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Old 10-31-2005, 03:46 PM
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The link to the transcript of David Cole's documentary is <a href="http://www.codoh.com/newsite/GasChambers/DavidCole/adoc02a.html">HERE</a>, where you can read about the lampshade and shrunken heads (!) business, too.

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Old 10-31-2005, 08:42 PM
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Old 11-01-2005, 07:23 AM
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Old 11-02-2005, 05:17 AM
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Hey Bouncer,

don't you think it's funny that when a Gentile scientist or historian points out the truth, s/he is guilty until proven innocent of "anti-Semitism" and only when a Jewish one points out the same truth is it believed or accepted. Mind you, not always of course, because there are some "sacred cows" that are not supposed to be touched. The ADL doesn't care whether it's a Gentile or a Jew touching that "sacred cow", as the fate of David Cole so eloquently shows.
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Old 11-12-2005, 03:19 AM
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<a href="http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=11/10/2005&Cat=2&Num=007">Zionist power stems from West's belief in "Holocaust" myth: Faurisson</a>

Tehran Times Political Desk
TEHRAN – Following the designation of a day as “Holocaust Day” by the United Nations, the Mehr News Agency conducted an interview with French professor Robert Faurisson on November 2 about the motivations behind this move. In the interview, the professor says that Zionists will not tolerate any questioning of the “Holocaust” and argues that the more the Western public believes in the “Holocaust” the more Muslims will be killed.

Following is the text of the interview:

Q: As you know the UN General Assembly on Tuesday (November 1) passed a resolution designating January 27 as an international day of commemoration of the Jewish and other victims of the Holocaust. What is your view on the decision at this time?

Faurisson: For many years now I have been telling my acquaintances in the Muslim world that the Jews and the Zionists want to impose the religion of the alleged "Holocaust" of the Jews on the whole world. It is normal that Jews and Zionists should seek to foist such an imposture on us, for it is the sword and the shield of the Jews in general and of the Jewish State in particular. It is also normal that the Jews and the Zionists should have got the UN to submit to their will to power and so decree that every year the six billion people who inhabit the Earth shall be reminded of the "Holocaust". The Muslim world has been awakening from its too long torpor for only a few years. It ought to have listened to the revisionists long ago and denounced out loud the sham of an alleged German project to exterminate the Jews, the alleged Nazi gas chambers and the alleged six million Jewish victims.

Q: The Holocaust is (claimed) alleged to have happened in Europe so why is its commemoration being set by an international body like the UN?

Faurisson: Allow me to tell you that your question tends to prove that you haven't understood the warnings given by the revisionists. Whenever I, for my part, told Muslims: "Be revisionists! Support the revisionists! Try to understand that it's in your interest to do so", they would respond saying: "All that doesn't concern us. It's a matter between Europeans or Westerners, Jews or Christians. It happened in Europe." For me, such an answer was discouraging but I would come charging back saying: "Open your eyes! What makes for the strength of the Jewish State is the political support, rooted in supposedly ethical grounds, that it enjoys in the entire Western world, where people feel sorry for the Jews because they believe that, during the Second World War, the Germans sought to exterminate them physically, in particular in the alleged gas chambers (not to be confused with the cremation ovens, which did actually exist and about which there was positively nothing criminal).” If the whole world – in particular, Germany and the United States – lays out so much money to the Jewish State and if the media of all the Western countries overwhelm us with propaganda about the "Holocaust", it's because the citizens of all those Western countries, swamped with Jewish propaganda as they are, believe the "Holocaust" lie and, as long as they believe it, will feel bound to support the Jews and to supply the Jewish State and the Jewish Army with ever more money and arms. The more those in the West believe in the "Holocaust", the more Muslims they will kill and cause to be killed in Palestine, in Afghanistan, in Iraq or elsewhere.

Q: The resolution was first proposed by Australia, Canada, Israel, Russia and the United States, but it was also supported by former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations John C. Danforth and Congressman Tom Lantos, a Democrat from California, who belongs to the Jewish lobby; in view of these facts, how do you assess Jewish power on the international scene with regard to the issue?

Faurisson: The Jews' power stems directly from the Western world's near-total belief in the phenomenal lie of the "Holocaust". You needn't look any further.

Q: Mr. Faurisson, I know that like some other revisionists, such as <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=2592&forum=14 ">Ernest Zundel</a>, you have been attacked and beaten by Jewish militia for saying that the Holocaust is “the hoax of the twentieth century” and asking “Show me or draw me a Nazi gas chamber! Stop giving me just words”. If the Holocaust story is true, why don’t the Jews tolerate other points of view on the issue?

Faurisson: The Jews do not tolerate any questioning of the "Holocaust". Against the revisionists they use physical violence and judicial repression because, on the level of historical and scientific argumentation, they have been defeated hands down by the revisionists. We have been able to expose their lies, one by one. Therefore Jews and Zionists seek refuge in violence and intimidation. They treat revisionists like Palestinians.

Q: What has to be done on the international scene by Islamic countries to oppose such practices?

Faurisson: My answer is simple: Islamic countries need to destroy the Jews' and Zionists' veritable "atomic weapon", that is, the appalling and gigantic imposture of the "Holocaust" that up to now has been poisoning the Western world and is henceforth imposed on us by the UN in the entire world. In your public demonstrations and talks, repeat after the revisionists: "The 'Holocaust' is a lie". Have the courage to proclaim this salutary truth.


Robert Faurisson is Europe's leading Holocaust revisionist scholar. He was educated at the Paris Sorbonne, and served as associate professor at the University of Lyon in France from 1974 until 1990. He is a recognized specialist of text and document analysis. After years of private research and study, Dr. Faurisson first made public his skeptical views about the Holocaust extermination story in articles published in 1978 in the French daily Le Monde. His writings on the Holocaust issue have appeared in two books and numerous scholarly articles, many of which have been published in the IHR's Journal of Historical Review.

Known as the dean of the world-wide devisionist movement and principal teacher of Ernst Zündel, Dr. Faurisson first discovered the technical and architectural drawings of the Auschwitz morgues, the crematories and other installations. He was also the first to insist that only a U.S. gas chamber expert could unravel the technical impossibility of the Auschwitz homicidal gassing story -- as falsely told to the public for over half a century. Zündel mentor, advisor and trial witness in the 1984 preliminary hearings and in the 1985 and 1988 Great Holocaust Trials. Slated as expert witness for the 1991 Munich trial of Ernst Zündel.
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Old 11-20-2005, 07:48 AM
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The Jewish war
on freedom of speech

Corporate West causes terror
in order to profit from it

By John Kaminski

We have been betrayed by leaders known to us and by those unknown to us. The elected and unelected. Is there a crime worse than betrayal by leaders? .... Holocaust revisionism is at the cutting edge of contemporary thought.
— J. B. Campbell, The New American Man: A Call to Arms

One by one, those who oppose the manipulated Jewish version of history are being forcibly removed from society, and silenced because their views conflict with the program of mind-controlled slavery that has been meticulously crafted by the people who control the world by controlling the money.

Three leading historical revisionists — first, Ernst Zündel; then, Germar Rudolf; now, David Irving — are all under the gun in European courts, charged with crimes they are not even allowed to defend themselves against.

But the worldwide Jewish assault on freedom of speech reaches much, much farther than that. A kangaroo court packed with Israeli settlers as witnesses is now roasting of Palestinian benefactor Sami Al-Arian in Tampa. Anyone who realizes Sami's innocence (prosecution of him would not have been possible before the passage of the Patriot Act) and supports him suddenly receives a home visit from the FBI and IRS aimed at intimidating them into silence. The tactic works. Sami’s support has dwindled.

And at least two deposed leaders of nations — Slobodan Milosevic of Serbia and Saddam Hussein of Iraq — have through their words from unjust imprisonment risen to the status of heroes in the fight against the Jewish war machine that slaughters innocents in many countries around the world, and trumpets its right to pretend to an exalted, immune status that they insist nonJews are simply not eligible for. Everything the Western press has said about both vilified characters has been deliberately twisted negatively. Media manipulation of the facts of history is the second-best weapon in the arsenal of the Jewish war machine. The first, of course, would be money.

Orwell's "newspeak" thus arrives in nonfiction history couched in the language of the Jewish spy agency named the Anti-Defamation League. Anyone who questions the unprovable story of gas chambers in World War Two immediately gets slammed into jail, especially if you live in Germany or Canada, two satellite toadies to the Jewish-controlled U.S./UK/Israeli axis of evil now plundering the planet for profit.

Jewish observers of these statements immediately lapse into their disingenuous fusillade of aspersions beneath the banner of their cynical credo — anti-semitism — most, without realizing that many millions of people now know of centuries-long plans by the world's elitist organizations — notably churches — to subvert and control the minds of the human citizens of this planet. The Jews are not without a very curious history of collapses of societies in which they have risen to prominence: Rome, Venice, Spain, Britain, Russia, Germany, and now, the United States.

Today, new laws in most Western nations (arbitrary geographic divisions of the monolithic social force known as the Corporate West) prohibit even discussing such matters. The macabre legal phraseology the thought-controllers use is "defaming the memory of the dead."

The great laugh in this, as one of my fellow alarmists once mentioned, is that the creators of this law may feign concern about the reputations of deceased martyrs, but they sure don't care much about the living, judging by other behavior by the same group.

But this is no laughing matter. Because the real issue is freedom of speech for every person, and even more than that, it's about freedom of thought.

Fact: In most countries of the Corporate West, you may not even consider that much-maligned assertion trumpeted with certainty by men with such intellectual integrity as Rudolf and Zundel, both of whom are dismissed as white supremacists and sequestered from the realm of human communication so the the rest of the world won't get the information Jews are so desperately trying to conceal — namely, about their perfidy during World War II and their control of the financial forces that allow them to unduly influence all of the major governments in the world.

The dean of the Holocaust Revisionist movement, Robert Faurisson of France, has been expressing it best for almost 30 years. “Show me or draw me a Nazi gas chamber!"

And in all that time, despite the ubiquitous and obscene hysteria of Jewish sewer tales, this evidence proving the existence of the Auschwitz gas chambers has yet to be brought forth for comprehensive public scrutiny. There can be only one answer to this mystery.

Yet with calculated choruses of ritualized mourning, the new Jewish Holocaust religion creeps around the world, spread by the efforts of a powerful yet clandestine network of Jewish supremacists, stifling thought and promoting Jewish profligacy and poverty and misery for everybody else wherever it spreads.

This is the result, despite the best efforts of the worldwide Jewish spin machine — which includes public schools and medical profession — of trying to convince us there was a deliberate policy of extermination of a certain ethnic group during World War II, and most importantly, that this is a tragedy that we should worship.

No one quibbles that Jews died, although the actual number ranges all the way down to 875,000, a number once reported by the Associated Press. But it is the argument about the gassings, and other side issues that put the Jews in a bad light, that sends all these people to jail.

To that end, hundreds if not thousands of Holocaust museums have sprung up across the United States, all funded by taxpayer dollars. Gee, imagine that? Whatever happened to separation of church and state? (Yes, I know; Bush got a hold of it.)

As trenchant Jewish critic Norman Finkelstein has pointed out, the Jewish community has made a mockery of decency by shoving this Holocaust worship down the throats of everyone else. Lenni Brenner and other relatively objective Jewish observers have chronicled the sorry role of international Jewish organizations complicit with Hitler in the manipulation of Europe's Jewish population for purposes of finagling a Jewish state in Palestine.

Yet most Jewish critics of Jewish behavior continue to deny the basic fiction of the German gassings even as they bemoan the pathology of the Jewish proclivity to suggest that Jewish dead are somehow more valuable than nonJewish dead.

And anyone who tries to stand up to this thought-control tyranny, if they are in the truculent satellite countries of the Corporate West axis of evil, is immediately silenced and thrown into jail for saying things that are simply not allowed by our Jewish keepers.

Perhaps an even worse effect is that hundreds of otherwise progressive news sources are effectively constrained from even reporting honestly on this very crucial issue to human development because of these insane hate speech laws regarding the Holocaust that are spreading around the world.

Ironically, the real hate speech comes from the very people who passed these laws.

The assertion that six million Jews were murdered in gas chambers by Germans does not stand in the light of critical and objective scrutiny, and never has. It is only the Zionist spin machine, which controls far more of your thought than you know, insisting on the fiction, repeating the propaganda, that has allowed this mistaken idea to take hold in the public mind. Call it the Lee Harvey Oswald principle.

It is merely a twisted legend of remembered misery fostered by a self-referential hysteria based upon an ancient edict that declares one random group of people in the desert are, in perpetuity, so vastly superior to every other group of humans on the planet that they may commit any crime against any nonJew without penalty. And this is precisely the madness that today has our world in a death grip.

Ernst Zundel's trial, a phony Jewish circus if there ever was one, has been postponed til after the holidays. The German judge fired Ernst's defense attorney and appointed a more suitable one provided by the state. Has there been a darker picture of justice in the Corporate West than this? Sure, every day.

Justice in the Corporate West these days is marked by American-hired mercenaries in black hoods using cattle prods on the orifices of people they know are innocent. That is the hallmark behavior of the real axis of evil: Britain, Israel, and the United States.

The rest of the world may not let this situation go on much longer, particularly since the Jewish infiltration of the U.S. government, as well as the U.S. entertainment, medical, and financial systems has as its objective the collapse of the entire world society and the consequently lucrative fire sale profits that will be available during the process of repairing a collapsed world structure. It's a place where we're headed where freedom is simply not on the menu.

Of the two free speech activists now imprisoned in Germany (Irving was Nov. 16 in Austria), Germar Rudolf may be the more significant arrest. His body of work is so academically scrupulous and his conclusions so definitive and persuasive that the Jews who run the Zionist murder machine simply had to get him off the street.

As Michael Hoffman reported:

Of all the scientists who have scrutinized the Auschwitz gas chamber yarn, Rudolf was the most meticulous and dispassionate. His deportation to face a prison sentence in the German-Israeli banana republic is a tragedy. To claim that he incited racial hatred because he cast doubt on the dogma of homicidal gas chambers is like arresting a scientist who
questions the Catholic dogma of the Virgin Birth because it might "incite hatred" of Italians. This is just too stupid.

And even creepier, now, when you pay attention to the corporate spun news, you see new stories almost every day: people being swept up for not thinking the right thoughts, people being jailed for decades for simply having thoughts and taking actions that show they have a sense of humanity and honesty, and are unwilling to accept the facile lies by a social establishment that is drenched in Jewish money, and skewing all the facts of existence for profit.

You think my statements are over the top? Consider this — the central core of the Holocaust debate: the gas chambers at Auschwitz.

This bold assertion, which has skewed all political dealings in the world since it was alleged to have happened in 1945, is only the last surviving bit of hyperbole from a much larger and much more ridiculous retinue of preposterous claims put forth by Jewish media over time to popularize Holocaust fever. These range from using the skin of dead Jews to make lampshades and soap. The term Holocaust itself stems from a phrase used by a famous writer that has now been proven false.

Jewish hysteric Elie Wiesel won the Nobel prize for literature for his accounts of the Holocaust, and his critics have proven his statements a work of fiction. Here is Faurisson’s assessment:

Elie Wiesel passes for one of the most celebrated eyewitnesses to the alleged Holocaust. Yet in his supposedly autobiographical book Night, he makes no mention of gas chambers. He claims instead to have witnessed Jews being burned alive, a story now dismissed by all historians. Wiesel gives credence to the most absurd stories of other "eyewitnesses." He spreads fantastic tales of 10,000 persons sent to their deaths each day in Buchenwald.

When Elie Wiesel and his father, as Auschwitz prisoners, had the choice of either leaving with their retreating German "executioners," or remaining behind in the camp to await the Soviet "liberators," the two decided to leave with their German captors.

It is time, in the name of truth and out of respect for the genuine
sufferings of the victims of the Second World War, that historians return to the proven methods of historical criticism, and that the testimony of the Holocaust "eyewitnesses" be subjected to rigorous scrutiny rather than unquestioning acceptance.

Another observer of the Holocaust debacle writes:

Of course the Holocaust happened, in a general sense. The question is how much of it happened. Only an idiot would say "the Holocaust didn't happen." The other side tries to pretend that revisionism is "Holocaust denial." When you say "the Holocaust didn't happen," you are just playing right into their hands, and discrediting revisionism.

The above link lists six reasons why the gas chamber story is a lie, which I will synopsize.

1. The room Jews claim was the Auschwitz gas chamber clearly isn’t that and wasn’t that (open the link and study the documentary photos).

2. Germans are meticulous record keepers. Many documents were seized after World War II. None ever contained any written plans to exterminate Jews.

3. There are no live photographs of people being gassed at Auschwitz.

4. Jewish witness testimony doesn’t prove there were gas chambers.

5. Standard (Jewish) reference books cannot be trusted.

6. Hitler stated his intentions openly, and the Nazis committed atrocities openly.

There is no valid evidence for the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz, only a concerted effort by Jewish media to convince people there were.

Contemplate the reasons why this is happening, and see how they pertain to your own health.

These thoughts need to be articulated.

Humans are decent people, not robotoids who need to be molded by social forces into banal, braindead docility.

The infinite flower that is the human individual should be nurtured and cherished, not controlled, abused and murdered for reasons that are lies.

Ladies and gentlemen: Some few of you already know this, but most of you don’t. Especially note the number of apparently progressive publications who will not run this story because it mentions Jews. Do you now realize you yourself are a prisoner in the Jewish war on freedom of speech?

As you sit there on your couch reading, in your comfortable home, watching a Hollywood movie, eating corporate food, believing in a groovy, synthetic god, sucking down an aspartame-laden Diet Coke, do you have any idea of what the poet William Blake once called “mind-forg’d manacles?”

Be careful what you think. You could be jailed for it at any time, especially if what you think is about Jews. This is the new American way. I wonder where it came from.
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Old 12-11-2005, 06:28 PM
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Mostly see Oz,US, and Canada represented here. Obviously, the North American/Britain version of the story is a white wash. Surely, there must be a German out there willing to share with us?
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Lice 'undermined Napoleon's army'

Napoleon's 1812 Eastern campaign was a disaster
Hard genetic evidence that lice-borne disease played a key role in Napoleon's disastrous retreat through Russia in 1812 has been produced by researchers.

Experts analysed dental pulp extracted from the teeth of soldiers who died during the campaign.

They found lice-borne versions of typhus and trench fever ran rampant among the French Grand Army.

The study, by the Université de la Méditerranée in Marseille, is published by the Journal of Infectious Diseases.

Wherever there is warfare there is always infectious disease.

Dr Carole Reeves

Napoleon marched into Russia in the summer of 1812 with 500,000 soldiers.

Only a few thousand staggered out again, victims of war, weather, and disease.

Twenty-five thousand arrived in Vilnius that winter, but only 3,000 lived to continue the retreat. The dead were buried in mass graves.

Construction work in 2001 unearthed one such grave, containing between 2,000 and 3,000 corpses.

Bone fragments

Researchers led by Dr Didier Raoult identified body segments of five lice in a forensic excavation of two kilograms of earth containing fragments of bone and remnants of clothing.

Three of the lice carried DNA from Bartonella quintana, which causes the disease commonly known as trench fever and afflicted many soldiers in World War I.

The team analyzed dental pulp from 72 teeth, taken from the remains of 35 soldiers.

Dental pulp from seven soldiers contained DNA from B. quintana, and pulp from three soldiers contained DNA from Rickettsia prowazakii, which causes epidemic typhus.

In all, 29% of the soldiers tested had evidence of either R. prowazkii or B. quintana infection.

Wherever there is warfare there is always infectious disease.

Dr Carole Reeves
Medical historian

The researchers said this suggests that louse-born diseases such as typhus and trench fever may have been a major factor contributing to Napoleon's retreat from Russia.

They believe analysing dental pulp for signs of DNA from infectious agents may become an important tool for investigating the history of communicable diseases.

Dr Carole Reeves, a medical historian, said it was ironic that teeth were now uncovering the health secrets of Napoleon's army, as they were widely salvaged at the Battle of Waterloo in order to make dentures.

"Wherever there is warfare there is always infectious disease," she said.

"And up to World War I many deaths were caused by infectious disease rather than the warfare itself."

Typhus was still a danger up through WWll, signs around military compounds in Germany read, "5 MPH, Dust Spreds Typhus."

To keep down the lice population, mattresses and clothing had to be deloused on a regular basis in the camps. The delouser of choice was Zyklon B.
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