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Old 01-30-2010, 12:04 AM
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As far as killing hundreds of thousands to create a distraction.

Okay, well.

Let's think about that.

Are they truly that sick?

Ponder that.

A Republican has now been elected to fill Ted Kennedy's seat.

Several democrats have recently resigned.

Obama is getting no where fast with Health Care reform or anything else of importance for that matter, such as creating jobs.

Am I right, thus far?

So, was an earthquake in Haiti necessary to distract the masses from these events?

Are they truly that sick?

Or is there some other reason for which they are gearing up if, in fact, this earthquake was man-made?

P.S. I think Steven Spielberg, Bill Gates, Oprah Winfrey, Conan O'Brien, Jay Leno and all the other wealthy elitists in our country should pool their money together to provide the necessary resources to rebuild Haiti, help the injured and provide relief.

Thanks for answering phones Spielberg, but I think my idea is much better.

How much did you donate to the Haiti relief fund?

What about the musicians who performed during the Haiti telethon?

Cheryl Crow, Stevie Wonder, etc., how much did they donate?

Just curious.

The rest of us folks, we give from our hearts, even though we're struggling in the economy that Bush wrecked and Obama can't seem to stimulate.


Thanks for siding with me on this one Mrs. Angel. To answer your question: Yes, these people are really that sick. There's absolutely nothing they wouldn't do to further their warped, pathological agenda. They are the Far Right. They are dedicated fascists.... Nazis....They are also immoral swine - you choose the term. They are also in control of horrendous weapons of mass destruction at this time, outside the immediate control of the elected Washington Government..... Silent, surreptitous weapons.... Weapons of cowards...

No, this disaster wasn't caused to create some sort of distraction. There are more blatant political objectives here - both long and short term. There may also be more tangible reasons for this attack, as you have said. Haiti has been at least rumored to have significant oil deposits. Haiti may also be in the process of being depopulated to make room for lucrative real estate development - in effect, turned into an island paradise for the wealthy...... Gentrified...

But it appears that the most overriding reason for this atrocity in the short term was election manipulation. Scenes of lawlessness and anarchy in an impoverished black country were projected in the media on an almost daily basis, and right before a crucial election determing the future of OBama's healthcare initiative. Do you not see how this plays out for the American people? In particular, for the white voters of Massachusetts? As everyone knows but will not openly admit, the quest for healthcare reform comes down to some rather ugly matters regarding race and class, and in that order. Do you not see how these daily scenes of lawlessness and anarchy in an impoverished black country could sway a potential white voter away from a liberal candidate and towards a more conservative candidate in the short term, even in the bluest of blue states - Massachusetts??? And away from a Senate seat once held by Ted Kennedy, a long time proponent of healthcare reform?

Yes, there's an ongoing war for the control of your mind being waged in the media, and the Far Right pulled out all the stops to win this one, staging a major political victory. The wealthy Republicans will no longer have to worry about waiting in line for their healthcare, and the not-so-fortunate will continue to die trying to get it. The Repulicans now have their legislative right and political mandate to filibuster the healthcare bill into oblivion, and OBama will soon be confronted with a humanitarian/refugee crisis that will likely destroy him politically.

All the fascists had to do was cowardly destroy an impoverished black country, kill a few hundred thousand people, create a state of anarchy, and make several million homeless... No sweat....


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Old 01-30-2010, 12:17 PM
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I hear ya!

If true.

Similar to New Orlean's, but to a lesser degree of destruction and death.

People of color.

The improverished.

The less fortunate.

Easy prey for them.

Is it just me or did you find it strange?

Israel's assistance?

Thanks again... Sometimes you can even find agreement between adversaries....

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Old 01-30-2010, 12:29 PM
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But it appears that the most overriding reason for this attrocity in the short term was election manipulation. Scenes of lawlessness and anarchy in an impoverished black country. Projected in the media on a daily basis. Right before a crucial election determing the future of OBama's healthcare initiative. Do you not see how this plays out for the American people? In particular, for the white voters of Massachusetts? As everyone knows but will not openly admit, the quest for healthcare reform comes down to some rather ugly matters regarding race and class, and in that order. Do you not see how these daily scenes of lawlessness and anarchy in an impoverished black country could sway a potential white voter away from a liberal candidate and towards a more conservative candidate in the short term? Even in the bluest of blue states - Massachusetts??? And away from a Senate seat once held by Ted Kennedy, a long time proponent of healthcare reform?
Almost a classic.

Lead attention away by a disaster, so people dont mind the changes taking place around them.

same with 9/11 Even in the Netherlands everyone has to wear a identification on them at all times, to keep us 'safe' from terrrorists
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Old 01-31-2010, 12:52 PM
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Thanks again... Sometimes you can even find agreement between adversaries....

Hey BA, right now this thread's being featured on virtually all the search engines on the web... Google, Yahoo, you name 'em. I know that to a certain extent, these listings are word sensitive, but Google up Haitian earthquake scalar weaponry and you'll notice we're listed right up at the top of the page. Or go onto The Best Search Engine List On The Internet! where there's a more extensive listing of search engines and enter the same words. We may actually be getting word out to the masses...

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Old 01-31-2010, 01:14 PM
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then this might be a usefull link

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Old 01-31-2010, 08:13 PM
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Very good, indeed, 912.

P.S. I do not consider us to be adversaries.

We are two people who have from time to time disagreed.

Yours truly,
BA

You know, I really have doubts about the military having control over these weapons. Much like nuclear weapons, which the civilian government never trusted with the military, I doubt that the government ever trusted these scalar weapons with any branch of the Armed Forces. Much, much too powerful and destructive.

Nuclear weapons always required a sophisticated launch code entry by a higher civilian authority - the president, in order to prevent their use by any overzealous military commander. This was also the case in the Soviet Union and now Russia. But now it appears that these scalar weapons, which must have been equally safeguarded, are now controlled by some element outside the elected Washington Government.

The Gakona (HAARP) facility in Alaska, which is supposed to be the heart and sole source of US scalar weaponry, is doubtfully that. The totality of these weapons must be on an enormous scale involving both satellite and ground stations. There must also be some sort of centralized command authority, possibly linked to the US Space Program. We can only speculate.

The state of Texas, ideological and terrestrial homeland to GW Bush, seems to be moving futher and further away from the Washington Government. There have been serious talks of seccesion from the US by the governor and other high officials of that state. Texas is also where much of the US space program is located.... In Houston.... Again, we can only speculate.

Russia has also been rumored to have advanced scalar weaponry. It is conceivable that the Russians may have been approached by elements of the Far Right in this country and graciously provided them with their services - likely for a very high price.

Again, we can only speculate...

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Old 02-01-2010, 07:23 PM
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Scientists warned Haiti officials of quake in '08

Scientists warned Haiti officials of quake in '08 - Yahoo! News

By RICK CALLAHAN, Associated Press Writer Rick Callahan, Associated Press Writer – Fri Jan 15, 6:18 am ET

INDIANAPOLIS – Scientists who detected worrisome signs of growing stresses in the fault that unleashed this week's devastating earthquake in Haiti said they warned officials there two years ago that their country was ripe for a major earthquake.

Their sobering findings, presented during a geological conference in March 2008 and at meetings two months later, showed that the fault was capable of causing a 7.2-magnitude earthquake — slightly stronger than Tuesday's 7.0 quake that rocked the impoverished country.

Though Haitian officials listened intently to the research, the nearly two years between the presentation and the devastating quake was not enough time for Haiti to have done much to have prevented the massive destruction.

"It's too short of a timeframe to really do something, particularly for a country like Haiti, but even in a developed country it's very difficult to start very big operations in two years," Eric Calais, a professor of geophysics at Purdue University, said Thursday.

Their conclusions also lacked a specific timeframe that could have prodded quick action to shore up the hospitals, schools and other buildings that collapsed and crumbled, said Paul Mann, a senior research scientist at the University of Texas' Institute for Geophysics.

At the time of earthquake, which the international Red Cross estimated killed 45,000 to 50,000 people, Haiti was still trying to recover from a string catastrophes. In 2008 alone, it was hit four times by tropical storms and hurricanes. The country also suffers from a string of social ills including poverty, unstable governments and poor building standards that make buildings vulnerable in earthquakes.

"Haiti's government has so many other problems that when you give sort of an unspecific prediction about an earthquake threat they just don't have the resources to deal with that sort of thing," Mann said.

In March 2008, Calais and Mann were among a group of scientists who presented findings on the major quake risk along the Enriquillo fault during the conference in the Dominican Republic, which shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti. Their conclusions were based both on geologic work Mann conducted along the same fault and recent findings by Calais.

Calais had detected rising stresses along the fault using global positioning system measurements that showed that the Earth's crust in the area where the fault traverses southern Haiti was slowly deforming as pressure grew within the fault.

That pressure, paired with Mann's work and the fact that the last major quake in the area was in 1770, led to the prediction that the fault could produce a 7.2-magnitude temblor.

Calais said he also presented the findings to officials in Haiti during a series of meetings in May 2008 that included the country's prime minister and other high-ranking officials. He said he stressed to the officials that if they did nothing else they should at least begin reinforcing hospitals, schools and key government buildings to weather a strong quake.

"We were taken very seriously but unfortunately it didn't translate into action," he said. "The reality is that it was too short of a timeframe to really do something, particularly for a country like Haiti struggling with so many problems."

Calais said Haiti has no seismic stations for monitoring quake activity, while adjoining Dominican Republic has a small seismic network.

Although the specific risks of the fault zone near Haiti's capital, Port-au-Prince, may not have been known until recent years, the region has a long history of major earthquakes, said Carol Prentice, a U.S. Geological Survey research geologist based in Menlo Park, Calif.

Those include earthquakes that destroyed Jamaica's capital, Kingston, in 1692 and 1907, that also occurred along the Enriquillo fault, which extends hundreds of miles through the Dominican Republic, Haiti and Jamaica.
She said Calais' GPS studies were the first along the fault to quantify the potential quake risk in the heavily populated Port-au-Prince area.

Prentice said she, Calais and Mann had sought U.S. government funding over the years for detailed excavations in southern Haiti to document evidence of past quakes in soil layers along the fault but that work has not yet been funded.

"It's entirely possible that we'll see additional quakes along this fault in the years to come. But we really don't know the risk if those studies aren't done," she said.

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Old 02-01-2010, 07:35 PM
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Published on Thursday, January 14, 2010 by CommonDreams.org
Haitian Earthquake: Made in the USA
Why the Blood Is on Our Hands
by Ted Rall

Haitian Earthquake: Made in the USA - Current News & Events | Forums at Chris Martenson

As grim accounts of the earthquake in Haiti came in, the accounts in U.S.-controlled state media all carried the same descriptive sentence: "Haiti is the poorest country in the Western hemisphere..."

Gee, I wonder how that happened?

You'd think Haiti would be loaded. After all, it made a lot of people rich.

How did Haiti get so poor? Despite a century of American colonialism, occupation, and propping up corrupt dictators? Even though the CIA staged coups d'état against every democratically elected president they ever had?

It's an important question. An earthquake isn't just an earthquake. The same 7.0 tremor hitting San Francisco wouldn't kill nearly as many people as in Port-au-Prince. "Looking at the pictures, essentially it looks as if (the buildings are of) breezeblock or cinderblock construction, and what you need in an earthquake zone is metal bars that connect the blocks so that they stay together when they get shaken," notes Sandy Steacey, director of the Environmental Science Research Institute at the University of Ulster in Northern Ireland. "In a wealthy country with good seismic building codes that are enforced, you would have some damage, but not very much."

When a pile of cinderblocks falls on you, your odds of survival are long. Even if you miraculously survive, a poor country like Haiti doesn't have the equipment, communications infrastructure or emergency service personnel to pull you out of the rubble in time. And if your neighbors get you out, there's no ambulance to take you to the hospital--or doctor to treat you once you get there.

Earthquakes are random events. How many people they kill is predetermined. In Haiti this week, don't blame tectonic plates. Ninety-nine percent of the death toll is attributable to poverty.

So the question is relevant. How'd Haiti become so poor?

The story begins in 1910, when a U.S. State Department-National City Bank of New York (now called Citibank) consortium bought the Banque National d'Haïti--Haiti's only commercial bank and its national treasury--in effect transferring Haiti's debts to the Americans. Five years later, President Woodrow Wilson ordered troops to occupy the country in order to keep tabs on "our" investment.

From 1915 to 1934, the U.S. Marines imposed harsh military occupation, murdered Haitians patriots and diverted 40 percent of Haiti's gross domestic product to U.S. bankers. Haitians were banned from government jobs. Ambitious Haitians were hunted into the puppet military, setting the stage for a half-century of U.S.-backed military dictatorship.

The U.S. kept control of Haiti's finances until 1947.

Still--why should Haitians complain? Sure, we stole 40 percent of Haiti's national wealth for 32 years. But we let them keep 60 percent.

Whiners.

Despite having been bled dry by American bankers and generals, civil disorder prevailed until 1957, when the CIA installed President-for-Life François "Papa Doc" Duvalier. Duvalier's brutal Tonton Macoutes paramilitary goon squads murdered at least 30,000 Haitians and drove educated people to flee into exile. But think of the cup as half-full: fewer people in the population means fewer people competing for the same jobs!

Upon Papa Doc's death in 1971, the torch passed to his even more dissolute 19-year-old son, Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier. The U.S., cool to Papa Doc in his later years, quickly warmed back up to his kleptomaniacal playboy heir. As the U.S. poured in arms and trained his army as a supposed anti-communist bulwark against Castro's Cuba, Baby Doc stole an estimated $300 to $800 million from the national treasury, according to Transparency International. The money was placed in personal accounts in Switzerland and elsewhere.

Under U.S. influence, Baby Doc virtually eliminated import tariffs for U.S. goods. Soon Haiti was awash with predatory agricultural imports dumped by American firms. Domestic rice farmers went bankrupt. A nation that had been agriculturally self-sustaining collapsed. Farms were abandoned. Hundreds of thousands of farmers migrated to the teeming slums of Port-au-Prince.

The Duvalier era, 29 years in all, came to an end in 1986 when President Ronald Reagan ordered U.S. forces to whisk Baby Doc to exile in France, saving him from a popular uprising.

Once again, Haitians should thank Americans. Duvalierism was "tough love." Forcing Haitians to make do without their national treasury was our nice way or encouraging them to work harder, to lift themselves up by their bootstraps. Or, in this case, flipflops. Anyway.

The U.S. has been all about tough love ever since. We twice deposed the populist and popular democratically-elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The second time, in 2004, we even gave him a free flight to the Central African Republic! (He says the CIA kidnapped him, but whatever.) Hey, he needed a rest. And it was kind of us to support a new government formed by former Tonton Macoutes.

Yet, despite everything we've done for Haiti, they're still a fourth-world failed state on a fault line.

And still, we haven't given up. American companies like Disney generously pay wages to their sweatshop workers of 28 cents an hour.

What more do these ingrates want?

Ted Rall is the author of the new book "Silk Road to Ruin: Is Central Asia the New Middle East?," an in-depth prose and graphic novel analysis of America's next big foreign policy challenge.

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Haiti itself has been relatively calm, seismically speaking, but the region does have a long recorded history of events. Most of them are small, like most places on the planet, but it is hardly the calmest place either.
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What else, 912?

Anything?

Hello again. Sorry for the time away from this thread. I think I've said all I'd dare say for right now.

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