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Old 11-13-2005, 05:01 AM
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<a href="http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=81682">The Holocaust Heresy Trial of Ernst Zündel Begins in Germany</a>

Christopher Bollyn
American Free Press

The first day of the trial of Ernst Zündel revealed that the German court proceedings are being tightly controlled in order to prevent any evidence from being presented that might challenge the state supported Jewish Holocaust dogma.

MANNHEIM, Germany – The long awaited trial of Holocaust heretic Ernst Zündel, which began here in a dismal fortress-like concrete courthouse on November 8, offers only the slightest appearance of modern jurisprudence.

More than anything else, what occurred during the first day of the Zündel trial was reminiscent of the heresy trial of Martin Luther, the father of the Protestant Reformation, which was held in the nearby town of Worms in 1521.

Like Luther, Zündel is on trial for his heretical writings and beliefs. While Luther was tried by Emperor Charles the Fifth, 484 years ago, at the Diet of Worms for heresy because of his denial of Roman Catholic doctrine, the charges against Zündel amount to modern day heresy for holding opinions contrary to the state-supported dogma of the Jewish Holocaust.

The Holocaust has, in effect, become the state church in Germany and other European nations. While there is no protection of traditional church doctrine, it is punishable by law in Germany, and other European states, to even question the Zionist version of the Holocaust, an historical event which allegedly occurred in Europe 60-65 years ago.

"The Zionists want to impose the religion of the alleged 'Holocaust' of the Jews on the whole world," the renowned French Holocaust heretic Robert Faurisson said in an interview on November 2. "It is normal that Jews and Zionists should seek to foist such an imposture on us, for it is the sword and the shield of the Jews in general and of the Jewish State in particular."

"The Jews' power stems directly from the Western world's near-total belief in the phenomenal lie of the 'Holocaust," Faurisson said. "You needn't look any further.

"The Jews do not tolerate any questioning of the 'Holocaust,'" Faurisson told the Mehr News Agency of Iran. "Against the revisionists they use physical violence and judicial repression because, on the level of historical and scientific argumentation, they have been defeated hands down by the revisionists. We have been able to expose their lies, one by one. Therefore Jews and Zionists seek refuge in violence and intimidation. They treat revisionists like Palestinians."

The first day of the Zündel trial did indeed resemble an Israeli court judging a Palestinian. The court was adjourned before the charges against Zündel could even be read. Presiding Judge Ulrich Meinerzhagen and state prosecutor Andreas Grossmann appeared to have come prepared with one strategy in mind: to dismiss Zündel's powerful defense team and replace it with a malleable court-appointed attorney.

After reading a 7-page litany of complaints against Zündel and his legal counsel Horst Mahler, Meinerzhagen ordered Mahler to leave the defense team's table on grounds that he is no longer permitted to practice law in Germany. Mahler was disbarred in March 2004 for holding unlawful opinions about the Holocaust.

Judge Meinerzhagen threatened to have Mahler thrown into jail if he did not leave the table.

Finally, at 11:09 a.m., surrounded by three green-clad policemen, and heeding the suggestion of defense team member Dr. Herbert Schaller of Austria, Mahler left the defense table and took a seat in the first row of public seating.

The courtroom was packed with some 130 supporters of Zündel and members of the press. As defense attorneys Sylvia Stolz and Jürgen Rieger protested the court's bias and abuse of power there were several rounds of applause that caused Meinerzhagen to completely lose his composure.

Stolz stood her ground and insisted that Mahler was her assistant. Meinerzhagen then dismissed her of her duties although she is Zündel's state-appointed public defender.
At this point, Jürgen Rieger applied for a Gefangenheitsantrag, a motion requesting the judge to recuse himself for obvious bias against Mahler and Stolz.

Thr Gefangenheitsantrag petition will be considered by the Mannheim district court and the decision handed down on November 15.

Rieger told the court that its actions threatening the Zündel defense team were worse than those of the Soviet Gulag system. Rieger said that the defense lawyers were threatened that if they presented evidence they would be punished.

"Little Germany is the most oppressive country in Europe," Rieger said later when asked by American Free Press about his comparison with the Soviet court system.

"It is like the Middle Ages when witches were burned at the stake," he said. "Only today we don't burn Holocaust heretics – we just throw them in jail."

Zündel has spent more than two and a half years in jail waiting for his trial since he was arrested in his home in Tennessee on February 5, 2003. Two weeks later he was deported to Canada, where he has held permanent resident status, and there he spent the next two years in solitary confinement in the Toronto West Detention Centre, on the pretext that he was a threat to national security. Zündel is married to Ingrid Rimland, an American citizen.

This reporter sat directly in front of the judge in the first row and could see that he seemed seething with anger and suffering from undue stress. Prosecutor Grossmann, sitting across from Zündel and his four lawyers, spent much of the time examining and chewing his nails.

In the court of Meinerzhagen and Grossmann, who both appear to be devoted disciples of the Holocaust, it appears highly unlikely that any evidence will be presented that will challenge the state-supported Holocaust doctrine.

This is because a German law, Paragraph 130 of the penal code, prevents any public discussion that questions the veracity of the accepted version of the Holocaust, which is itself not at all clear. For this reason, there appear to be two options: to have an open trial in which no evidence is heard or to have a secret trial in which the evidence is not made public.


Zündel and his defense team were beaming as the court adjourned until November 15. At an open press conference at Mannheim's Hotel Wartburg, the defense team took questions and explained their position in English and German.

"We can only win," Mahler said, adding that there will either be an open trial or a closed trial with evidence.

Rieger said the court can "kick us out," referring to the defense team. This is certainly what the judge seems to be trying to do.

Stolz, who is being advised by Mahler, said the court has only two possibilities. The first option would be for the court to dismiss the defense petition to close the court and hear evidence, in which case the court would stay open and the defense would request evidence to be presented. This would expose the "ridiculous" predicament the German law presents for the court, Stolz said.

The second option is that the judge would decide to lock out the press and the public and the Zündel trial would become a secret trial in which evidence could be presented.

American Free Press was the only press outlet that attended the defense team's conference. The rest of the press had already gone home to file critical stories meant to minimize the importance of the trial and marginalize Zündel's supporters.

The Bild tabloid, the semi-pornographic propaganda outlet of Axel Springer which was heavily funded by the CIA in the 1940's, for example, in a very limited article tried to discredit Zündel's many supporters by describing them as being foreigners or Germans who were outlandishly dressed in traditional clothes.

As the crowd of supporters waited to pass the security check point outside the courtroom, an unidentified young man with a Jewish skull cap repeatedly filmed the crowd. Photographed and asked by AFP who he was filming for, the camera man would only say "no comment," but said he was Israeli.

Later, he and another skull-cap clad man who had been in the court room attended the press conference with what appeared to be a group of local supporters of Zündel. However, why this group would put up such a charade and film the crowd of supporters is not at all clear.

Three things are sacred to me: first Truth, and then, in its tracks, primordial prayer; Then virtue–nobility of soul which, in God walks on the path of beauty. Frithjof Schuon
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Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor

November 15, 2005

Editor's Note: Ernst Zundel has been corresponding with this writer
throughout his unjust imprisonment in Canada and the United States. His
latest letter contains observations both profound and mundane. But even
the prosaic details are worth publishing because they hammer home the
daily reality of a man imprisoned solely for his beliefs, or perhaps I
should say, for what he does not believe.

The media describe him as a "white supremacist," but who is kidding
whom? At Zundelhaus in Toronto his friends and neighbors, accountants
and collaborators were of all races. His most recent Canadian lawyer was
of Asian descent. He could never abide the KKK or Aryan Nations. No,
Ernst Zundel has not spent the last few years of his life in Canadian
and German dungeons because he execrates black or brown people. The
System doesn't care about blacks, except as tokens and as a stick with
which to beat and control the white working class, especially in the
American South. How many black people are in the Washington D.C. press
corps covering the White House and Congress, or on staff at the New York

Recent polls indicate that more than 70% of American blacks think the US
should withdraw from Iraq and rebuild America instead. Blacks are not so
naive as whites when it comes to paying into and obeying the six-pointed
star-System. Orthodox rabbis are anti-black racists in the tradition of
their esteemed legal codifier Moses Maimonides (cf. his "Guide of the
Perplexed" in the Shlomo Pines translation), except in so far as they
can twist poor black resentment into a divide-and-conquer weapon for
humiliating and degrading poor whites, while upper caste whites pose as
"civil rights sympathizers" (from the safe distance of their suburbs and
gated communities)

Zundel has been jailed for one reason alone, and it is important that we
keep the public on point here. He is in jail and on trial because in
good conscience he doubts the existence of homicidal gas chambers. Being
pro or anti Hitler is not germane because Zundel is himself a holocaust
survivor! When he was a toddler his mother dragged him under a table in
their Black Forest home as the horrific sights and sounds of firebombs
dropped by the noble terrorists of the British and American armed forces
incinerated Zundel's native town of Pforzheim.
Trauma like that is not
expunged with opprobrium about neo-Nazism. We might all be neo-Nazis if
we had endured the terror which the German civilians experienced during
and even after the war, when more German civilians were killed than
during the conflict
, in "peacetime," through deliberate starvation
imposed by Allied and yes, American leaders.
This was from the summer of
1945 through the early summer of 1947, before the "Marshall Plan."
Amnesia has been induced concerning the conditions in post-war,
pre-Marshall Plan Germany. James Bacque has written the corrective in
his vital history book, "Other Losses."

I wrote for the old "Spotlight" newspaper and reported from the press
gallery at Ernst's first inquisition in Toronto in 1985. My book, "The
Great Holocaust Trial" is the only revisionist account of that epic. I
regret that I do not have the means to be with Ernst again for his third
trial (actually fourth, if we count the Orwellian 1983 hearing that
ended in the revocation of his right to receive mail!). Even if I ran
the risk in Germany of having the handcuffs slapped on my own wrists,
for the same thought crime for which Ernst is being star-chambered, it
would be worth it. But my home in the alpine region of northern Idaho is
not unlike Germany, and it is not difficult from these environs to be
with Ernst in spirit.

Letter from Ernst Zundel 31. October 05
JVA Mannheim Herzogenrieder Str. 111 68169 Mannheim (Germany)

Michael Hoffman II Box 849 Coeur d'Alene, Idaho 83816 USA

Dear Mike! Today is "Reformatious Tag" --Martin Luther Day! The day when
in 1517 Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses on the church door --where I
wanted to attach Fred Leuchter's Report (on Auschwitz) on the same date
in 1989 --only to find that the Communists' had sheethed the entire
church door in a thick sheet of steel, artificially aged to look as old
as the rest of the church structure. There was no way one could even
drive a nail in that door. Obviously I was not the first man to have had
"a repeat performance," a latter day Luther act in mind!

Thus, instead, I posted myself in front of the door, and held up the
reports as my French television crew set up their cameras and a British
photographer who toured Germany with me, went into action. So I had the
last laugh. I was reaching millions at an instant, certainly faster than
if I had merely nailed those reports to that church door.

All kinds of Germans have over the years mentioned that there was a
"Luther-like" quality about me. I always thought it had to do with my
girth, and my "balding pate." Some thought it also had something to do
with the content of my message. If one looks at it critically there are
indeed similarities. We challenge the orthodoxy of our day and we want
to clean up the act of those who were straying from the truth,
embellishing or importing material which never belonged in the
transmitted version of the old faith.

German broadcasters today make a big deal out of the fact that the
humble monk did not start out wanting to divide the faith. He was
horrified at the thought and uneasy when he began to realize how events
had gotten away from him. Like all historical events and figures, there
is the "public persona" that has been handed down, most likely very
different from the real person, as it is with Christ in many versions.
Lucky for the world, all kinds of Luther's notes, diaries and especially
letters to friends and contemporaries have survived to this day. Today
(on the anniversary) some were published in newspapers and broadcast on
radio, with Luther scholars illuminating facets of of Luther's
personality and ideas. It is fascinating to see these Germans wrestle
with this figure in their history. I was surprised that no one mentioned
his "Anti-Semitism." Not once did I hear it come up; which surprised me,
because the media here rarely miss an opportunity to dirty its own nest.

One thing knocked me for a loop! Mike, you won't believe this! The
radio-reporting team asked some local high school kids, girls and boys,
what they knew about Luther. The ignorance was palpable, it made
geniuses out of American high school juniors (in comparison). It was a
kind of Jerry Springer version of radio. One German girl actually said,
"Oh, Martin Luther, he freed the negroes in 1517." Imagine where the
mind of that girl was! Only one young man could give a thumbnail sketch,
had the date right and the points of the 95 theses, and even gave an
outline of what Luther wanted to accomplish. So the dumbing down is not
an American or a Canadian phenomenon only!

The other day I heard a radio interviewer talk to a popular television
talk show host about one of the most embarrassing moments on his show.
He said it was when he asked a famous German singer of pop songs, whose
specialty was Hawaiian music and who had had several mega hits, where
Hawaii was--the host showed the singer a map of the world and asked him
to point out where Hawaii was. The guy embarrassed himself and the host
by always looking for it in the Caribbean! This in the 21st century with
the History Channel and several TVs in the house! Sad, more than sad.

People keep asking me why I have no television in my prison cell. When I
tell them it interferes with my writing and thinking, they look at me
wide-eyed. One morning they spotted me as I was exercising in the yard,
asking if I had meant what I said. They told me that they could not live
without their TVs. They confessed to me how they had suffered in their
cells before they obtained a TV, that the solitude nearly drove them
crazy. I spent about ten to fifteen minutes explaining to them that the
first television broadcasts took place during the 1936 Olympics in Nazi
Germany, and that the German Army had a television network extending
over Europe. The broadcasts were seen as far away as Paris, where the
broadcasts were seen in German army hospitals to help them stay
connected to home, and to take their minds off their wounds. This was
1940-1945. German Army TV network!...I told (the youths imprisoned with
me here) about the dangers as well as the very good educational tool
that television can be. Mike, you should have seen these young men's
eyes lighting up. A new world had opened up for them. German society,
like much of American society, has simply abandoned their young people
to the eagerly waiting druggies and dope-pushers, pimps and white

How many relatively young people are in here for violent crimes
committed while drunk! There was one good-looking young man--he looked
15, but turned out to be 18. He had damaged about a dozen cars, ripped
off aerials and rearview mirrors, because he had had a fight with his
girlfriend, thus venting his spleen and rage on the cars. The judge took
a dim view of this irresponsible behavior and practiced a bit of tough
love, and sent him to the slammer for six months. Of course this boy
hated the loss of his freedoms and was remorseful. I spent a few days
shielding him from the corruption of the druggies, until he was shipped
to a place for young offenders.

Now quickly to my "living conditions." I have a reasonably nice cell in
this 100-year-old fortress-like sandstone prison, which looks quite a
bit like Alcatraz. The staff is all German. They are mostly 20 to 30
years younger than I am. Imagine Mike, I am one of the most unusual
prisoners in here because I am the only "political" prisoner. All the
others are accused murderers, rapists, thieves, drug pushers, drug
takers; people who have wounded others in fights, usually with knives.
There are between 60-70 different personalities here in this prison.
Germans are in a distinct minority, maybe 15%. Sometimes only 10%. Many
(inmates) are Turkish, Gypsies, Russians, Poles, Rumanians. Relatively
few black prisoners and even fewer Asians -- one Chinese, two
Vietnamese, a few Indians and so far I have met three Jews. I think they
are Germans pretending to be Jews because there are then certain levers
they can apply to get a single cell more quickly, etc.

The staff are pretty humane, actually even kind and considerate, within
the limits of their rules and regulations. There is a prison store, like
a small shopping center with carts, where twice a month we can purchase
things with our own money. This is one heck of a good invention because
all of the tobacco addicts and the soft drink and milk addicts can buy
themselves their stuff. I have seen people (here) buy junk food like
chips, colas, chocolates that would put a trailer park Mom in curlers to

For me it is "heaven in hell." I can buy all kinds of fruits and
vegetables and slowly I am recovering my health. The (prison) diet
(itself) is radically different in here than in Canadian prison. I have
seen no hamburgers, not a single french fry in 8 months. In Canada and
the U.S. it was almost daily fare. We have an immersion heater to brew
our own tea or coffee. There is one warm meal a day. The rest is bread
(German rye), cheese and jam for breakfast.
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Historian Irving Arrested in Austria

First they came for Zundel, then Germar and now Irving...no it's not a
dream, it's a New World Order reality.

Too bad so many are in a Right-wing/Left-wing playpen where this
Orwellian repression is studiously ignored in favor of the latest
tempest in a teapot.

Revisionists have for years been trying to make the point to our
brethren at large that the failure to defend the rights of homicidal gas
chamber skeptics will inevitably result in the abridgement of everyone's
rights in obeisance to the savage god of the Holohoax.

Let's see now, there's a Max Planck chemist behind bars in Germany and
now a British historian behind bars in Austria. Can it still be business
as usual for paleo-conservatives and anti-Zionist Leftists whose silence
thus far, concerning Zundel and Rudolf, has been deafening? What good is
a movement that is too cowed to dare to issue thunderous protests,
convene conferences and publish exposes of this wicked tyranny?


British Historian David Irving Arrested in Austria on Charges of Denying

The Associated Press

VIENNA, Austria Nov 17, 2005 — British historian David Irving has been
arrested on a warrant accusing him of denying the Holocaust, the
Interior Ministry said Thursday.

Irving was arrested in Styria province, said police Maj. Rudolf Golia,
an Interior Ministry spokesman. He was transferred to a prison in Graz.
Irving was detained on a warrant issued in 1989 under Austrian laws that
make Holocaust denial a crime, Golia said.

Irving in the past has faced allegations of spreading anti-Semitic and
racist ideas. He is the author of nearly 30 books, including "Hitler's
War," which challenges the extent of the Holocaust.

He remained in custody Thursday, the Austria Press Agency said. Calls to
the Graz court went unanswered late Thursday afternoon.
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I have to admit this entire Holocaust denial persecution is spinning completely out of control...if the international Jewish community has any remaining objectivity on the issue, they need to deescalate and defuse this situation immediately, otherwise it will only fan the proverbial flames of anti-Semitism.
Denying Judaism's opponents the same civil liberties and freedom of expression that resulted in the first Holocaust is a hypocritical and counterproductive approach, no matter how serious the threat is perceived.
\"...if the American people ever find out what we have done, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us.” George H. W. Bush, Sr., 1992.
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Nov. 16, 2005


by Michael A. Hoffman II
Copyright revisionisthistory.org/news.html

From: john@bayldon0.wanadoo.co.uk (United Kingdom)

Dear Michael:

I feel most upset by seeing the outrages against free expression and
individual liberty currently being ramped up by the US and German
states, whilst unable to affect this in any way. Despite an abundance of
news, data and even media, there is little or no strategy for fighting
and winning the battle. Other than a few stupid/dangerous reactionary
poseurs on the right, I see no evidence of the needed revolutionary
ideology/ strategy that is needed right now.

I see the current holocaust trials as a crucial point in the impending
global zionist state, also an indication that the credibility of the
holocaust doctrine...My particular interest and sympathy has long been
with the Palestinian Arabs...and this sympathy for them is shared with
many other white (in my case English) liberals... Thereby a moral
'bridge' (or 'bridgehead') exists between the European intellectual and
this Arab nation. I contend that this 'bridge' portending the awakening
of the hugely powerful and capable white Europeans is viewed by our
would-be totalitarian masters as potentially the greatest danger to its

Therefore, their aim is to destroy such bridges, via the strategy of
always portraying the participants in this ideological, territorial and
racial struggle in terms of religion: Islamic, to Europeans an alien
Unfortunately this tack (West vs. Islam) has predictably, proven
an irresistible snare to both religious and secular leaders and
thinkers, despite evidence to the contrary.

The current Ernst Zundel-Germar Rudolf-Nick Griffin witch trials offer
opportunities for linkage to the worldwide defense of the individual vs
the Zionist steamroller. Toward this I propose urgent action: Well
written articles on Zundel/ zionist etc to Arabist/Muslim' sites.
Similar ones to “indymedia” - leftist/ anarchist sites. Scathing
articles, mocking German and US law to German and European media.

Best regards in comradeship --John Bayldon

Dear Mr. Bayldon

I agree about the dearth of a revolutionary strategy. Here in the U.S. I
have recently had confirmation of how utterly reactionary and beholden
are even anti-Zionist conservatives to the “speak with a forked tongue”
strategy of Pat Buchanan, who has been revealed to be a gate-keeper for
the System and who continues to lead his lemmings into defending
Bush--with qualifications, of course!

While we must speak the truth with sophistication and panache, it is the
truth and the truth alone which must be articulated and nothing short of
Buchanan is a loser because he thinks his potential recruits cannot
handle all of the truth and that it is necessary to compromise from time
to time with certain falsehoods which have been heavily drummed into our
people, especially on the Right. This is all the Cryptocracy requires of
Mr. Buchanan: his undoubted intellectual and rhetorical gifts are
hostage to a self-defeating paradigm.

How unlike the Judaic strategy is this! The Judaics consistently forge
ahead with the most radical beliefs in their arsenal and they support
the radicals in their midst to the hilt and without compromise. What
Buchanan and the circle around him forget is that we want only the best
people in our ranks. Buchanan brigades are not composed of people
willing to expose Judaism or homicidal gas chambers. They are peopled by
those who are willing to suffer the prize indignity of having to seize
on “what is good in Judaism” and to do this they forge an alliance, for
example, with anti-Zionist followers of the Talmud.

These are the Neturei Karta -- “Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism.”
Let us translate that slogan into plain English: “Committed haters of
Jesus Christ United Against Zionism.
” There, I think we’ve broken the
spell and demonstrated the depth of depravity intrinsic to any alliance
or dealings with this group which is a very high-level Kabbalistic
vehicle for infiltrating the paleo-conservative Right and the
anti-Zionist Left. It was the late, great Israel Shahak who pointed out
that when the Neturei Karta wish to swear a curse on someone such as
Yassir Arafat, they would call him “Jesus Arafat.
” This is the recondite
side of these “Torah True Jews” (full disclosure: Talmud True Khazars).

Those paleo-conservatives who will have little or nothing to say in
protest of the deportation of gas chamber skeptic Germar Rudolf (see
yesterday’s Hoffman Wire: revisionisthistory.org/revisionist18.html),
for fear it will “discredit” them in the eyes of the Talk Radio drones,
are of no value to us. They are dead weight and we ought to cut them off
without regret. That was the whole point of the Third Party movement, to
get free of the Republican toxin.

One problem in the US is that with the demise of Spotlight newspaper and
the decline of the Institute for Historical Review we have lacked the
national organs of publicity and the tightly organized societies for
meetings and membership whereby we might canalize radical and
revolutionary thinking that will brook no compromise with wicked tyrants
like Skull and Bones Bush and his neo-con cabal.

As to the American Left, it too has considerable defects and I am not
only alluding to the Zionist Left that is in charge of the mainstream US
peace movement, or the Zionist Democrat party which was a partner with
Bush in the Weapons of Mass Destruction charlantry, and whose candidate
for president in 2004 was Bush’s lodge brother at Yale.

I am also referring to the Green Party, to “Counterpunch,” to the
Buddhists around the Dalai Lama who are sitting still while the Tibetan
leader bestows the Light of Truth award on Elie Wiesel, a propagandist
for Israeli war crimes who has written that “every Jew must preserve
within himself a healthy zone of hate for the German and what persists
in the German.” These Leftists are just as anxious about being
“discredited” by exposing their audience to radical revisionist truth as
are the paleo-conservatives.

As for the Arabs and Muslims in the US and Europe, they have some
enormous issues with which to grapple. These stem in part from the
abysmal failure of the fabulously wealthy oil sheikdoms who are rich
beyond the dreams of Midas, to purchase radio and TV stations and major
newspapers in the US, Canada and Europe, through naturalized or native
born agents. Al-Jazeera is one bright spot, but their report yesterday
on Germar’s deportation, was skimpy and inadequate.

In certain ways Islamic fundamentalists are symbiotic partners with the
Israelis. Like the Judaics, they wish to impose their religion on the
West, which has already been accomplished in the Judaic case through the
Holocaust” cult, which is essentially the religion of Judaism tailored
for gentile consumption
. When the president of Iran is so daft as to
publicly call for “wiping out Israel,” he might as well be on the
payroll of Ariel Sharon. When a descendant of Vincent Van Gogh is
stabbed to death in Holland because he has allegedly blasphemed
Mohammed, the Muslim wielding the knife has just put a big smile on the
kisser of rabbis worldwide

The Islamic fight against “blasphemy” is a medieval residue in a
post-Enlightenment world. It can only make Islam appear more and more
retrogade and from the caves. I do not counsel Muslims to give up
defending the rights of their religion. I only ask that they do so with
tactics tailored to the European citadels of intellect, not the
mountains of Afghanistan. Given these circumstances, every time Mohammed
is blasphemed by some Dutch film producer trying to win brownie points
with the Khazars, Muslims should blaspheme the Auschwitz gas chambers!

It is monkey-wrench thinking like this that is the ticket to a
breakthrough in the war of ideas.

By the same token, every time Jesus Christ is blasphemed by the media
magnates of New York and Hollywood, our pundits should poke fun at the
holy Auschwitz gas chamber relics in the American tradition of Mark
Twain and Ambrose Bierce.
But no leader in the paleo-conservative Right
would dare do such a thing. Highly effective, liberating,
turn-the-tables thinking is anathema to them. Their strategy is to sneak
up on the System, win the affection of millionaires who would be
threatened by radical tactics, and then gain the allegiance of the
American people. These tactics have been tried and have failed for fifty
years. The hour is too late.

The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has empowered King George to arrest
any American citizen on any pretext and imprison him or her
indefinitely, without trial. I could vanish into a gulag tomorrow on a
phony charge that I have ties to terrorists. You’d never see me again.
There would be no Writ of Habeas Corpus for me. No right to confront my
accusers, view the “evidence” against me and have my day in court. Our
immemorial common law rights have been overthrown by “conservative”
courts and a “conservative” president. If this be not grounds for
revolution, then what is? If not now, when? The legal framework of a
Soviet America is in place. Take a good long look at Michael Chertoff.
Then take a peek at the photos of Lenin’s Cheka commissars, circa 1918.
The resemblance is haunting. Same personnel, different century.

If US intelligence can pull of another 9/11 terror attack on American
soil, using another pack of mule-headed Islamic fundamentalist patsies,
then people like this writer will indeed begin to disappear into newly
constructed “Gitmo” type camps and Bush and his Democan/Republicract
successor can lock this country down the way Lenin did to Russia in the

With the freedom we still have available to us today, we must shake off
the deadly torpor of the Buchanan Brigades and the Cockburn Corps and
speak the unvarnished truth with every spiritual and intellectual
resource available, in the tradition of Charles Lindbergh and Charles
Coughlin, beginning with vigorous protest and publicity for Germar
Rudolf, a martyr to freedom of speech and inquiry on the level of
Servetus and Zenger.

“First they came for Germar Rudolf, but I did nothing because I was not
a doubter of the gas chambers....Then they came for Michael A. Hoffman
II, but I did nothing because I was not opposed to Judaism...Then
they came for me and there was no one left to protest!”

Will the preceding be the epitaph written on the tomb of American

I personally would withhold every dollar of contribution and every
breath of allegiance from all those across the political spectrum, from
Patrick J. Buchanan to Alexander Cockburn -- from whomever fails to lift
their pen or their voice on behalf of this beautiful soul Germar Rudolf,
who is suffering now in a dungeon in Germany for fulfilling the highest
aspirations of western civilization: to follow the truth wherever it may

O Tempora! O Mores!
Three things are sacred to me: first Truth, and then, in its tracks, primordial prayer; Then virtue–nobility of soul which, in God walks on the path of beauty. Frithjof Schuon
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Old 11-17-2005, 11:39 AM
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Freeman, I will stand in the Dock any day with Zundel, Rudolf and Irving and proclaim that there never was a FIRST holocaust.

What is becoming clear is why the jew has been hated down through history and kicked out of every country in which he gained numbers and positions of power and authority.

Even the Egyptians called them sagaz eber - the cutthroats from across the river.

Face it, you gotta be doing something wrong for the whole world to hate your ass.

Draken, many thanks, my friend, for the regular updating. I check your thread first for the latest. You are a Magyar Prince of the first order. May all our efforts bear good fruit.

Mentioning Zundel, Rudolf and Irving, could it be that we have the "three witness" at the ready on the world stage? They can certainly give testimony regarding the Beast.

Just some food for thought.
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:25 PM
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The whole thing is so bizarre i'd rather comment in depth on shape shifting lizards.

I cannot for the life of me get my head around it.

Would ANYONE in their right mind, think that by arresting people for their views and statements on a historical subject, think that will stifle debate when it obviously does the exact opposite?

There is only one conclusion. And it seems the most logical. "They" want to foment anti-semitism as MUCH as possible. Just from the economic point of view. With the wealthier Jews leaving Israel for safe havens in the South (Oz, South America) and possible wealthy Jews simply staying away out of good taste...it seems obvious the Zionist movement will beneift from the "persecution" if it can provoke enough hate that immigration of the more well to do (rather than those poor Russian "scum Jews") into Israel increases.
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Old 11-17-2005, 06:52 PM
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There is only one conclusion. And it seems the most logical. "They" want to foment anti-semitism as MUCH as possible.
Yeah, pretty much a fait accompli.
Whether to encourage immigration to Israel or just to heighten global tensions remains to be seen.
Remember, even the Protocols stipulate that Jews are disposable commodities in this conspiracy.
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Old 11-17-2005, 08:01 PM
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Freeman, to absolve the average jew of the guilt of Zionist jews, it follows logically that the average German should be absolved of any guilt of the Nazi Germans.

The Nazi Germans are guilty of waging war to protect ethnic Germans in the Danzig Corridor and to throw off atheistic Communism on their eastern border.

What are the Zionists guilty of? They have declared war on the whole world. Their plan is to conquor it all, killing 2/3rds of the world's population in the process.

Jews say Germans should have known what was going on in the camps. History has already proven that NOTHING was going on in the camps but work.

It was the fetid imagination and lying tongue of the jew who created the myth of the holocaust and the Germans have paid the price for their lies for 60 years. What of their guilt? Those "survivors" and those who have made fortunes many times over as a result of these lies, what of their guilt?

What of the jewish sahanim? (Sorry, don't have time to check spelling) What is their part but aiding and abetting the Zionists in their dirty work at the hands of the Mossad?

What of the citizens of Israel who are living in a land stolen by the Zionists while they massacre the indiginous population of Palestinians? Settlers are just as murderous as the IDF. They have received stolen merchandise and murdered to keep it. What of their guilt?

Where are the thousands of freedom loving jews while their Zionist henchmen try three men for telling the truth about history? Where is their indignation? These three innocent men are just the latest. Many naturalized U.S. citizens have been stripped of teir citizenship and shipped to either Germany or Israel for "war crimes."

Today's IDF makes Hitler's Brown Shirts and SS look like choir boys. Hell, throw the US and the British in that pot, too. They are all guilty of war crimes worse than Germany. The only innocent ones, at the end of the day, ARE the Germans.
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. We take it away from them. They don't die for the honor and glory of their country. We kill them."-- Admiral Gene LaRocque
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Old 11-18-2005, 01:16 AM
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In my opinion, the question of Sayanim is key in this discussion because it could be <a href="http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zgrams/zg1999/zg9907/990723.html">any person who is 100% Jewish, not necessarily an Israeli citizen who lives abroad</a>.

Well, that really does not narrow it down, does it?

I heard a story recently concerning a family friend who said that she had a Mossad agent living in her flat for a couple of days, while this agent was on a mission!

If every Jewish person who has relatives in Israel is a possible Sayan operative, how can I tell a Sayan operative from an innocent, honest Jew?

"People make the mistake of thinking the Mossad is at a disadvantage by not having stations in obvious target countries. The United States, for example, has a station in Moscow and the Russians have stations in Washington and New York. But Israel doesn't have a station in Damascus. They don't understand that the Mossad regards the whole world outside Israel as a target, including Europe and the United States..."
("By Way of Deception" was published by the Toronto Stoddart Publishing Co. Ltd., in 1990. The excerpt above comes from page 87)
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