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Old 12-09-2004, 05:37 PM
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Quit your government job, I'm tired of carrying you. Also, refuse to attend a government run university as a "student", they're just brainwashing you with socialist ( theftist ) lies. Start your own business instead.

The biggest contribution a person can make towards halting the NWO juggernaut is to quit their government job. Morally speaking ALL TAXATION IS THEFT and therefore any one who collects a government check or contract ( a PARASITE ) is stealing. See: http://www.libertocracy.com/Webessays/taxation.htm . Their entire check is stolen money and they pay no taxes because the "taxes" they pay are just a return of stolen money to the MAFIA GOVERNMENT. People must learn that government has no money and that any money it does spend means that some other hardworking father/family somewhere in the laissez-faire, voluntary sector of the economy must cut back on nutritious food, clothing, shelter, self-defense, charity, self-healthcare, self-education AND NUMBER OF CHILDREN ( preventing a life that would have existed is the moral equivalent of murder ). These cutbacks cause that family to break down and when it happens to many families it is called a social breakdown.
People need to understand that there is a spiritual law that says Laudable Designs When Achieved Through Coercion Become Demonic. This means that if a person has even a good project to achieve, it will fail and costs will far exceed benefits, if the means used to achieve that goal ( like taxation ) involve forcibly interfering in anothers life.
And people who say they believe in the God of the Bible should know that after they die of old age ( hopefully ) there will be a spiritual judgment day. That each person will be judged by their thoughts, words and deeds and the intentions and motivations behind their thoughts, words and deeds. Rewards and punishments will be handed out. So people must realise that their crimes of prospering from the stolen loot called taxes will not go unpunished and that justice will be established by God ( your Creator because you did not create yourself by an act of your free-will ).
Again, to hinder and hamper the NWO agenda people should stop assisting with that agenda and quit their government job because they ARE hurting other people. Actually it is not a real job but is literally JOB WELFARE. Any goal or project can be achieved better by people organizing voluntarily like in a real capitalistic business rather that people organizing coercively like the SATANIC STATE does.
And, just briefly here, another major blow to the NWO agenda would be for everyone to stop using any of their so-called money. The system in place now should be called legalized counterfeiting and is probably the main component in advancing the NWO agenda. But now there is an alternative to this debased currency that people could start gradually using and promoting. You can read about it at www.libertydollar.org .

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Old 12-09-2004, 05:52 PM
marypopinz marypopinz is offline
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“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
– Edmund Burke

Took this quote from the Libertydollar site. Very interesting food for thought! Great find.

Mary XXX
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Old 12-09-2004, 07:01 PM
MtnMan MtnMan is offline
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Sure, nice ideals and all, but I think usury is far worse. Taxes do actually benefit society in a way.
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Old 12-09-2004, 07:13 PM
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What do you mean by usury Man Mountain Mike?
Interest on loans? The crux of the issue is that people are forced to pay taxes but nobody is forced to take a loan out.
Also I said that the costs of taxation outweigh the benefits that would have accrued to the tax victim and the spin-off recipients of his money.
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Old 12-09-2004, 09:23 PM
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Okay Anonymous dude, you just opened a whole new can of worms with topic. Conratulations! :-P
Cause this goes right into the fiat money scam.
The IRS is used as a cover to mask the fraud of taxation. All this talk about, "your tax dollars at work" is straight up propaganda. The government does'nt need revenue from the people to run itself since they can print all they want.
The purpose of taxation is a consumption check on the people by taking what the people pay out of circulation. The govt. then prints and spends 10x more than what's taken out of circulation so they can coerce us to use the fake money by holding a cloud of debt over our heads that came out of thin air. If everyone in the world stopped paying taxes, they would quickly see how worthless their paper currency really is. Does this work for you? :-P
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Old 12-09-2004, 09:40 PM
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I have heard what you wrote before but I don't understand what you mean. If all taxation for a year amounts to 51% and then currency inflation is say 10 % on the high end, then which is more?
Taxation is the bigger culprit. Am I missing something? Respectfully.
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Old 12-09-2004, 09:30 PM
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Taxes and Socialism are fine if there are independent checks and balances in place which government has systemically removed.

I.E. The Nova Scotia Bar used to be investigated by an independent body and the government, who are a bunch of crooked doctors and LAWYERS, CHANGED THE LAW, so they are self-regulating. A bit like the fox in the hen-house.

Similarily, Blue Cross runs MSI, our socialized medicine which is being drained so as to introduce privatised medicine... the two tier system that currently works in Britian..

The little blue booklet the anal retentive idiot hands you at the human rights office in no way, shape, nor form, resembles the Canadian Charter of Rights. Law by law,line by line, Canadian rights are being stripped away.

Wait until middle class Joe gets hits with interest hikes on all his debt for all those things he thought he needed and his wifey is bitching cuz she can't get toe nail extensions; Maybe the sheeple will care then.

"I don't care was made to care and all the people who followed." - My mum

The bullshit our government and their friends are getting away with is absolutley rediculous. There has got to be a better way.

What goes around comes around...

Mary X
N.B. I am self-employed and this government can swing before they get a penny from me. I owe who what? I won't pay a penny and IF their were checks and balances in place I would love to contribute to a social net where healthcare was available for all along with a good education and a sound governmnet, not these pathetic morons who are running the show.

With these things in place, the welfare state could be eliminated. Teach a child to read and you open up the world.

Health is wealth. Knowledge is freedom.
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Old 12-09-2004, 09:49 PM
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Taxes ( theft ) and socialism ( theftism ) are not fine because they violate moral principles and therefore will not work.
Example: If Hillary Clinton and her 50 million followers would donate 20% of their time each week to work in the health/death care industry on a voluntary basis then costs would come down 20%.
But if she decides to have a coercive system whereby they rob other people, keep half the money themselves and then hire other people to do health/death care work then costs will skyrocket.
Hillary is a very generous person - WITH OTHER PEOPLES MONEY!
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Old 12-19-2004, 03:56 PM
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By Harry Browne

Perhaps the fastest way to make America a free country again would be to repeal all income taxes – the personal income, corporate, gift, estate and Social Security taxes.

This would create at least five very important benefits:

1. An increase for you

The first is an enormous increase in your take-home pay.

Take a look at last year's tax return or your paycheck stub. See how much you pay now in income and Social Security taxes. If yours is a typical middle-class family, that's probably at least $10,000 per year.

When we repeal those taxes, what will you do with that extra money?

Will you put your children in a private school where they'll get the education you want for them?

Will you start your own business?

Will you support your church or favorite charity in a way you never could do before?

Will you buy a new home, or take your family on the vacation you've always wanted but could never afford?

That money is yours. You're the one who gets up every morning and puts in long hours to support your family.

You should have every dollar you earn – to spend, to save, to give away as you think best.

2. An increase for your associates

Everyone you deal with – your employer and your company's customers – will get a similar increase in take-home pay.

If you work for a company, your employer will have far more money to spend on you and other employees. And he'll have to spend a lot of it on you, because his competitors will have more money, too – enabling them to bid more for your services.

If you're in business, your customers will have more money to spend with you.

3. An increase for everyone

In fact, everyone in America will have more money. This will unleash the greatest prosperity America has ever known.

Even those who pay no income taxes now will benefit, because others can hire or help them more easily.

4. Free to do as you please

The fourth benefit is that your life finally will be your own.

You won't have to trust your employer with your retirement money, since tax deferral won't be an issue. You could simply divide your savings among a few banks, or put them in Treasury bills, and be safer and enjoy a better return than Social Security offers – and you won't have to worry about corporate scandals.

No more fear of an IRS audit. No more snooping into your personal financial records. No more having to account for everything you earn and spend.

A flat tax won't end the IRS. Even if you could file your return on a postcard, the government would still force you to verify that all the numbers are correct.

Having an IRS Gestapo may be typical of most nations, but no country is truly "free" so long as there's such an agency.

5. Neutralizing the government

Perhaps the most important benefit of all is simply this:

Politicians will no longer have the resources to cripple the economy and run everyone's life.

Without the income tax to finance them, the politicians can't interfere with health care, education, charity, farming, business or any other area of society.

Before the income tax began in 1913, the politicians sometimes raised rates on tariffs and excise taxes to finance their harebrained schemes. But people simply bought less of the products that were taxed – reducing the government's revenue and forcing the politicians to give up their grand plans.

But with the income tax, there's no limit to how much they can tax us. You can't stop earning a living whenever the tax rate is too high. As a result, the top rate reached 94 percent during World War II – and it didn't fall below 70 percent until 1982.

In 1912, the federal budget (in 2002 dollars) was $12 billion. Today it's $2 trillion – only because the income tax makes it possible.

With no income taxes, economic necessity will force the politicians to abide by the Constitution. America will be a free country once again.

Free at last!

You can, if you choose, rejoice when tax rates are reduced slightly. But I want much more than that.

I want an end to all income taxes. And there's no good reason we can't have that.

If the feds would focus on national defense instead of offense, we'd be better protected with a $100 billion federal budget than we are now.

Social Security could be liquidated by selling off federal properties that serve no constitutional purpose – using the proceeds to buy private annuities for everyone who's dependent on Social Security now or will be in the next 15 years. Everyone else will be ahead just by repealing the Social Security tax.

The benefits of liberty are boundless. The tyrannies of government can be limitless as well.

Which do you choose?
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Old 12-19-2004, 05:00 PM
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First, even extending my imagination to its outermost limits and assuming that you can actually somehow achieve this goal of total tax repeal without the inevitable backlash from the Illuminati, I am still puzzled by a few points you seem to have omitted:
1) How will you fund defense? Even without the phony war on terrorism and the constant machinations of war exercised by the NWO to generate profit and cull the population, isn't some level of national defense a worthy --- and expensive goal?
2)How will you fund other necessary civic projects, like roads, bridges, school systems.
3)What will you do with the millions of government employees forced onto the unemployment roles by this grand gesture? (Remember, these are governemnt employees, and as such, they are not capable of gainful employment in very many other positions.)
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