambassador to China was a member; so were his father and several
other relatives. James Lilley, the current Ambassador to China, was a member of Skull
and Bones, as was his brother. Except during the Carter administration, every U.S.
Ambassador to Beijing since Kissinger's deal with Mao Zedong was
a member of the same tiny Yale cult. A mere coincidence?
"MAO WAS A YALIE - Back in 1903, Yale Divinity School established a number of
schools and hospitals throughout China that were collectively known as 'Yale in China.'
It has since been shown that 'Yale in China' was an intelligence network whose
purpose was to destroy the republican movement of Sun Yat-sen on behalf of the
Anglo-American Establishment. The Anglo-American "Establishment" hated Sun,
because he wanted to develop China. On the other hand, they loved the Chinese
communists because they intended to keep China backward, and were committed to
growing dope. One of 'Yale in China's' most important students was Mao Zedong.
"During World War II, 'Yale in China' was a primary instrument used by the U.S.
Establishment and its Office of Strategic Services (OSS) to install the Maoists into
power. 'Yale in China' was run by OSS operative Reuben Holden, the husband of
Bush's cousin, and also a member of Skull and Bones.
"The Maoists made China into the world's largest opium producer.
"'Yale in China' was also closely associated with the New York-based Union
Theological Seminary, which has been a center for U.S. subversion of Asia (literal
wolves in sheeps clothing - Branton). Every prominent radical leader operating in
Korea today, for example, was trained at Union Theological. Union Theological was
dominated for twenty years by Henry Sloane Coffin, a U.S. intelligence executive from
the Sloane and Coffin families. He was a Skull and Bones member as were a dozen of
his relatives.
"Nor should it be forgotten that Averell Harriman, the former Ambassador to Moscow
who did so much to build up the Soviet Union, was a member of Skull and Bones.
Harriman was also a business partner of Prescott Bush, Sr., the father of Maoist
enthusiast George Bush."
Note: This Skull and Bones - Communist connection is also confirmed by geopolitical
and economics researchers such as Dr. Antony Sutton (Sutton's books may be
obtained through THE PATRIOT REVIEW., 33836 SE Kelso Rd. #6., P.O. Box 596.,
Boring, OR 97099; OR via THE MIDNIGHT MESSENGER., P.O. Box 472., Altadens,
CA 91001). Not only did the Skull and Bones (Western Illuminati) help to build up the
Communist movement in China, but they gave considerable financial aid to the Soviet
Union communists as well. According to Sutton, this power cult has for centuries been
playing a "two ends against the middle" type of game, attempting to control America
(the thesis) and Russia (the anti-thesis) and other countries or movements, carefully
pitting them against each other at the lower levels in order to keep the populations of
the world in a state of confusion and despair, to the point that they will - hopefully -
resign themselves into accepting the New World Order "synthesis" as the only
alternative to solve the very "problems" which THEY, the New World Order initiators,
created in the first place!
One startling, though documented, claim which Mr. Sutton makes is that the Nazi
Movement was largely financed by the Skull and Bones - Illuminati as well. This
connection was recently described in a mailer describing Val Valerian's book MATRIX
III (c/o Leading Edge Research., P.O. Box 481-MU58., Yelm, WASH 98597). Part of
this mailer states:
"Interspaced with the material comes a host of data, supplementary material,
interviews, and revealing information. The 'Final Scenario' is discussed relative to the
New World Order and the plans for total economic control, a one-world religion, and
the electronic mind control objectives, schools of thought, and research. MATRIX III
brings out in detail how various families in the United States and Europe are also
involved in a scenario which has as its main tenet the suppression and elimination of
human beings on many levels - a scenario which includes worldwide traffic of drugs,
vast laundering of drug money by national banks of several countries, and
assassination and murder. These are the people who arranged and supported all the
wars. There is discussion of the Bush family, and how Prescott Bush assisted the
finance and management of the Nazi empire - the so-called Hitler project..."
Much of Valerian's writings are very well-documented and can be followed-up, yet the
only criticism of his work which we have deals with the fact that, we believe, he has
placed too much confidence in so-called "channeled" revelations as sources of
information. We believe, based on past experience and research, that much of the
information received through so-called "trance channels" should be discarded for
several reasons:
1) Such information is often self-contradictory.
2) Channeled revelations often contradict "revelations" received through other
3) There are supernatural beings inhabiting the aerial realm whose very purpose and
"assignment" is to counterfeit "divine" revelation in order to spread propaganda,
confusion or mislead the seeker from the truth. This is often, we have found,
accomplished by offering the seeker a substantial amount of "truth" in order to uphold
one strategic lie.
4) Channeled information in most cases cannot be followed up by physical
documentation or evidence.
5) There are many indications that non-human beings, both supernatural and reptilian,
are utilizing occult channels in order to carry out propaganda warfare against those
who possess the truth. As we will see in later writings there is also much evidence that
these reptilian beings have utilized witchcraft and occult movements (ie. the serpent
cults) since the earliest times in order to further their reptilian cause.
In relation to the Bush - Establishment - Serpent Cult - Reptilian connection, we will
now quote from an article which was submitted by one of our researchers. This article,
written by a Gerard Van der Leun, appeared in the Nov. 1990 issue of Penthouse
"Dear Reader: It is a well-known fact that:
"1) The government has approved and entered into a secret treaty with an reptilian
"2) The government, with this treaty, has traded human lives and property (in the form
of livestock and land) for reptilian technology.
"3) The government has murdered, incarcerated, forcibly relocated, brainwashed,
coerced, drugged, harassed, and otherwise interfered unlawfully in the lives of patriots,
including a president of the United States, who have attempted to expose this murder
and treason.
"4) In pursuit of bringing all those responsible for these acts to justice, the following are
hereby charged with conspiracy, murder, and treason: the Trilateral Commission; the
President; the Vice-President; the director of Central Intelligence; certain other
members of the CIA; the director of the National Security Agency; members of the
Cabinet; the Joint Chiefs of Staff; the director of the Senior Interagency Group (SIG);
the national security adviser to the President; and the Navy Department which has field
operation control of all reptilian-connected projects. It is expected that many others
who have taken part in the joint government and reptilian conspiracy will also be
charged with conspiracy, murder, and treason. This list will include all those who
served in the aforementioned positions from 1953 up to and including the present
administration. (Note: Since many of these individuals are merely "following the orders"
of the elite insider groups who are ultimately controlled by the Jesuit-Masons; the
GRANDMASTERS of Jesuit-Masonry, the inner Illuminati or Serpent Cult, should be
indicted as the major traitors against the human race. Many of these Jesuit-Mason
leaders are members of the ancient generational families who have controlled the drug
trade, manipulated wars and revolutions in their favor, and have infiltrated the
economic institutions of the world. They have no fear of divine retribution because they
believe in no god other than themselves - Branton)
"5.) We call for the impeachment of the president of the United States, George Bush.
As president and C.E.O. of Zapata Oil, Mr. Bush organized and has headed the
narcotics-smuggling conspiracy since its beginning. The off-shore oil platforms of
Zapata Oil were used as staging areas from which drugs were moved into these
United States without passing through Customs or undergoing inspection of any kind.
We firmly believe that George Bush now heads this shadow government that controls
the reptilian technology, the military-industrial complex, and thus the nation. The fact
that he is now the president of these United States of America makes George Bush the
most powerful and dangerous criminal in the history of the world."
Note: Where does all this ill-gained money go? According to many sources, much of
this as well as the multi-billions in "Black Budget" monies provided by the taxpayers
pours into the insiders' relentless and secret efforts to construct underground as well
as off-planet (Moon, Mars, etc.) places of refuge where the secret government
members and their families will escape to in the event of a global manmade or natural
catastrophe. How thoughtful of us "mere mortals" to give our wealth and even our very
lives just so that the "immortal elite" can survive to usher in a "New Age" on planet
earth... This reminds us of something the 33rd degree Mason/O.T.O. Grandmaster
Dennis Brunnell said:
That the creator of the James Bond movie "Moonraker" had inside knowledge of the
secret government's end-time plan, and thought that it would make a great movie. But
as they say, Truth is even stranger than fiction.
The modern secret societies which are being manipulated by the infernal reptilian
races are apparently extensions of more ancient societies who were also manipulated
and influenced by these subterranean creatures. Several ancient races in fact believed
in the existence of an "underworld" inhabited by serpent-like beings possessed with
supernatural powers. Many of these mis-guided souls even worshipped these
creatures, not so much out of adoration, but more out of fear or terror. Human
sacrifices were even offered in an attempt to appease the destructive influence of
these "demon gods", and temples and shrines were often built over or near caverns
which were regarded by these superstitious people to be openings to this nether world.
One such shrine is located several miles southeast of Oaxaco, Mexico among some
very ancient ruins. Among these ruins lies the ancient temple of "Mitla". Various
accounts allege that in ancient times this temple descended deep underground into a
basement, a sub-basement, and an ultra-sub-basement level. Within this third sublevel
a large stone door was said to have concealed subterranean recesses beyond.
According to the late subsurface researcher Charles A. Marcoux, as well as the
anonymous U.S. Intelligence worker "Commander X", and others, the native Indians of
the area centuries ago used to sacrifice humans to the underworld "gods" that were
believed to exist within the dark caverns beyond the stone door. These victims were
allegedly thrown into these dark chambers alive and were never seen again.
Some centuries ago some priests arrived in this area of southeastern Mexico and
commenced to explore the ruins, including the ancient Temple of Mitla. They managed
to pry open the door in the third basement level and entered the underground
chambers beyond. Torches in hand, they continued deep into what seemed to be an
endless subterranean concourse leading in the direction of a distant mountain range.
After penetrating a considerable distance they became fearful as they noticed serpents
slithering among the rocks off in the darkness, they would see strange shapes and
shadows among the ancient stone pillars which lined the concourse, eerie noises and
winds began to blow through the large passage, and a they were overcome with a
general feeling of fear and dread. Convinced that they were on the outskirts of Hades
itself they made a hasty retreat, after which the Priests sealed the door and ordered
the natives to fill-in all three basement levels with rock and earth, completely
concealing all evidence of the subterranean connection.
Another such account involves the ancient Greek "Temple of Apollo", in Hierapolis
(now Pamukkale), Turkey. This city was once part of the ancient Grecian empire,
which covered an extensive area in and around the Mediterranean sea. One article
which appeared in the January, 1989 issue of OMNI Magazine, referred to strange
disappearances which had taken place in a cavern adjacent to this now broken-down
temple. The article quoted from the writings of the ancient Greek philosopher "Strabe"
(who lived between 63 B.C. and 24 A.D.), to the effect that animals would often enter
the cave and never return. Also MANY PEOPLE throughout history who went past the
mouth of the cave never returned. The article also quoted one Sheldon Aaronson, a
professor of microbiology at Queens College, N.Y., who told OMNI that several
Australian students had entered the cave and disappeared just a few days before his
visit in 1987. Sheldon stated: "The Turkish government put iron bars over the opening
to prevent other people from ever going in. As far as we knew, the Australians were
never seen again."
According to the article, the Greeks believed that the cavern was an opening into the
"land of the dead ruled by the gods of the underworld." As for the possibility of an
underground subterranean "world", science tells us that the lowest depths of the earth
(upper and lower mantles) contain temperature and pressure extremes so great that
physical life could not possibly exist there. Some however believe that there is
evidence for the existence of a vast global network of geothermal and hydrothermal
cavities, somehow connected to the ancient deluge wherein the "...fountains of the
great deep were broken up". This allegedly occurred as magma-heated stratas of
subterranean water-filled caverns (brought to enormous pressures by an expanding
and over-heated mantle) suddenly burst through the crust (Gen. 7:11) like a
tremendously large exploding pressure boiler. Some claim that the underlying basaltic
rock layers within these gigantic global aqua-systems were dissolved into these global
subterranean reservoirs as their temperatures and pressures increased. Afterwards
these vast amounts of water exploded to the surface, thus explaining why the oceans
now contain large percentages of "salt". These underlying chambers, many of which
collapsed yet many of which remained intact, are believed to exist throughout the
moho and crustal regions of the planet, just above the upper mantle.
If evidence of ancient sunken continents ever becomes irrefutable, then such a theory
would explain why whole island-continents may have collapsed. Such a cataclysm may
have resulted from the possible fact that huge underground chambers, no longer
supported by these subterranean waters, suddenly caved-in on themselves. Other
higher-level cavities created through seismic activity may also exist, cavities which
may dwarf the Flint Ridge-Mammoth Caves of Kentucky or New Mexico's Carlsbad-
Lechuguilla cavern system. It is suggested that THESE may contain conditions
sufficient to support physical life (ie. air, water, subterranean flora and fauna, and
perhaps even electromagnetically-induced illumination diffused throughout the
underground "atmosphere" through a phenomena somewhat similar to the effect
produced by the Aurora Borealis or "Northern Lights").
As we've said, there are literally hundreds of accounts which seem to support each
other (we will attempt to describe as many of these as we can in future documents),
suggesting that the above scenario or theory of a subterranean realm is a correct one.
These accounts also suggest that antediluvian "Adamic" races, sometime before their
destruction, possessed the ability to construct and excavate vast systems of
underground tunnels connecting many of these natural cavities. Scientific discoveries
including "ooparts" (out-of-place-artifacts) also prove that the pre or ante-diluvians
were much more intelligence and scientifically-advanced than most think, although of
course many accounts state that this intelligence became corrupted, leading in part to
their own destruction. Theologically speaking, the Bible indicates that the Adamic
races achieved complex forms of scientific invention only a relatively few generations
after man was established on this planet. For instance, Genesis 4:22 indicates that by
the time of Tubal-cain, 7th generation AFTER Adam, complex iron and metalwork,
including no doubt increasingly complex forms of weaponry, were being produced.
When we take into account the long life-span of these ancients, which was on the
average of 500 years or more (Gen. chapt. 5) and the time-span between Adam and
Noah, and compare this with the fact that modern man himself has gone from the
horse-and-buggy to interplanetary travel in LESS THAN 100 years, then such a
possibility seems even more apparent. Also, Adam was no doubt formed by the
Creator as a perfect "prototype" human being. Of course he would have to be very
intelligence in order to carry out the purposes which the Creator charged to him - ie. to
name and identify all of the animals and trees, subdue the planet and become it's
guardian, care for his wife and so on.
As we've indicated, after mankind's fateful encounter with the serpent race and our
progenitor's unfortunate response to the subversive strategies of the Reptilians, man
lost much of the original supernatural dominion which he possessed over the earth and
over the (by that time self-corrupted) serpent race. The war between the humans and
the saurians had begun, and according to many sources (many of which, as we've
said, we will describe later on) man was forced to defend himself from these reptilian
predators. Some sources believe that this was one of the major reasons why the
Adamic race initially began, when the technology was developed to do so, to build the
ancient subterranean systems. In these they would apparently be safe from the
saurian predators as well as from other human races with whom they might have been
in conflict. The serpent race won this battle however in that they were able, through
manipulation, to turn these antediluvian human races against themselves to the point
of almost complete destruction. At this point we will quote from one of the many
sources describing encounters with what may very well be a remnant of this
antediluvian "tunnel" network. The following account was given in a letter which was
submitted to AMAZING STORIES science fiction/science fact magazine, Dec. 1946
issue, p. 162. The letter was from a George A. Lehew of (at the time) 1918 W. Newport
Ave., Chicago, ILL. Lehew wrote:
"Sirs... I have been a reader of AMAZING STORIES for a very long time... I too, know
of one of these entrances into the world below. It is about fifty miles south of
Pittsburgh, Pa., in the first range of the Allegheny Mountains. My experiment with the
caves have been only partial explorations, consisting of traveling about a mile and a
quarter down into the cave itself, and returning. The cave IS VENTILATED from below,
and stays at a constant 50 degrees no matter what the outside temperature may be. It
is a series of rooms or galleries with narrow passages from one to another. In about
the sixth room down, there is a large tree trunk which could not have come from the
surface as the stratosphere (sic) is almost completely free from local fault; and it could
never have come DOWN through the openings in the cave itself as they were small at
the top, and kept getting progressively larger as they got deeper.
"I traveled down as long as I could find comparatively easy travel--about 45 degree
descent all the way--and finally came to what I thought must be the end of the cave, for
I could see no more openings into rooms, but on closer examination found instead a
bore, about six feet across, straight down into solid rock. I turned my flash downward
and could see that it must have gone straight down for at least a hundred feet, the
sides were perfectly smooth, and the shaft, or bore, in a perfect round--no apparent
irregularities anywhere--I had no way of descending any further, so I retraced my steps
back up through the different rooms to the top of the mountain where the cave opens
into this world. I made discreet inquiries of several old timers in that region, and found
that in 1915, or about that year, six surveyors took gear and equipment, and spent a
month in exploration of the cave, going 18 miles from the entrance, and down almost
five miles below sea level. I have never gone back, but I hope to some day in the
future, with escort, equipment, and supplies. I'd certainly love to see the machine that
made that bore! If you have any information on other caves in that area, let me know--
they too may tie in with this one, though if they do, their connections are very deep.
Also, if you can, please describe the equipment that made that vertical shaft. Oh, yes,
one more interesting item--the surveyors in their exploration of the cave, distinctly
heard the rumble of MACHINERY--but their calculations proved they were nowhere
near a large city (surface), and they were too deep for surface noises otherwise. What
is the answer?"
Another account dealing with subsurface phenomena and creatures appeared in the
June, 1945 issue of AMAZING STORIES, in a letter submitted to that magazine by
Jerry LaPriore (at the time) of 2024 Pleasant St., Fall River, Mass. The letter stated:
"You asked for stories that might relate to... the caves. My mother was told this story
by an old man who said it was true as truth itself: This man and a friend were hunting,
agreeing this time to go to a portion of the wood's to which they did not normally go.
They saw a deer and gave chase. It jumped through a clump of bushes and they
followed--to find themselves unaccountably in the strangest surroundings. They were
in a huge cavern that had numerous passageways leading from it. Before them was a
monster-like man they thought was the Devil himself. The monster stared, and the two
men stared back. One of them fainted from fear, and the man who told my mother the
story dragged the other away in panic, and as he did so, found himself just as
mysteriously in the forest again. The old man's friend died a week later as a result of
the shock he had suffered. The old man tried later to find the cave again, but failed. I
know this story is true because my mother does not tell fairy tales and because she
believes it."
The previous letters appeared in the wake of the so-called "Shaver Mystery" which
occupied the pages of AMAZING STORIES Magazine throughout the years 1945-
1950. The "mystery" was based on the writings of a welder by the name of Richard S.
Shaver, who had written several admittedly science fact-fiction stories after his initial
manuscript A WARNING TO FUTURE MAN (which was re-written into "science fiction"
format by A.S. editor Ray Palmer) originally appeared in AMAZING STORIES. These
stories dealt with an underground world inhabited by human-like people called "Tero's"
and their mortal enemies - grotesque, inhuman creatures called "Dero's". Both of these
"races" allegedly had access to ancient "recovered" technologies including a machine
which supposedly projected encephalographic thought-waves via rays electronically
over long distances. Richard Shaver claimed to have visited this subterranean realm
only once physically - entering via row-boat through a shore-side cave hidden in a bay
somewhere east of Washington D.C. Incidentally, as we've indicated elsewhere, there
are accounts which allege that an entire system of ancient "Atlantean" tunnels with
extremely hard, glazed linings have been discovered beneath the D.C. area, and that
these ultimately lead to an ancient "Atlantean" subterranean complex which some say
was in ancient times, and is still now, known as "NOD" - could this be a reference to
the descendants of Cain? - see: Gen. 4:13-16 and also the book "WEIRD AMERICA",
by Jim Branden., (E.P. Dutton & Co., N.Y. 1978).
Shaver claims that while visiting his "Tero" friends in their underground city they were
suddenly and without warning attacked by a group of several "Dero" who wielded
beam-like weapons, yet Shaver himself for reasons unknown was spared. After the
attackers left, and after he realized that all of his "friends" in the underground city were
dead, Shaver allegedly then left the subterranean realm the way he came and never
physically returned. This was the only physical and tangible encounter Shaver claimed
to have had.
After this, he says, the "inspiration" for his stories came in the form of messages
received from these "thought-projection" machines. His stories, however, became
much more confused and occultic after this, and even anti-Christian in nature.
Although we certainly do not doubt Shaver's former sincerity (he passed away in the
mid-1970's) nor his intentions, from various indications we must make the definite
conclusion that the "voices" which he heard thereafter did not originate from the
"tero's" utilizing thought-projection machines but actually from sources far more
infernal, and perhaps reptilian, in nature - which were in fact masquerading as "Tero's".
In other words - not denying Shaver's original encounter - the powers of darkness, we
believe, began manipulating Shaver in order to spread confusion and disinformation
about this underground realm and it's inhabitants, the reality of which (if we are to
believe certain sources referred to earlier in these reports) was beginning to become
known by certain groups on the surface such as secret societies, deep-level
government agencies, and people such as George A. Lehew, Jerry LaPriore, and
hundreds of others who were having physical encounters or knew of physical
encounters with the outskirts of this "nether" world. Could this have been the reason
that "they" spared Shaver? Is it possible that they cunningly intended to use someone
to spread false information about the subterranean regions when in fact that person
actually believed in the "information" he was receiving?
We in all fairness must state that Shaver accuses RAYMOND A. PALMER of taking his
writings such as the original "A WARNING TO FUTURE MAN" (describing an imminent
invasion of the surface by a malevolent subterranean race) and "rewriting" it in the
form of the novelette "I REMEMBER LEMURIA". Shaver alleges that Palmer took his
writings and expanded them into a science-fiction-occult format so that the original
essay would be acceptable to his science-fiction audience and gain wider exposure. If
this was the case then Palmer and Shaver's plan may have backfired since many misled
souls, aware of the basic truths of the cavern world, began flocking to AMAZING
STORIES, believing every word of Shaver's re-written stories. Even though Shaver
was apparently convinced that the stories he received via mental projection or the socalled
"thought-machines" were true, they nevertheless contained many occultic,
confused and contradictory ideas even before he sent them on the Palmer. However
Palmer must also be implicated in this if Shaver is correct in his allegations that Palmer
"occultized" his writings even more, and that Palmer also added the idea that the
stories were based on "racial memories", among several other alterations. Perhaps
Palmer was the one most responsible for squandering what might have potentially
been a singular opportunity to educate the masses about the underground realm and
the activities taking place there, and the affect some of that activity had upon the
every-day lives of surface humanity. How much of the present travesty taking place in
the government-reptilian scenario might have been avoided if the uncorrupted TRUTH
were known in the 1940's when the "Shaver Mystery" was hitting the news-stands and
moulding the thinking of literally tens of thousands of AMAZING STORIES readers?
The very methods used by Shaver and Palmer to "warn" the human race
about this subject to some extent did just the opposite and brought ridicule on the
whole field of "paraspeleological" research. Many of Palmer's obviously fictionalized
and implausible "additions" to Shaver's writings, originally intended to make the subject
"palatable" to the mass readership, may have in fact had an adverse affect.
If then Shaver was being used as an unwitting "disinformation agent", then why would
these powers of darkness - the serpent races and their demonic allies - wish to hide
the truth concerning, if not the very existence of, such a nether region from surface
society? We believe that the reasons are obvious. Although not all, much of this nether
"world" is being used by the "infernals" as a base of operations in their ages-old
"Cosmic Conspiracy" or conflict with the Creator and the souls- conscience of
mankind. The less we on the surface know about their existence and activities, the
better it will be for their hellish cause. Shaver and Palmer as we said may have been
unknowing pawns who were being used to not only spread disinformation but also to
bring others under the supernatural influence of these dark powers by encouraging the
readers to attempt to establish "thought-contact" with these underground races by
means which have in the past been attributed to witchcraft and the occult. Many of the
researchers involved in compiling these files personally know of several people who
have had their lives all but destroyed by taking "their" advice and, via occult methods,
have attempted to contact these underworld beings via psychic or telepathic means.
And after having done so have become oppressed, tormented or even possessed by
beings who are absolutely malignant in nature and insensitive to humanities welfare.
Also, mental illness, schizophrenia, and even suicide is not unheard of among those
who have decided through occultic or witchcraft-related means to open up their spirits
to any or all paraphysial beings which may be inhabiting the ether around them, in
hopes of tapping-in to some benevolent subterranean beings' thought-beam.
We will state here that if anyone is seeking to make their life easier by joining up with
an advanced race of technological beings, whether subterrestrial or extraterrestrial,
they will be disappointed, as there is no single place in the universe outside of Eternal
Paradise itself where one will be completely free from the relentless attacks of the
powers of darkness and their insatiable attempts to devour life and vitality wherever
they may find it. This is something any society has to deal with, no matter how
technologically sophisticated they may be. Physical technology cannot solve nonphysical
or spiritual problems. Palmer's deeply occultic philosophies are evidenced by
the fact that he went on to create FATE and SEARCH magazine(s) which, although
occasionally providing some useful information, nevertheless propounded the "virtues"
of witchcraft, spiritism and the occult. Our Creator was not being insensitively strict
when He warned us to stay away from dealings with the occult or the supernatural
outside of his protection. He gave this command for our own good, so that we would
not end up as the degenerate spiritual slaves to infernal creatures that are ever
seeking to gain control of our spiritual nature. \
Paris Flammonde refers to this
account in his book: THE AGE OF FLYING SAUCERS (Hawthorn Books, N.Y., p.
197), having learned it from an article in the September, 1967 issue of ORBIT
Magazine, which in turn gave credit to an article in the Vol. XII, August 1967 issue of
Dan Fry's UNDERSTANDING Magazine. Fry claimed that he got the story from an
article by John Macklin which appeared in the December, 1966 issue of GRIT
Magazine. The account also appears in John Macklin's book STRANGE DESTINIES
(Ace Books., N.Y.); Jacques Bergier's LES EXTRA-TERRESTRES; and also appeared
in the British periodical WEEKEND, on July 22, 1970.

he exclaimed, "That thing was not of this world!"
The possibility that an ancient reptilian-saurian race may exist below the surface of this
planet is not an idea which is relatively new. This infernal yet physical race has been
refereed to in spiritual and historical records which date back to the beginning of time.
Ancient Hebrew history, for instance, records that our human ancestors were not the
only intelligent, free will beings who inhabited the ancient world. Genesis chapter 3
refers to the "Serpent", which according to many ancient Hebrew scholars was
identified with a hominoid or bi-ped reptilian being. The ancient Hebrew word for
"Serpent" is "Nachash" (which according to STRONG'S COMPREHENSIVE and other
Biblical concordances contained in itself the meanings: Reptile, Enchantment, Hissing,
Whisper, Diligently Observe, Learn by Experience, Incantation, Snake, etc. all of which
may be descriptive of the serpent-sauroid race which we have been referring to). The
original "Nachash" was not actually a "snake" as most people believe, but actually an
extremely intelligent, cunning creature possessed with the ability to speak and reason.
It also stood upright as we've said, as did many of it's descendants, the small "saurian"
predators which ambled about on two legs. Many of these reptilian creatures retained
their bi-pedal form while others mutated via natural selection, adaptation and
atrophication into the other "saurian" species.
The Hebrew account stated that the serpent race (at one time uncorrupted) irreparably
sold itself out to demonic entities in exchange for occultic powers and dominion over
the human race, since the Adamic race had been given dominion over the earth and
"the beasts" (ie. all non-human creatures) by Jehovah Himself. The fact that "the
Beast" now for a large part rules over man is to some extent mans fault.
These infernally-empowered beings, who once roamed the surface of the planet and
preyed on humanity, were later forced to go underground and make their abode in the
subterranean networks which honeycomb the sub-crust of the earth. From these
nether regions they have for thousands of years been carrying out their ancient and
secret warfare against God and the souls of men, whom they hate intensely.
Some years ago a lady by the name of Robin Collyns wrote an article referring to this
serpent race and it's influence upon the human race throughout history. Collyns was of
the opinion that (as these creatures alleged) the serpent race "created" man and
planted him on this planet. All indications however strongly point to the fact that this is
just one of many propagandist lies which this infernal race propagates. If these
reptilian deceivers can convince man that "they" created us and therefore they are our
"creator-gods" so-to-speak, then we will be all the more likely to bow down and submit
to these vermin in worshipful adoration.
Since their "race" has long since lost any concept of righteousness or moral integrity,
"they" will not think twice about using deception or whatever means at their disposal in
order to advance their over-all CONTROL of all things. Deception is and has been for
thousands of years second nature to them, and therefore any statement made by them
should be considered in light of this fact. John Lear alleges, based on what his sources
have told him, that these entities, the saurian "greys", etc., even claim to have created
Jesus. Even Lear regards this claim with great suspicion, believing that it is one of
many attempts by these creatures to undermine traditional values in order to gain
further control. Not to mention Jesus Himself condemned the serpent race of being in
league with Satan and his demonic hierarchy! Collyns' article nevertheless contained
some useful information concerning the ancient influence of these creatures, which we
"...Old Sumerian, Babylonian, Egyptian, and Greek legends refer to the "serpent"
deities who were believed to have once resided in the "underworld". The Garden of
Eden in this context takes on additional interest and significance, possibly of
paramount importance. Pristine legends from AUSTRALIA and the PACIFIC ISLANDS
offer innumerable references to serpent deities/beings who were anciently associated
with the creation enigma in the area (Note: There are in fact several accounts of
caverns in Australia.
"...The spiral serpent symbol is found throughout the Pacific and is associated
universally with the creation enigma... From earliest days, the serpent symbol is to be
seen in many parts of the world, but undoubtedly the most fascinating portrayal is a
detail on an Egyptian "magical" papyrus in the British Museum depicting a serpent
encompassed by a ray-emitting disk. The most unusual form of the serpent symbol is a
spiral representing a coiled snake; it has been discovered as petroglyphs and other
pictorial representations in Britain, Greece, Malta, and Egypt, as pottery designs in
New Mexico; as ground drawings on the Nazca Plateau, Peru, and throughout the
Pacific Islands (Note: Nearly every site mentioned here has also been the site of
intense subterranean activity and encounters with sauroid beings, as the reader may
recall and as he or she will see further in the text - Branton).
"...Aborigine legends," Collyns concludes, "indicate that the serpent beings were not
above waging war, and an identical parallel is also mentioned in the Hindu legends of
the Nagas, serpent beings who came from one of seven worlds... Aborigine legends
(state that) the serpent beings waged many wars around Ayers Rock, and the vertical
gutters in Ayers Rock testify to these wars."
The Nagas "seven worlds", by the way are, according to Hindu tradition, actually seven
LEVELS of a subterranean nether world from where these Nagas, or serpent beings,
In "THE WORSHIP OF THE SERPENT," the Rev. John Bathurst Deane made the
following statements and observations: "...One of (the) five builders of Thebes was
named after the serpent-god of the Phoenicians, OPHION... The first alter erected to
Cecrops at Athens, was to "Ops", the serpent-deity... The symbolical worship of the
serpent was so common in Greece, that Justin Martyr accuses the Greeks of
introducing it into the mysteries of all their gods... The Chinese... are said to be
'superstitious in choosing a plot of ground to erect a dwelling-house or sepulchre:
conferring it with the head, tail and feet of diverse dragons which live UNDER OUR
The Rev. Deane also states that hierograms or depictions of a circle (representing the
sun) with wings and serpents emanating from it are predominant features "in the
Persian, Egyptian, and Mexican hieroglyphics. China, Hindustan, Greece, Italy, and
Asia Minor, as distinctly through more rarely, exhibit it; and it has even been found in
by the Rev. John Bathurst Deane., London., J.G. & F. Rivington., 1833)
In his book "VENOMOUS REPTILES" (Charles Ceaibrer Sons, N.Y. 1969), author
Shirman A. Minton Jr., an expert on reptilian and amphibian biology, reveals some
peculiar scientific facts concerning "reptiles". These facts include the following:
A) All reptiles have scales,
B) All are cold-blooded,
C) All lay eggs,
D) All reptiles with well-developed limbs have clawed toes,
WHICH BECAME "ATROPHIED" THROUGH NON-USE, perhaps due to the fact they
they BECAME aquatic or semi-aquatic creatures (Note: Snakes incidentally bare both
aquatic AND land creatures, and can travel through either environment, as evidenced
by the fact that snakes have often been seen swimming across rivers and lakes, etc.
Not only Holy Scripture, but scientific evidence as well, indicates that "snakes" at one
time in the ancient past had limbs but lost them in the process of time, while other
reptilian species, at least for the present, have retained their limbs - Branton),
book "VENOMOUS REPTILES" also states the following:
"...Cobras (according to legends) are descended from the Nagas, Serpent gods of
Bharat, or ancient India. Their worship has been traced to prehistoric Dravidian times
before the Aryan invasion of the subcontinent in almost 1600 B.C. The Naga's power
to inflict disproportionate physical damage or almost instantaneous death is explained
in the Hindu Vedas as paralleling the energy of creation or fire." The book goes on to
state that,
A) The Naga's are said to have appeared at the birth of Guatama Siddharta, who later
became "Buddha". - Note: The "Serpent" also played a large part in the legends
surrounding another Hindu religious figure, ie. "Krishna.",
B) The ancient "well" of Sheshna in Benares, India, is traditionally where the YOGA
APHORISMS OF PATANJALI, a classical guide to students of Yoga, was written." This
"well" is said to be an entrance to one of the Naga's underworld lairs.
Take note that the same pattern of deception we see here is apparently similar to that
which was used against Eve as recorded in Genesis chapter 3. Satan, working through
the present-day "sold-out" saurian race (the seed of the Serpent), inspired or inspires
these misguided Hindu's, Buddhists, Masons, etc. (the seed of the Woman) with
blasphemous doctrines based upon the lie of the original Serpent or Nachash as
recorded in the Genesis account: "Ye shall be as gods", a teaching which is at the very
heart of occultic Yoga philosophy; ie. that by "tapping in" to the so-called "universal
serpent force" one could gain supernatural powers and thereby become a "god". Such
an occult practice was carried out by Adolph Hitler and the theosophist-rosicrucianjesuit
connected occultists who surrounded him, but instead of tapping-in to the
mythical "universal force" they instead opened themselves up to hideous demonic
powers which had masqueraded behind the deceptive facade of such a pantheistic
"force". How else can one explain the horrible atrocities which were carried out by the
Nazi's during World War II?
There are indications that Hitler and his occult societies may have subsequently come
into contact with this serpent race, believe it or not. These include the face that: Hitler
had himself read "THE COMING RACE," written by the Rosicrucian Grandmaster
Bulwer Lytton, describing an underground race which "tapped" a supposed force called
"vril", identical to the Hindu's "serpent force': Hitler had, after his rise to power, sent out
numerous secret expeditions to nearly every continent including Antarctica, in order to
explore ancient ruins and especially old mines and caverns in attempts to find
geographical areas suitable for establishing underground "bases" of operation; A
strange cult of Tibetan occultist-monks were actually found in some of the bombed-out
ruins in Berlin near the end of the war, who had been killed by the blasts - there were
also rumors that Tibetan monks were assisting Hitler in the establishment of a
"demonic" world order and religion.
Again, we are not "condemning" any particular group of persons who may have been
born into a society which has unfortunately fallen victim to the deception of the
draconian. Many of these people grew up in a society where "tradition" and "religion"
are one and the same, or in other words they are - whether they like it or not -
"members" of their religion (whether it be Far Eastern occultism or other) from birth.
Reptilian-inspired "religion" is forced upon a person against their will, for to deny
religion would be to deny their tradition. In contrast to this, the religion of "The Lamb"
does not force itself on anyone through fear and intimidation nor through traditional
dogmatism; but offers itself freely to all who will receive it without condemnation. The
way of "The Serpent" uses deception disguised as "secret initiation into higher
knowledge" in order to manipulate a person towards believing the reptilian propaganda
which they would use to get the believer to eventually worship their race. The way of
"The Lamb" does not use secrecy or manipulation, but is open and honest and has
nothing to hide, and therefore has no need for "secret" or "occult" society. Unlike "The
Serpent" which must hide in the darkness for fear of being discovered for what it really
is, "The Lamb" has nothing to hide and does not fear scrutiny nor challenge, being
absolutely perfect in every way. Therefore, this is not an attempt to "condemn" Hindus,
Buddhists, Masons, nor any other such group of persons, but an attempt to show them
that there is another and a better path.
The book "VENOMOUS REPTILES" also states that "Sheshna's well", an alleged
opening into the underground reptilian realm of "Patala", may be seen today in
Benares, India, and according to Minton, it's author: "It has forty steps leading down
into a circular depression to a stone door covered with cobras. This is said to lead to
PATALA, the reptile netherworld."
Buddhist occultists like Robert E. Dickhoff, in his book "AGHARTA" (Health Research,
Mokelumne Hill, CA), a somewhat "occultized" and confused look at the subterranean
civilizations of Asia, nevertheless describes one event which seems to tie-in with
various accounts which we have given earlier and which we will relate further on.
According to Dickhoff, or rather from what he learned from certain Buddhist monks,
some time in the ancient past an Asian prince and his followers had learned that a
subterranean race of reptilian-like hominoids were causing a
great deal of harm in the surface world through their attempts to manipulate the minds
of those on the surface through "witchcraft" and "sorcery". This Asian prince eventually
led an army of followers into the tunnels and caverns below central Asia and
encountered the reptilian or "lizard" people. After a considerable conflict the reptilianssaurians
were driven out of these ancient caverns and the (antediluvian?)
subterranean cities which later became known as "Agharta". Ever since that time the
reptilians, according to Dickhoff, have been plotting a re- takeover of these caverns
and have been using occult "channels" to spread propaganda which would favor their
In his book "ON THE SHORES OF ENDLESS WORLDS" (Souvenir Press), Andrew
Tomas gives some additional information concerning the "Nagas" or the "Serpent
People" who are believed to originate from a gigantic underworld cavern network
below central Asia and the Far East. On p. 160 of his book Tomas states:
"...Even in this jet-age every Hindu is familiar with and usually believes in the legend of
the Nagas, the "serpents" which live in extensive underground palaces in the rocky
Himalayas. It is believed that these creatures are able to fly in space and that they
possess amazing magical powers and intelligence. They are not too fond of man if he
is a curiosity seeker, explorer or mountaineer. According to the sacred(?) tradition of
the Hindus, the deep caverns of the Nagas contain fabulous treasures, illuminated by
flashing precious stones. The subterranean abodes are known to be in certain parts of
both the Himalayas and Tibet, particularly around the Lake of the Great Nagas - Lake
Take note of the remarkable similarity between this description and medieval traditions
of hideous and malevolent "dragons" who lived in dark underground lairs along with
kidnapped human maidens and "stolen treasures." We've all heard of these tales,
which most have formerly attributed to fantasy. However, could such tales actually be
rooted in subconscious awareness of actual realities?
Andrew Tomas describes his own personal encounters with those who claimed to have
knowledge of these subterranean and space-travelling creatures. On pp. 166-168 he
"...I decided to go to the Kulu Valley in the Western part of the Himalayas to visit
Naggar, where Nicholas Roerich had lived. Since I had known him personally, the trip
had sentimental overtone. A narrow curving road, a precipice on one side with rocks
and avalanches on the other, were not conductive to an enjoyable journey to this
remote region near Ladakh and Tibet. The village of Naggar derives its name from
NAGA, the serpent. High up in the mountains lies Roerich's estate. Having been an
artist of note, his two-sided house contains a museum of his paintings.
"As I began my ascent on the mountain path, I saw a tall grey-haired sadhu (hermit),
sitting by a mountain torrent. In his hand he held a cobra-shaped staff, which together
with the markings on his forehead, signified that he was a devotee of Shiva. During the
earlier, more peaceful times of the British Raj, these pilgrims would travel to the Lake
of the Great Nagas, Lake Manosarowar, or to Mount Kailas, the abode of Shiva (a
"god" apparently tied-in with the Nagas - Branton), in Tibetan territory. I climbed the
mountain and reached the terrace on which Roerich's house is built. I spent an hour
studying (his) paintings. On the way back I admired the narrow valley and the looming
snow-capped mountain ridges on both sides.
"The sadhu was still there. I thought, 'A place called Naggar, a devotee of the Nagas
with the cobra staff, if he does not know something about the Nagas, then who does?'"
After Andrew Tomas asked this man, apparently a misguided member of a serpent
cult, if he knew anything about the "Nagas" or the serpent beings, the pagan devotee
"'I am a poor sadhu, I know nothing, sahib. But about twenty years ago my yogi
teacher went into the mountain kingdom of the Nagas. Bright lights everywhere, big
halls like Taj Mahal... The Nagas have many, many things and machines. They are
clever, like Cambridge men, may be more clever, sahib,' the sadhu said with an
apologetic smile...
"'Your yogi must have been a Rishi. Don't the Nagas destroy men with their sting?' I
"'Yes, though the Nagas are gods and wish nothing but good to man, they do not like
men who have no business near their palaces,' he replied."
One can see here the poor, miss-guided and indeed self-contradicting mentality of
many of those souls who are caught up in the "serpents cults" throughout the world. In
response to Thomas' accusations that THE NAGAS DESTROY MEN WITH THEIR
STING, this "devotee" agrees with him and states "Yes" (they do destroy human lives).
However, he then goes on to make the absolutely contradicting statement that THE
so many others, apparently desiring to worship a supernatural power "greater" than
himself, had actually been deceived into devoting himself to creatures which are in fact
a deadly threat to man and are apparent "gods" only in the sense that their intellectual
capacity allows them to develop and utilize advanced forms of occult-technology. This
apparent schizophrenic or self-contradicting thinking may result from the devotee's
DESIRE to believe he was worshipping benevolent entities while at the same time
subconsciously acknowledging the threat that these creatures pose to human life is
very real as well. Many of these people may have grown up with such false teachings
and, simply because there was no alternative presented to them, ended up
worshipping the serpent race or "The Beast" (This does not mean that they are beyond
salvation as those who take "the mark" of the Beast of Revelation ch. 13 will be, who in
essence will through a world-wide initiation willfully turn over their own WILLPOWER to
"the Beast" in exchange for supernatural "godlike" powers. These will be irredeemable
since their WILLS will no longer be theirs and therefore they will be unable to "choose"
to return to the God of the Universe). This aspect of being taught a particular beliefsystem
from birth has to do with the so-called "law of first report", a powerful force
which states in essence that a person who learns one set of teachings BEFORE
hearing of a contradictory viewpoint will often defend the teaching which he heard
"first" to the death, whether that teaching it right or wrong.
The sad fact is, such serpent-race-inspired cults condemn critical, analytical thinking
and demand absolute and blind allegiance and obedience to the "masters". The God of
Judeo-Christian revelation is not so intimidated by men's efforts to examine His Word,
but instead encourages man to "PROVE" His Word, His Prophecies, and the Scientific
and Historical reliability of his revelations in an HONEST manner. Unfortunately, many
of the serpent cult followers have been so ingrained from childhood with these lies that
it is very difficult to break free from such traditions when they are older. Many of these
will not listen to critical arguments against their already-established views simply for
prides sake, or because of the fear or possibility of being proven wrong. This is also
true with the many modern "lodge-religions" which are outwardly "Christian" yet
inwardly pagan, and which play upon the human ego and the desire for "secret
knowledge" which will somehow supposedly make them SUPERIOR to their fellow
man if they can "make the grade" by being initiated into the "inner core"; and most who
reach this "inner core" must admit if they are honest with their own conscience that
much of what they supposedly "learned" there is actually contradictory to what they
learned in the lower or outer "levels" when they first joined-up with such a religious
We would say that these "hybrid" religions which attempt to fuse the contradicting
teachings of the "Serpent" and the "Lamb" together (the first such post-deluvian cult
being the ancient Babylonian Mystery Religion built around the tower of "Babel" or
tower of "Confusion") are far more dangerous than the Serpent Cults themselves, as
they are more likely to lead souls hungry for truth to their destruction when actually the
initiate or member believes that they are on the path of light because SOME of the
teachings actually AR$E based on a perverted form of truth. Jesus said "A little leaven
leaveneth the whole lump" (I Cor. 5:6), or a little lie can corrupt a great deal of truth. A
little "serpents venom" of self-deification, self-centeredness or selfish ego-worship can
utterly destroy and corrupt any benefit of any TRUTH which the Creator would plant in
a human heart, truth based on the teaching of putting God and others first and in so
doing bringing about a better society, and thus PERSONAL benefit.
Andrew Tomas continues by describing other subterranea-related accounts in his book
"... Traditions of vaults, labyrinths, tunnels and buried treasures of remote antiquity are
found in Crete, Egypt, Tibet, Angkor, India, Mexico, Ecuador, Bolivia and Peru.
subterranean tunnels which allegedly undermine the area:
"The Jesuit Agnelio Oliva (1572-1542) recorded the words of an old Inca quipu reader
to the effect that the real Tiahuanaco was a subterranean city exceeding the one
above ground in vastness. It was believed that the entrance to the underground
apartments could be gained through four tunnels. Last century one passage was
evidently found as treasure hunters managed to get in, to look for gold, but only one
came out. He brought out with him two gold bars but left behind his sanity. After this
incident the Peruvian government decided to wall up the cave entrance..." This tunnel,
according to other sources, was actually hidden among the ruins of Fort Sacsahuaman
outside of and above Cuzco, Peru. The explorers allegedly found their way into ancient
treasure caves beneath the Temple of the Sun in Cuzco, and most of them
subsequently became lost in the dark labyrinthine maze, except for the man who
returned with two gold bars. There are however "rumors" that the tunnels beneath
Cuzco eventually connect with others in different parts of the Peruvian Andes.
In this file we have dealt extensively with the saurian-type reptilian entities. However,
not all of the "reptilians" encountered during subsurface incidents are of the infernal,
"sauroid-reptilian" type. Some sources indicate that conflict between two "reptilian"
groups has existed for hundreds of years and perhaps millennia, and is increasing in
more recent times. The major centers of activity for one group of semi-reptilian
humans, according to several sources, is in a network of subterranean caverns which
exist a few miles beneath the surface of California and surrounding regions. One of
their major "Capitol" centers of this hidden society is alleged to be a subterranean city
by the name of "Telos", which is actually a Greek work meaning "uttermost".
Telos is said in itself to be inhabited by over a million persons, many of whom claim
ancient ancestral ties with the old Mayan civilizations. Telos is said to be one of 7 or
more subterranean cities below the United States which may have been in existence
since antediluvian times and which were apparently re-discovered and re-established
by various early native inhabitants of the Americas. Also, some sources claim that
there is "reptilians" that have an alliance with Oriental Subterranean humans from the
"Agharta Empire". There is evidence that the subterranean network beneath California
may have been inhabited continuously for over a thousand or more years.
The Telosians, etc. are allegedly aware of conditions on the surface of the earth, which
they monitor constantly via TV, radio, etc., although they are usually reticent of
establishing any major contact with the surface world and carry on their activities in
privacy. They are apparently aware of the geological trends which are leading this
planet to an eventual crisis point (ie. ozone destruction, pollution, seismic disaster,
potential polar reversal, greenhouse effect, etc.) but seem to be just as helpless to do
anything to stop it as are the surface governments of the earth. All this might sound
like the most daring science fiction, but there are several sources who swear it's true.
More on these two groups (the Telosians and Aghartians) will be revealed later on and
we will leave it to the reader to decide how to deal with such allegations.
There are other groups which may have been confused with the Telosian. One we will
refer to as the 'Nordics' who have allegedly established bases or communities beyond
the earth. Another group which may fit into the scenario will be referred by us as the
'Aryans', an alleged 'pure-bred' race of neo-Nazis who are believed to occupy
underground bases below Antarctica and utilize Nazi 'aerial disk' technology. There is
still another group which we should include here. There have been some accounts
concerning so-called "nordics" or "blondes" or "Aryans" connection with the sauroids or
the serpent race. The serpent races have apparently convinced a relatively few from
one or more of these human 'races' just mentioned, to work with them, perhaps
enticing them with certain promises of supernatural or technological advancement. For
instance if a person sees a "Nordic Blond" human with a group of reptilians, as many
have (These particular "Blondes" are usually described as exuding a type of mindless
and superficial "unconditional compassion" from their eyes) then the human will be all
the more likely to cooperate with the sauroids' attempts to implant, examine, de-sperm,
de-egg, impregnate, or genetically interfere with these victims. Often the Blondes who
are working WITH the reptilians are described as being simplistic, with child-like minds
and lacking critical thought, as if they have abandoned all critical judgement in
exchange for blind faith in the grandiose promises of the serpent race.
If such a scenario involving an actual conflict between human and saurian beings is in
fact taking place on, below and above this planet, then one must wonder why the
majority of us humans living on the surface are oblivious to the fact? There are in fact
many Christian-Patriotic publications which document actual attempts by one-world
organizations to influence and manipulate the information media. If many of these oneworld
organizations, through secret fraternities, have actually been suppressing news
references to "reptilians" as part of a secret-governmental cover-up, then the
ignorance would be explained by the fact that the majority of human society would
rather "go with the flow" and believe everything they're told with blind faith. Just
because something is big and powerful (like the news media, and in fact like the devil
himself) does not mean that they are always benevolent or truthful.
From ancient times, man has been aware that there has been a power or a force which
was and is intent on destroying humanity as a whole, although in many cases they
have been unable to put their finger on just 'what' was behind this conspiracy to
orchestrate this destruction of human society. This lack of discernment of reality on the
part of humanity is one of the enemy's major strategies, since the serpent races
attempt to blind and confuse the nations of the earth as to the true nature, and in fact
the very existence, of their warfare-subversion-invasion-infiltration of human society.
The threat however is very real and must be treated by the "human resistance" as a
real and potentially deadly threat....
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Part II: According to Lear and others the government may have established a
'treaty' with this race, which they later learned to their horror was extremely malevolent
in nature and were merely using the 'treaties' as a means to buy time while they
methodically establish certain controls upon the human race, with the ultimate goal of
an absolute domination.
It is also alleged by certain deep-level intelligence agents that the Illuminati, or the 'Cult
of the Serpent', is willfully working hand-in-claw with this infernal race which has
promised them part of the action once the 'New World Order' is established. The
Illuminati is allegedly in it for the power and 'technology' which this non-human race is
supposed to give them in exchange for their cooperation. According to John Lear and
others, many of the deep underground bases such as those below Dulce, New Mexico
and Pine Gap, Australia are actually 'joint' areas where the technology exchanges
have been carried out, as well as battles between the humans and 'grays' sparked by
disagreements, etc. Could the Illuminati's plans for world domination be backed by an
'reptilian' vanguard? One unusual point that the following article makes is the apparent
connection between the Illuminati's 'Club of Rome' and the so-called 'Greys'. One
might ask themselves: If an reptilian species desired to establish control over a
civilization, would they attempt an outright and immediate invasion and destruction of
all resistance or would they instead attempt to manipulate situations behind the scenes
in order to turn the inhabitants of the 'target' environment against each other, and
decimate the population to the point that resistance would be minimal? The 'logical'
choice, presuming that the 'reptilians' are heartless vermin, would be the latter, and
there is much evidence that the 'Club of Rome' has 'sold out' the human race to such
reptilian powers in exchange for certain promises, and that this sold-out power group is
carrying out an agenda of MASS GENOCIDE against the human race as a whole, in
obedience to their draconian masters. If such an inhuman and reptilian race exists,
then these genocidal 'policies' which the Illuminati-Club or Rome is carrying out no
doubt originated from 'them'. As William Cooper has stated elsewhere, whether the
'reptilians' exist or not makes no difference, since the 'idea' of the existence of a nonhuman
reptilian race is part and parcel of the Illuminati's one-world totalitarian plans.
This has been confirmed by several researchers. With this introduction, the activities
taking place at such underground installations as the Pine Gap Facility may be better
From Dr. Jean Francois Gille, who moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico from France,
comes a translation of a French document that exposes the relationship between
several factors in the matrix of world affairs. The article, titled - 'PINE GAP BASE:
WORLD CONTEXT', was written by Lucien Cometta and later translated into English
by Dr. John Gille:
"The United States has three major bases in Australia. One is in South Australia
(Nurranger, near Woomera, T.N.), another in New South Wales, and the third (and by
far the largest) is located within about 230 km (143 miles) of the geographical center of
the continent, not far to the west of Alice Springs (Northern Territory), at the foothills of
the southern slopes of the MacDonnell Range. This base is completely underground,
with barely visible entrances to the surface. "This 'Top Secret' base is entirely financed
by the United States Government, and is officially known as the Joint Defense Space
Research Facility.
"When the JDSRF was first initiated, its aim was scientific research for the supposed
development of a space defense technology. It is now known that since its inception,
its primary purpose was research into electromagnetic propulsion.
"What exactly is Pine Gap? As strange as it may seem, even Australian Federal
Parliament members do not know. Among the Cabinet members, only a small number
of 'initiates' have a vague idea of what this is all about. The only information source
available to the public is the cross-checking done by private researchers such as
Jimmy Guieu, following statements made by the United States or Australian
magazines (always very short and terse paragraphs), and anything the locals may
"It is said that under Pine Gap is the deepest drilling hole in Australia - about 5 miles
(more than 8,000 meters). Such a hole is likely used as an underground antenna able
to recharge the batteries of submarines in the Pacific and Indian Ocean through ELF
broadcasts. Such a gigantic antenna could be used to generate the gigantic stationary
wave around the Earth.
"Some say that Pine Gap has an enormous nuclear generator to supply energy to a
new type of transceiver. It seems too that there is a high-powered, high-voltage plasma
accelerator which may be put to use to transmit electric current, or even to produce a
'death-ray', or quite simply to feed a plasma gun. All this is not as incredible as it
sounds: it is now known that the US base of West Cape, near Exmouth Gulf in
Western Australia (Harold E. Holt USN Communication Station), has an older type of
the transceiver used at Pine Gap which is used to send electric
current to submerged US submarines who trail a wire antenna. It is known that electric
currents transmitted in this way are referred to as plasmo-dynamic cells.
"Several times, locals have seen WHITE DISKS about 30' in diameter in the process of
being unloaded from large US cargo planes at the airports serving Pine Gap. Those
disks had the USAF emblem on them. It seems likely that disks are assembled and
based at Pine Gap. The number of disks seen at night leavesno doubt in anyone's
mind. An amazing quantity of furniture has been delivered by plane from the United
States. The locals also say that an enormous amount of food is stocked in warehouses
of what could well be a true multi-leveled underground city.
"On the other hand, Pine Gap is well known as one of the most important control
centers for spy satellites which circle the globe. An article published in late 1973
claimed that the Pine Gap installation, along with its sister installation in Guam, were
used to control the photographic missions of the large American satellites in orbit
above the Earth.
"Pine Gap has enormous computers which are connected to their American and
Australian central counterparts, which collect all the information secured in these
countries, not only about finance and technology, but on every aspect of the life of the
average citizen. Those computers at Pine Gap are also evidently connected to similar
mainframes in Guam, in Krugersdorp South Africa, and at the Amundsen-Scott US
base at the South Pole.
"Let us say, incidentally, that the employees (more than 1200) of the US base in South
Africa all claim to be members of the US consular mission in that country. It may be
worthy of note that the Amundsen-Scott base at the South Pole is located on a
sensitive magnetic spot of our planet, that it holds exactly the same assets as Pine
Gap, and that all the information about most of the average citizens of Western Europe
is stored there in memory banks tens of meters under the icepack.
"A statement made by the Australian premier about 1987, assuring that 'France must
disappear from the Pacific, from the Kerguelen Ridge, and from Antarctica' sheds light
on the importance of this polar base for the Anglo-Saxon world.
"The most disquieting fact about Pine Gap may be that the employees working on the
base, and especially those earmarked for duty on electromagnetic propulsion projects,
have undergone brainwashing and even implantation of intracranial devices. Those
employees have turned into unconditional slaves of their master, whoever he is.
Rather scary, isn't it?
"The true point of the brainwashing of those individuals, along with the ruthless
attempts to implement the coverup of really advanced military technology, will become
clear at the end of this article.
"For me, it all began with the construction of the new Parliament building in Canberra,
which cost billions of dollars. Australia has only 18 million inhabitants, yet it apparently
treated itself to a building far beyond its means...supposedly to accommodate its
government even if the old Parliament building was perfectly fine.
"This new building, enormous, immense and magnificent would easily fit the needs of
the USSR or of the United States, which both have hundreds of millions of citizens to
rule. That building puzzled me, and I started to talk about it until the day I bumped into
an Englishman who told me that the Australian premier, Bob Hawk, was a Rhodes
scholar, and as such he worked toward the setting up of a One World Government,
and that this new Parliament building likely had something to do with it.
"Sometime after, I stumbled on a pamphlet published by the Human Rights
Organization, which talked about a group of about a hundred people well-placed in
high finance, politics, the judiciary branch and big business. This group was called the
'Club of ROME'. According to this pamphlet, the CLUB OF ROME was pledged to a
consortium which controls all international finance. A number of other groups similar to
the CLUB OF ROME are equally pledged to that finance consortium, AND ARE
"The whole thing looked a little bit too preposterous to be true, it seemed to me.
Nevertheless, a friend of mine gave me an audio cassette taped at a lecture given by
Peter Sawyer, a former high-ranking Australian civil servant, which exposed a certain
number of facts he had noticed while in office. He talked, in particular, of a telephone
exchange in Canberra called 'Deacon Center'. This exchange, built in concrete with 4
(ft. ? - Branton) thick walls, cost hundreds of millions of dollars. It is outfitted with
numerous computers, arrayed on four levels. When he tried to find out why such
equipment was needed in a country of only 18 million, he discovered that those
computers were connected to all the banks, to every post office, to all telephones, and
to all of the police stations and customs houses; to every arrival and departure desk for
air or sea travelers; and also and above all, to the other data centers collecting data on
private citizens... in the United States as well as in Europe.
"That facility on Deacon street is therefore a Center where all the data pertaining to
every citizen of the Western World end up being stored. All financial, economic,
political and military information, as well as the information on every inhabitant of those
countries. As a matter of course, all people living in Australia are put on file, kept up
with and labeled.
"Peter Sawyer discovered also that the president of the ROCKEFELLER
FOUNDATION came for a lengthy stay in Australia to supervise in person the
construction of 20 luxury residences in Canberra (the Australian government footed the
bill), in the wonderful setting of a National Park, where, legally, nobody is allowed to
"The investigations lead by Sawyer exposed, first, that the new Parliament building is
meant to accommodate the world government-to-be; and, second, that the 20 luxury
residences will be allocated to the different foreign members of that government... Why
choose Canberra as the headquarters of the new world government? Simply because
Australia is a peaceful country, with very few natives likely to turn rebellious, and,
above all, it's an English speaking country. No other English speaking country can
offer the safety Australia will provide at the time of the taking over by the World
Government. In America and Europe, uprisings are more than likely, and South
America not only is not English-speaking, but its fondness for revolutions and social
disturbances is well known.
"Australia is thus the ideal place for such an undertaking. How is the advent of a World
Government possible in the near future? It is relatively easy, as we will explain.
"First, who are those 'internationalists' who want to take over the planet? THE ONES
devised their plan after World War I, and have been working since on an insidious
undermining process aimed at economic destabilization all over the West.
"If those financiers are obviously labeled 'capitalists', it is a very deceptive label,
though, for, in fact, they never stopped to pull the strings of the progressive parties, as
well as those of the conservative parties. Their idea is logical, and lay, quite simply, in
the destabilization of the countries of the West on the political, economic and religious
POWERLESS... (Were these establishments 'bought out' through financial
contributions? - Branton)
"Economic destabilization is implemented through a slower but most efficient process.
This process (already under way) will cause the entire financial system of the West to
collapse. The people involved are the same people who cause the price of oil to go up
and then, after convincing European neighbors to agree to these price rises, provide
that the yield coming from the price rises will be paid to the 'International Reserve
Bank', which is entirely at their command. The Reserve Bank hands the money over to
a 'holding bank' who lavishly loans the money to Third World countries for usurious
rates of interest.
"The holding bank receives the interest paid by the underdeveloped countries, then
puts it into another 'holding bank' which, in turn, invests the huge quantity of money on
behalf of the Arabs.
"Those investments are made into thriving large businesses. In the meantime, only
small interests are sent to Arab countries. "Those who engineered the plan were
perfectly aware that the leaders of the underdeveloped countries would be tempted to
pocket a good part of the received money.
"I IRB will then tell the Arab countries that the holding bank investments have turned
out badly, all their assets had vanished and that no interest will be paid any more. The
Arab countries will then have no choice but to put all the securities they own on the
market, as well as quite an amount of property bought by the second holding bank. A
good part of these possessions will then be frozen, because they will have been
bought with the aid of not entirely repaid loans, and they will be part of the assets of
the first holding bank, gone bankrupt. The incredible quantity of shares put on the
market at the same time will cause a stock market crash of such magnitude that all the
national economies of the West will collapse at the same time.
"The planet will find itself in a desperate predicament. Cash will not be worth a damn,
and the risks of a global confrontation (planned!) will be high.
"At this point, the usefulness of bases like Pine Gap will become obvious. If a Global
confrontation is going to break out, those bases will serve as a place of safety for the
politicians and their staff, as well as the international financiers, their family and
"If no confrontation breaks out, the financiers will adapt a 'saintly' attitude AND OFFER
setting up of a World Government that will 'ensure peace'.
"The masses (consciousness as a group) will be convinced that it is necessary to
ensure Peace and Social Justice by any means, including force. THE POTENTIAL
PEOPLE'. Also, it will ensure the swift crushing of any possible uprising. IT MAY ALSO
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Sorry, but I can't buy into the space travel thing.

As far as the reptilians go, they have to be the fallen angels.

Everything else goes back to the mystery religions , from the chaldeans to the egyptians to the greeks.

I know the bloodlines are important, but they are earthly not from out there some where.

A cpl years back, I too was stuck on them, I read Icke and credo mutwa and about the creatures at dulce described by brandon, and comments by commander x, and even john lears whose comments really creeped me out and all that stuff and I must admit, it had me tripping for quite some time.

When you find out that most of the world leaders are or were in secret societies, and things like US GRANT being a gutter drunk and made general!, and lincolns son burning some of his fathers letters , and the list of things just goes on ad nauseum, and their connections to the wars, it is then that things are not so mysterious anymore. [ sorry that was a bit choppy but I need to wrap this up ]

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Thanks mate, but I'm not really enjoying the trip, knowing it's true, & knowing it's gonna be QUITE CHALLENGING to get this out to the masses... - Hmmm... I gotta make a YouTube vid! - And I've been in the rabbit hole for two years, & I ain't coming out until I can bring one back up & out with me by the slimy ears, & show the World the Elusive 'Rabbit' , That has more anomalies than a ... well, something VERY weird (it's time for me to goto bed!)

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My question to you as to your belief in the existence of reptilians who live underground being based purely on something you read was not meant to make you look stupid.

I understand, but you seem to be mis-allocating your time, as you clearly have a talent for elaborate way of thinking, & you are quite humorous, yet I feel an edge of snicker & ridicule. - I had apologized for barking about thinking you were scofting. (English term for saying 'yeah right, this guys nuts') You need not pretend you don't assume you are better than me or something, just because I am certain something is absolutely true, while you remain certain in your beliefs... I don't blame you however, for as I have stated, I did not believe in the Reptilians myself, but even if I was not aware of the outstanding evidence THAT EXISTS BEYOND WRITTEN MATERIAL, if you even read a small part of the (written, yes, but can be confirmed by researching the actual events that lead to being written about). That is why I get angry. - People just assume their thoughts are correct, without further investigating the subject. - That is ignorance. (not saying you are completely, but looking at what you write below, I suggest you have an open mind at this point, & just watch the Arizona Wilder video (that is even on the main page of my site).

What else could it be based on?

Come on, many people will automatically dismiss this, but if you are not aware of the reports where abduction victims have reported seeing Reptilians, etc, most people will laugh at the messenger, & it looked like that.

That theory has been circulating for a very long time and at some point, one must question as to why and who endorses it?

Very long time indeed, & it's not a theory. - It has been knowledge held though the ages of the indians, egyptians, mayans, etc, so yes , a long time as opposed to what I assume you thought was a few decades, as you seem certain it's just an idea... Look bud, there are conspiracy theories, such as ... well, I'm not aware of that crap, (I guess things like if the president has 15 buttons on his shirt on the 15th of the month, he farted on 15 children's faces 15 times,) but I'm not concerned with the mental regurgitations of retarded individuals who are probably in place to make conspiracy theorist appear ridiculous. - That's my theory.

I am a conspiracy realist. - Not a theorist. ... So, as I was saying ,; There are theories, & there a PURE CONSPIRACIES. (facts)

And no; one must question as to why others question why people are certain of its truth: .... And then realize that you must then attempt to redirect your skepticism towards the reality you are told that exists, & must not exist. - The existence of UFOs has been a 'postulation' for some time, so has 9/11... But there is definitive proof, but for 50 years, government officials continue to deny their existence. - And it's not for fear of unrest, & people being scared, for they clearly want to induce fear. - You see; - Yes, there are theories regarding the origins of the Reptilians (who then allegedly interbred with the native people of the Earth, & the purebreds went underground & the hybrid race became the power structures, such as Monarchy, banking, government, etc... MAN, it's hard not to digress with this stuff! ) Anyways, the theories are : 1)They came from another planet, 2) they come from a parallel universe, or 3) They evolved naturally on the planet, or with the Earth. David Icke believes it's all 3, while I adhere to the belief that they came from another planet thousands of years ago, & presented themselves as Gods; The fallen angels.

You must realize that this belief does not lend itself to credibility and by stating so, you open yourself up to new conspiracy theorists thinking you may be stupid and not because of any question I asked of you.

Not because of anything you said, eh? Oh no? If I replied with a one liner as you did ' do you believe this because read it somewhere ,I think you'd find that quite insulting as well, & I'm sure anyone else would, especially if they were expecting a few people to be 'yeah right -ish' ... No offense to people who take the bible literally, but if you go & tell the priest that he is not giving credibility to himself by believing God created the Earth in 7 days, I'm sure you'd get VERY little respect. - But the thing is; jI have evidence that has caused me to be certain of this as to call it fact, & that is why I am not going to be a pussy like Alex Jones & not speak of the Reptilians, for he KNOWS people will ridicule him, as is happening with me. - But listening to today's show , one doesn't even have to be aware of the evidence , as it is clear the elite is evil as hell. Just look at what is going on... But you won't even look at the evidence... man, you don't even have to buy the book, just download: the Biggest secret - A book, yes, but one that documents VERIFIABLE events that paint a much larger, bigger picture that you seem to fail to grasp. And the narrow-mindedness will have to be worked around, by making it short, sweet, clear & undeniable for the general public. I mean, I was even reluctant to include info about UFOs on my site, but it is necessary, due to their plan for a staged alien invasion to get their NWO if all else fails. (not to mention that billions of tax dollars have been used to study & build crafts & they are sitting on technology that could save the World from pollution, & an energy crisis that seems to be necessary to induce civil unrest, & when the Reptilians make themselves known, it will be too late. - It is important to be aware of this, not even believe it. - So it doesn't matter if people don't believe it. Do you see me giving a shit>/ Most people still say 'yeah right' to me when I tell the 9/11 was an inside job, so whatever. - It's about presenting the facts, not just telling your friends that we are controlled by lizards, as they will give you the ridicule you fear.

While your down the rabbit hole, could you attempt to bring up one of those reptilian's for us.

Reptilian's ..... shoes, eyeglasses, or what? -Smart-ass comments deserve a smart-ass reply, & while you're down there looking at the keyboard, instead of researching it for yourself, could you learn proper punctuation & how it's a truth that is very bad to laugh at? THIS IS SERIOUS! Again; it's not a certain group, like the Jews , or the Illuminati, or The freemasons or Communists; ---> All of them have a common root in the Reptilian Bloodlines.

If I was 'down somewhere', I'd bring one up, & I'll tell him to teach you a few things, LOL but it's up to you; To realize that I'm actually 'up there' in the light of knowledge, for I have an open mind to actually take the time to look at the info in the first place.

(My reply is in bold , within the quote)

- And the Video: AZ_wilder.avi

- A quick overview for the time-challenged: Arizona Wilder
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First came the ability for life to form on Planets, through a self-replication molecular system, called DNA.

- Then came space travel, & ability to inhabit other worlds through manipulation.

- What has happened in this area of the Galaxy, is that a certain species of malevolent beings that are highly intelligent & sofisticated with their understandings of the universe came here thousands of years ago & presented themselves as gods. - When the People realized what was really going on, the Reptilians had to go undercover & therefore interbred with humanity, but there are pure Reps living underground, who have taken refuge there, until an appointed time, where they will come out, & reveal themselves. - within our lifetimes. -
- So to answer you question; If you trace the genealogical history of everyone who has ever been in power in the monarchy throughout government, we see that it is the same family ! - They are not interbreeding out of snobbery folks! - It is to preserve the hybrid race that is controlling the planet today! - Just watch the Arizona Wilder video, & have a blast! (it's one of those things that need to get out, like the discloseureproject)

PS: A Bloodline is a family tree of a group that has maintained a specific genetic code through the ages.

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Do you believe this purely because you read about it somewhere?
Look: (now I know why Alex Jones doesn't talk about this much) You quoted part of my post, & your reply is what I have quoted above. It is insulting to say 'do you believe this just because you read it somewhere ' ; NO,; I DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING I READ. - But one thing is clear about what I'm reading from you: You are directing ridicule by suggesting that I believe everything I read. - No , I havn't seen a Reptilian, but I've seen enough evidence (and I'm not talking about You Tube videos) to know it's true, just like I havn't seen a UFO myself, but they certainly do exist. I request that if you are so cocksure & opinionated that this is merely an opinion generated by the minds of people during this generation, for you to stop wasting our time by posting your childish comments & do the research yourself; then you'll realize you were mis-allocating your time, because if you would just LOOK at the evidence available online, you'd see how there enough evidence regarding this to hold up in a court of law.

- And to prove how you are incredibly childish: You still think it's a THEORY! - Kid; Look at the evidence, & see that it's PURE CONSPIRACY. - I am a conspiracy REALIST, not a theorist. I'm disapointed in you... I thought you actually took the time to watch the Arizona Wilder vid or do your own Google search, when I saw ' now I get it' ... But you're just still in your own world, believing your opinionated belief that this is merely just a belief on my part . - With all due respect, get a life! - I'm spending all my free time on this, & what pisses me off more than what is happening to this world by the Bloodlines ( you didn't even know what the bloodlines were, shows how much research you've done) is the disgusting level of apathy & inaction. - If your family was sitting in the middle of the highway, & wouldn't listen to your 'theories' that it would be a good idea to get out of harm's way, wouldn't you be pissed off? I don't give a fuck what people think; Most people who know about the Reptilians don't talk about it for FEAR of ridicule, but that happened with the people talking about UFOs, but that's changing... People are waking up, however you sir, seem to be a late sleeper. LOL ... Who's laughing now?

Case closed.

PS: I like your post about the food crisis, but if you don't want to make the effort to go beyond the ' oh that can't be, it's too weird' , don't post in my thread. (it was initially created to get people to see my site: Social Justice, Awareness & Taking Action. If the truth is presented understandably, it will be believed... )

Have a nice day, Sir
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You're saying that I'm not credible due to my firm belief that a cosmic force initially formed the government, when in fact, it's less far out than saying a man in the clouds created the Earth in 7 days, etc, or even all life for that matter. - I currently am having a hard time paying my utility bill, & if I wanted to profit from my site, I'd have banners on it, but I want to prove that I'm not in this for the money. - So life is hard for me, & you have not helped, I feel resentment. - Some support, like people saying something like 'perhaps we should open our minds a bit, for even if it COULD be true, it would be stupid to dismiss it.'

thank you, & I hope we can engage in more friendly conversation in the future.
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---> This is the quote of yours you have requested: (within it's original, (edited context)

" You must realize that this belief does not lend itself to credibility and by stating so, you open yourself up to new conspiracy theorists thinking you may be stupid and not because of any question I asked of you. "

((( I would like to add that I want to have friendly conversations with you, & negativity drains me, & it sucks completely! I'm sorry for expressing my stress towards you, because you did have a legitimate question. We may have a short time, so lets make it a good time, for the time is now... )))

I am a conspiracy realist. - Not a theorist. ... So, as I was saying ,; There are theories, & there a PURE CONSPIRACIES. (facts)

In my effort to get this out to people after looking into it extensively, ( think-aboutit.com is a good place to start ) I forgot to make it clear that I in no way am ordering anyone to believe something, but as in any case, I would still go out on a limb to make sure I get information oout to people
EVEN IF IT WAS MERELY A THEORY< OR JUST A POSSIBILITY, BUT IN THIS CASE IT ACTUALLY IS TRUE) (caps 4 emphasis , not yelling) Please attempt to redirect your skepticism towards the reality you are told that exists, & what must not exist. - The existence of UFOs has been a 'postulation' for some time, so has 9/11... But despite definitive proof, government officials continue to deny their existence. - And it's not for fear of unrest, & people being scared, for they clearly want to induce fear. - You see; - Yes, there are theories regarding the origins of the Reptilians (who then allegedly interbred with the native people of the Earth, & the purebreds went underground & the hybrid race became the power structures, such as Monarchy, banking, government, etc... MAN, it's hard not to digress with this stuff! ) Anyways, the theories are : 1)They came from another planet, 2) they come from a parallel universe, or 3) They evolved naturally on the planet, or with the Earth. David Icke believes it's all 3, while I adhere to the belief that they came from another planet thousands of years ago, & presented themselves as Gods; The fallen angels.

" You must realize that this belief does not lend itself to credibility and by stating so, you open yourself up to new conspiracy theorists thinking you may be stupid and not because of any question I asked of you. "

Not because of anything you said, eh? Oh no? If I replied with a one liner as you did ' do you believe this because read it somewhere ,I think you'd find that quite insulting as well, & I'm sure anyone else would, especially if they were expecting a few people to be 'yeah right -ish' ... No offense to people who take the bible literally, but if you go & tell the priest that he is not giving credibility to himself by believing God created the Earth in 7 days, I'm sure you'd get VERY little respect. - But the thing is; jI have evidence that has caused me to be certain of this as to call it fact, & that is why I am not going to avoid certain information like Alex Jones & not speak of the Reptilians, for he KNOWS people will ridicule him, as is happening with me? one doesn't even have to be aware of the evidence , as it is clear the elite is evil as hell. Just look at what is going on... What my question is is: why do so many people spend so much energy on denial, rather than become diligent, clear thinking rational people who are interested in looking at all possibilities, especially when the areas of information are so unexplored due to too many people not even looking at the evidence.

just download: the Biggest secret - A book, yes, but one that documents VERIFIABLE events that paint a much larger, bigger picture that you seem to fail to grasp. And the narrow-mindedness will have to be worked around, by making it short, sweet, clear & undeniable for the general public. I mean, I was even reluctant to include info about UFOs on my site, but it is necessary, due to their plan for a staged alien invasion to get their NWO if all else fails. (not to mention that billions of tax dollars have been used to study & build crafts & they are sitting on technology that could save the World from pollution, & an energy crisis that seems to be necessary to induce civil unrest, & when the Reptilians make themselves known, it will be too late. - It is important to be aware of this, not even believe it. - So it doesn't matter if people don't believe it.
Most people still say 'yeah right' to me when I tell the 9/11 was an inside job, so whatever. - It's about presenting the facts in a clear, understandable way. But don't go telling your friends that we are controlled by lizard men, as they will give you the ridicule you fear...
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Yes, the belief does not LEND itself to credibility.

The thing is, when one realizes that it is a realization rather than simply having a believe in a theory or something. one can become very sensitive when continuing to see day after day others go on to assume that their conclusions, their theory, essentially, regarding the conclusions (not beliefs) of people like me are outrageous or something because you assume it just can't be or something, & must be the branch of conspiracy theory that is incorrect. (Given your statements about Credibility. - The only reason why that is so, is because of several reasons : Mainly , people who think that the so called shapeshifting vids on youtube are the only reason why people may believe this, but mainly for fear of ridicule, & it's become like talking about politics in general, because people are afraid their new friends will think they're a nut or loser if they talk about it... Alex Jones knows this is REAL, a FACT, but would you talk about that if you were in hos position? No. That's why it's great to have people like David Icke around. - I'm not saying I believe everything these people are saying; I do my own investigation, & verify it by doing my own research. One example of a theory is that there were no planes at all during 9/11, it was a hologram, or some bullshit like that. The existence of cosmic Reptilans on Earth is not a theory.

This is a fact and not something I have determined personally about you.

I understand that, but I believe I can present the info in an understandable way, so I'm not afraid about that. - I won't have the info as headline on my index page of course, for that reason.

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