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Old 12-27-2004, 01:48 PM
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=avlj7S0nxSL0&refer=top_world _news

Indonesian Earthquake, Waves Kill 14,000 Across Asia (Update4)

Dec. 27 (Bloomberg) -- The death toll rose above 14,000 after an earthquake off the Indonesian island of Sumatra, the world's biggest in four decades, caused tsunami waves that devastated coastal towns from Thailand to India.

Yesterday's magnitude 9.0 quake generated waves as high as 10 meters (33 feet) that struck tourist resorts in Thailand, Malaysia and the Maldives. Sri Lanka reported more than 5,000 dead, while in Indonesia at least 4,448 were killed, prompting the governments of both countries to declare national disasters.

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The International Herald Tribune

Commentary: Asia stands divided against dollar and euro
By William Pesek Jr. Bloomberg News
Friday, December 3, 2004

Size matters, something that Southeast Asian economies have come to understand as they try to compete globally. It explains why they now invite Japan, China and South Korea to their regional meetings.

If Asia is going to wield real economic influence, the logic goes, it needs to get bigger. While the 10-member scope of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, or Asean, is fine, bringing Asia's three biggest economies into the fold makes it more relevant.

It's hard to get excited about Asia's sudden rush to create free-trade zones. The trend is a good one, of course. Asean nations and China this week agreed to cut tariffs on $100 billion of goods, paving the way in five years for a free-trade arena that could raise living standards for a third of the world's population.

Trouble is, such agreements are more symbolic than substantive. Asean's pact with China, for example, excludes sensitive goods like steel, iron, automobiles and sugar. It also steers clear of the service sector and nontariff barriers to trade. And you can bet Japan will doggedly protect its farmers when it begins free-trade negotiations with Asean in April.

What the region needs is a euro-zone model of economic integration and even a single currency. Sadly, this week's Asean meeting all but ignored these important issues.

"In an increasingly globalizing world, there is likely to be a greater synchronization of business cycles," says the Asian Development Bank president, Tadao Chino. "Hence, the benefits of having fewer currencies to conduct cross-border business, especially at the regional level, are likely to increase."

A regional currency could eliminate exchange-rate gyrations that hold back growth and scare investors. It could lead to greater convergence, bringing borrowing costs, fiscal policies and inflation trends into alignment. And bond yields might move lower across Asia.

Europe has done it. Latin America is talking about it. A number of Gulf states also want a common currency of their own. Can Asia be far from a similar move? Actually, yes. Asean has agreed that a common currency is a "distinct possibility" over time, but has made little progress, if any.

The Asean summit meeting in Vientiane, Laos, this week underscored the disparity among Asia's economies and cultures. The 10 members include functioning electoral democracies and authoritarian regimes ruled by Communists or military leaders. Living standards range from wealthy Singapore to impoverished Cambodia.

Pushing economic trends together, not surprisingly, is a logistical nightmare.

Asians also are reluctant to surrender control. A common Asian currency would necessitate a stability and growth pact like that in Europe, requiring governments to live within their means. That will not go over well with the Philippines and other countries plagued by chronic budget deficits.

Next, Asia would need one central bank to conduct monetary policy for Brunei, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Japan, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand and Vietnam. Anyone know a central banker who would even consider tackling such a Herculean task?

Yet some observers are optimistic. "It has been said that more economic will, political will is what will in the end bring about a convergence similar to that of Europe," says Roberto de Ocampo, a former Philippine finance secretary who heads the Asian Institute of Management. "The number of initiatives taken" by Asean "are proof of a sincere desire to move the region to convergence."

The challenge of aligning Asia's economies will make Europe's experience seem trivial. When the Maastricht Treaty - which set the euro in motion - was signed in 1992, Europe wasn't grappling with such a disparate mix of governments, economic fundamentals, underdeveloped financial markets and poverty. Some Asean economies don't even have bond markets yet.

Asian leaders also may find disincentives in past experience. In the best sense, the euro is an attempt to recreate what the United States did in the mid-1800s. It wasn't until the federal government printed "greenbacks" to finance the Civil War that the United States had a single currency. Its adoption by states that until then had issued their own currencies made the United States the world's biggest economy.

Europe has so far avoided the common-currency disasters of the past. Take the Latin Monetary Union of 1865, which joined Belgium, Bulgaria, France, Greece, Italy and Switzerland. It unraveled when economic problems spread throughout the region. The Scandinavian Monetary Union of 1873 collapsed in 1924.

Asia wants to steer clear of such misfortunes. That means that, for the foreseeable future, the region is likely to sidestep the single-currency issue. That's a shame given the potential benefits.

Europe can rest easy. Its common currency is unlikely to see competition from Asia anytime soon.

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Old 12-27-2004, 02:09 PM
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Very astute post, Ellar.
To which I would add this link which already declares this tsunami to be the single biggest disaster in Asian history, barely concealing the enthusiasm with which the NWO-controlled UN is licking its chops in anticipation of having to "rescue" (translation: consolidate and financially enslave) the entire affected region, something which, as your links point out, no one has been able to accomplish as of yet.

Asian Disaster May Be Costliest Ever

When one considers the recent trials and tribulations in this region, especially Indonesia, which has been at war with the central banksters and the IMF for several years, how absolutely...convenient that something like this should occur just now, preceded, of course, by the Bali terrorist attack, which still failed to rally significant support for the West's war on terror amongst the country's largely Islamic populace.
Will Asia be able to continue resisting the temptation to let the UN, IMF and other Illuminati front groups come in and loan them enough "funny money" at overwhelming usury rates to covetly usurp their sovereignty the same as they have done to the rest of the world?
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Old 12-27-2004, 02:27 PM
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Then, there is the old rumor that Tesla developed a way to create earthquakes, and the defense industry has perfected it. I remember reading in the last few months about some kind of weird experimental testing going on in Australia. Perhaps it wasn't an act of God .. but, instead test of the weaponry. Perhaps intended to create a reason for the NWO to loan a bunch of U.N. and IMF money to S.E. Asia..

Although highly unlikely, it is a possible conspiracy..
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Old 12-27-2004, 05:28 PM
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These might shed some light into high-tech “earthquake generation” & “weather control” in general…

Human Engineered Earthquakes

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HAARP & The 2003 Blackout

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China - Noon Turns Pitch Black From Freak Cloud - HAARP

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Old 12-27-2004, 05:48 PM
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Tesla said creating earthquakes and controlling

the weather IS scientifically possible. Because

I listen to the radio thanks to him ...

talk on the cell phone thanks to him ...

watch satellite tv with remote control

thanks to him ... and turn on and off such things

as my computer thanks to Tesla, I believe it.

Please tell me what has Einstein done for you ?
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Old 12-29-2004, 08:59 AM
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perhaps the earthquake was the result of innocent human industriousness ..

http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=10211&fcategory_desc=Under%20Re ported

...Now I don’t claim to be an expert on seismic activity, but there has been a series of events which led up to the 9.0 earthquake of the coast of Indonesia which can not be ignored. This all could be an enormous coincidence, but one must look at the information and choose for themselves whether there is anything to it.
On November 28th, one month ago, Reuters reported that during a 3 day span 169 whales and dolphins beached themselves in Tasmania, an island of the southern coast of mainland Australia and in New Zealand. The cause for these beachings is not known, but Bob Brown, a senator in the Australian parliament, said "sound bombing" or seismic tests of ocean floors to test for oil and gas had been carried out near the sites of the Tasmanian beachings recently.
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Old 12-29-2004, 10:35 AM
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I think the death/danger thread is relative to this thread and vice versa

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Old 12-29-2004, 11:27 AM
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aloon... Interesting information, that adds to the experiments going on in Austrailia, perhaps the whales were beached by some kind of Tesla experiment... and not sonar in origin.
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Old 12-29-2004, 12:24 PM
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What a tragedy. So many lives, & it can happen anywhere in the world. I hope it was not human made, whether an error, or just some experiment, for whatever the purpose. That would be insane, to put it mildly. Only "madmen" could think of such devastation...

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Old 12-29-2004, 06:37 PM
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According to news articles, Diego Garcia is located within the same range as the other severly overcome islands. Either the island has some very, very unknown method to protect itself,or the information is absolute lies about not having been affected. Let's see the proof,because geographic, oceanic, and seismic logic says that it had to have been hit, too. If it had been secured from the effects of the tsunami, being at such low elevation; then that would actually finger the US as the guilty party using scalar weaponry. That is for those of us who believe it exists. If the island has been devasted as has the others in the area, then that might indicate that Russia(?) or China (?) could be the guilty party. Whoever may have struck at the critical area of adjoining plates next to Sumatra to create such catastrophic results -- it is actually a monstrous act of war.


Without mercy, the death toll rises and the misery deepens

29 December 2004

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DIEGO GARCIA: How did it escape harm?

How did Diego Garcia, the British-owned island in the Indian Ocean and home of a US base for B2 bombers, escape the effects of the tsunami?

THE ISLAND, 1,000 MILES SOUTH OF INDIA AND WELL WITHIN RANGE OF THE WAVE, HAS A HIGHEST POINT OF 22FT AND AN AVERAGE ELEVATION OF 4FT, yet a spokesman for the US Pacific Command in Hawaii said that the base had not been harmed. Officials at the US Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre in Hawaii said Diego Garcia had been forewarned. Other countries were not, apparently because of a lack of contact details over a holiday weekend.



Evacuation from beaches cut deaths by hundreds in Kenya
By Adrian Blomfield in Nairobi
(Filed: 29/12/2004)

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• The United States navy base on the British island of Diego Garcia in the Indian ocean was spared damage from the tsunami, US officials said. Carolyn Bell, a spokesman for the US Geological Survey, said coral reefs might have dissipated some of the impact on the island, resulting in only a slightly higher tide.

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[That the the U.S. officials at the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center in Hawaii did not know whom to contact is an obvious lie.They are there just for that purpose.These professionals would know their international counterparts. It is probable that they were either ORDERED not to send warnings, or they were PREVENTED from doing so.]


Wednesday, December 29, 2004
A Wave of Questions: Putting a Disaster in Context

By Mickey Z.
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Why was there no warning? There was warning. Here’s how the folks at Democracy Now describe what happened: “Within minutes of the tsunami forming on Sunday, U.S. officials at the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center in Hawaii began tracking the waves. But the scientists claimed they had no one to contact in the Indian Ocean region about the possible danger. One exception was the British-owned island of Diego Garcia that houses a major US Naval base. The Independent of London reports that U.S. officials in Hawaii did warn Diego Garcia about the possible tsunami and the island suffered no major damage.”
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