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Old 11-12-2005, 10:54 AM
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As all historians know, their science is being written by the winners. It is an ever evolving science and the further away from the event, the more one can detached from emotions, observe the overall structure of events. Details disappear and the bigger schemes stand out. WWII is still a recent event in our history.
Exactly, Overlord.
So let's look at who's written Tsarist Russian history lately: that's right, the Freemasons and the Bolsheviks - the very same destructive, materialist forces of Darkness that conspired to and succeeded in destroying the holy Tsarist Russian Tradition. (Along with the rest of the Traditional European sovereign monarchies.) They are the winners in the battle against the Russian Orthodox Tradition.

The myth of Tsarist Russia being little better than Joseph Stalin and his Bolshevik butchers is another big deception honest historians have to shed light on before we can defend the "popular uprising" against the "evil tsar" that the Bolshevik Satanists are painted out as by those very historians you so accurately point out to be on the winning side, leaving us on the losing side.

There are people with a different view of history, as this book suggests:

<a href="http://www.barnesreview.org/Third_rome/third_rome.html">The Third Rome: Holy Russia, Tsarism and Orthodoxy</a> [img align=right]http://www.barnesreview.org/Third_rome/Thrid_rome_large.gif[/img]



BY M. RAPHAEL JOHNSON, PH.D.
EDITOR, THE BARNES REVIEW

• Was Ivan the Terrible Really a “Mad Butcher?”
• Wasn’t Emperor Paul a “monster?”
• Was Tsarist rule completely “unlimited?”
• Was the peasantry under serfdom oppressed?
• Who financed the Bolsheviks?
• Did the Tsars really represent the Russian people?
• Where did Russian Liberalism actually come from?
• How should patriotic Americans view
Christian Orthodoxy and Tsarism?

Just in time for the 300th anniversary of Petrograd, a new book on pre-Bolshevik Russian history has been published in English. It is a defense of royalism from Kievan Rus’ until the abdication of Tsar Martyr Nicholas II at the end of World War I. For English speaking readers, it is the only published account of Tsarist Russia that succeeds in demolishing the arguments of the kept Anglo-American historians on the “evils” and “tyranny” of the Tsarist government. on all the major work on Russian history in English over the last 50 years, this work is a concise defense of Tsarism and the notion of Orthodox Russia. Just after the “History Channel’s” hatchet job on the Romanovs recently ran on American television, referring to the Tsars as “butchers” and “tyrants,” this new book could not be more useful.

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Old 11-19-2005, 07:36 PM
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Sounds like a lot of revisionist fantasies to me, sir Draken.

You might not be so familiar with Russian history (I suggest reading several very prominent historians of Muscovite thought - Nina Borisovna Golikova, Aleksandr Panchenko, A. P. Bogdanov, or perhaps Sergei Vladimirovich Bakhrushin, for instance, but there are others..) or perhaps you consider the concept of "punishable slander" to be acceptable in a benign state. This was well recorded in still existing documents all over Russia and over the ages, well before the 17th century. Where a citizen was accused of slandering the Tsar, he was forced to, in court, repeat the slander, then promptly have his tongoue cut off and exiled to Siberia. In some rare cases execution was meted out. Perhaps this is considered benign, but I would argue differently. At the same time denizens of Tsarist Russia hallowed not the individual but the position of Tsar, just like in Japanese civilization.


Civilizations contain upheaval you see, also the christian religion is responsible for the "evil overturn" of Rome, as some would have it, the destruction of that beautiful creation of cultural macdonaldification, terror and war. In my opinion christianity is no better than any other revolutionary force, whatever we call them.

If one loves and adores the pomp and circumstance that is fascistic rule (which in essence is what Monarky is) then one will surely find literature supporting that view. It is incorrect but nevertheless, it is there.

But does it really make sense to any sane person that someone is BORN to rule? The mere thought is absurd. And we can see it happen everywhere today. Surely that is the reasoning behind the empowerement of G.W.Bush and similar incompetent gunworshipping loonies, hellbent on saving the sacred capital punishment and handing over the destruction of our environment to raving oilcompanies.
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Old 11-19-2005, 08:25 PM
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The divine right of kings is the same as the divine right of corporations. People do not want to take sole responsibility for themselves. They want a ruling family no matter how absurd. This is part of the human makeup and the thing that frightens people the most is when they get what they have asked for. The dreams built upon this desire are seen for what they really are. The future is not to the human, but to the post human and the embryo of this is here now. Capitalism, socialism, communism, all the same inability to face the fact that the human race for the most part is a failure. A better inhabitant for this creation is needed and what better justice for it to spring from the loins of a pompous, greedy, arrogant failure.
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Old 11-19-2005, 09:00 PM
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Where a citizen was accused of slandering the Tsar, he was forced to, in court, repeat the slander, then promptly have his tongoue cut off and exiled to Siberia. In some rare cases execution was meted out. Perhaps this is considered benign, but I would argue differently. At the same time denizens of Tsarist Russia hallowed not the individual but the position of Tsar, just like in Japanese civilization.
Quite right OVERLORD.

Lets think together. To solve this problem why dont we finance a revoloution to free the oppressed masses...oh, i forgot. They already did it and it worked out real well.:-D

It reminds me of Socrates and his execution. Plato was distraught and blamed "Athenian Democracy" for the murder of his venerated Master.

From their Plato decided that the stupid peasants could not be trusted and only an Elite Class...Plato's "Philosopher Kings" could possibly have the right qualities to rule. Plato forgot however that Athens was not perfect but Socrates did manage to annoy people for MANY years before people got sick of him. In Sparta down the road, he would have been killed immediately.

So yes, the Tsarists wer'nt perfect but you still had some leeway. Even today in Russia...speak your mind and some ex-Spetnaz Special Forces will gun you down on the street. Such is the economic freedom the Russian people enjoy yet again. Who would EVER want to go back to the stability of the Tsar?

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In my opinion christianity is no better than any other revolutionary force, whatever we call them.
Please, point out the evil that is Christs word? It's a rhetorical question actually. Their is none. The Churches are a seperate matter. Make the distinction.

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If one loves and adores the pomp and circumstance that is fascistic rule (which in essence is what Monarky is) then one will surely find literature supporting that view. It is incorrect but nevertheless, it is there.
That is an absurdly ridiculous statement that can be turned instantly on you and makes debate and the finding of truth impossible. I thought you a reasonably clear thinker. For Gods sake. Get a freakin grip.

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But does it really make sense to any sane person that someone is BORN to rule?
They say some are "born to sing". "Born to dance". "Born to surf". "Born to make money". "Born to stupidity". I am not so sure that there are not people "born to rule". I have not yet made up my mind on the matter.

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Surely that is the reasoning behind the empowerement of G.W.Bush and similar incompetent gunworshipping loonies...
No, there is a big difference between "monied power" and the "born to rule" based on tradition and community values espoused by DRAK.

You need to brush up on your definitions and be MORE specific. You prattle like old people fcuk. Very boring. I'm sorry but you are not worthy. This forum is not an Ickian Reptile hating site. There are intelligent people here. You are being energised by the Banker financed neo-con (read Bolshevick) pretend "right". The soloution is a one world government run by the U.N. It is ALL here on this site if you will take the time to read.

You are the boriongly predictable product of the Globalist agenda and are "reacting" in EXACTLY the way they want.

I am bored of debating with people like you. I'm sorry. You are in high school now and I do NOT want to go over grade 2 mathematics with you.

Get back to me when you've done some more broarder reading and thinking.

Best.


Also...we need to clean up the Neo Cons and their true nature...

What Is A Neo-conservative?

The exact opposite of a conservative. Neo-conservatives are the Bolsheviks of the Right. Like the Bolsheviks, they appear in restrained groups driven by a simple idology. They seek practical ways to acheive real power in order to make revoloutionary changes. These "practical ways" usually involve creating a misunderstanding over the "revoloutionary changes" to follow.

The first step in the advancement of a Bolshevik movement is the establishement of intellectual respectability. This was acheived by hiring bevies of academic consultants to lay out a marginal idea - that the West could revert to the rough capitalism of the 19th century - as if it were not only an historic nescessity but a natural inevitability. Their determinism literally mimmicked the Marxists. What a few years before had been marginal nonsense was now driven home as received wisdom by right wing newspaper columnists.

The second stage involved a series of coups d'etat within established conservative parties, beginning with those of Britian, the United States and Canada. The movement was then able to enter elections disguised as conservative renewal. They won power with the support of an electorate which would be among the first to suffer from their policies - the middle and lower middle classes.

The third step again mimmicked the Bolsheviks. This was the key to destabilising the opposition - including the now confused and captive conservatives - in order to win re-election. They redefined the political spectrum so that their marginal ideas occupied all of the territory from the extreme right to the center. This left many conservatives redefined as dangerous Liberals (the Wets, moderate Republicans and radical Tories). The Liberals suddenly resembled socialists and the socialists, communists. In other words, the great mainstream which had presided over the remarkable rise of the West was squeezed over to the marginal edge of public debate.

Since the essential characteristics of Neo-Conservatism are revoloutionary, it was perfectly natural for them to begin by disguising their actions behind reassuring phrases. What they believe is that wholesale change in structures is the only way to change society. Continuity, careful progress and memory are their enemy. However, to admit this in the early stages of holding power is to risk losing it. Eventually they felt free to turn on those who rejected their ideas of change and tar them as cowards.

With hindsite it can be seen that the movement was and remains a paradoxiacal mixture of silly abstract ideology andcrude self interest. The Neo-conservative recipe for public action seemed to have been drawn directly from that of Mussolini, which turned on praise of free enterprise, insistence on the need to reduce beauracracy, suggestions that unemployment relief was part of the economic problem, sotto voce hints that social inequalities should be increased not removed, and an aggressive foreign policy.

By the early 1990's they had so successfully redrawn the intellectual map that whenever Liberals returned to power they spent their time mouthing Neo-conservative formulae. At the same time, a growing number of political parties appeared who were openly corporatist or Mussolinian. Thanks to the respectability given their ideology by the Neo-conservatives they could present themselves as moderate conservative reformers. They began to make serious political inroads in Canada, the United States, Germany and, of course, Italy. There, three parties drawn from the Mussolini mould triumphed in the 1994 general elction. No Neo-conservative movements elswhere in the West expressed dispair or concern.

All of this explained why the Neo-conservatives treat cynicism as a sign of wisdom. It is not unreasonable to place them amongst the last true MArxists, since they believe in the inevitability of class warfare, which they are certain they can win by provoking it while they are in power.

John Raulston Saul. The Doubters Companion: A Dictionary Of Aggressive Common Sense. p.220


Though a rabid Secular Humanist (who sometimes mentions God:-?), I cannot recommend Sauls books enough.

Includes-

"The Unconscious Civilization".

"Voltairs Bastards".
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Old 11-19-2005, 09:36 PM
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Where a citizen was accused of slandering the Tsar, he was forced to, in court, repeat the slander, then promptly have his tongoue cut off and exiled to Siberia. In some rare cases execution was meted out. Perhaps this is considered benign, but I would argue differently. At the same time denizens of Tsarist Russia hallowed not the individual but the position of Tsar, just like in Japanese civilization.
Quite right OVERLORD.

Lets think together. To solve this problem why dont we finance a revoloution to free the oppressed masses...oh, i forgot. They already did it and it worked out real well.:-D

It reminds me of Socrates and his execution. Plato was distraught and blamed "Athenian Democracy" for the murder of his venerated Master.

From their Plato decided that the stupid peasants could not be trusted and only an Elite Class...Plato's "Philosopher Kings" could possibly have the right qualities to rule. Plato forgot however that Athens was not perfect but Socrates did manage to annoy people for MANY years before people got sick of him. In Sparta down the road, he would have been killed immediately.

So yes, the Tsarists wer'nt perfect but you still had some leeway. Even today in Russia...speak your mind and some ex-Spetnaz Special Forces will gun you down on the street. Such is the economic freedom the Russian people enjoy yet again. Who would EVER want to go back to the stability of the Tsar?

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In my opinion christianity is no better than any other revolutionary force, whatever we call them.
Please, point out the evil that is Christs word? It's a rhetorical question actually. Their is none. The Churches are a seperate matter. Make the distinction.

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If one loves and adores the pomp and circumstance that is fascistic rule (which in essence is what Monarky is) then one will surely find literature supporting that view. It is incorrect but nevertheless, it is there.
That is an absurdly ridiculous statement that can be turned instantly on you and makes debate and the finding of truth impossible. I thought you a reasonably clear thinker. For Gods sake. Get a freakin grip.

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But does it really make sense to any sane person that someone is BORN to rule?
They say some are "born to sing". "Born to dance". "Born to surf". "Born to make money". "Born to stupidity". I am not so sure that there are not people "born to rule". I have not yet made up my mind on the matter.

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Surely that is the reasoning behind the empowerement of G.W.Bush and similar incompetent gunworshipping loonies...
No, there is a big difference between "monied power" and the "born to rule" based on tradition and community values espoused by DRAK.

You need to brush up on your definitions and be MORE specific. You prattle like old people fcuk. Very boring. I'm sorry but you are not worthy. This forum is not an Ickian Reptile hating site. There are intelligent people here. You are being energised by the Banker financed neo-con (read Bolshevick) pretend "right". The soloution is a one world government run by the U.N. It is ALL here on this site if you will take the time to read.

You are the boriongly predictable product of the Globalist agenda and are "reacting" in EXACTLY the way they want.

I am bored of debating with people like you. I'm sorry. You are in high school now and I do NOT want to go over grade 2 mathematics with you.

Get back to me when you've done some more broarder reading and thinking.

Best.
HOW SHOULD A BORING PRODUCT OF THE GLOBALIST AGENDA REACT IN YOUR OPINION.
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Old 11-19-2005, 09:40 PM
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Just out of courtesy to you i thought you might want to know...

I consider you a pure, boring, contrite cockhead and will not converse with you.

Do not insult someone (medical ghost writer thread) and think that they will direct their valuable intellectual and two digit typing energies your way.

If i desire i will clean the floor with you on wit alone. If able, i would bitch slap you physically till you could'nt remember your name.

Now piss off.

There will be no more conversing with you nutter.
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NO COURTESY FROM AN INSIPID LONG WINDED RN IS REQUIRED BY US. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO IGNORE US. SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND DO AS YOU WERE ORDERED. YOU PLAY WITH THE WRONG ONES. NOW GET BACK TO YOU OVER KNOWLEDGES ANSWERS TO THE WORLDS PROBLEMS.
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NO COURTESY FROM AN INSIPID LONG WINDED RN IS REQUIRED BY US. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO IGNORE US. SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND DO AS YOU WERE ORDERED. YOU PLAY WITH THE WRONG ONES. NOW GET BACK TO YOU OVER KNOWLEDGES ANSWERS TO THE WORLDS PROBLEMS.
Correct spelling is "you're" and "knowledged".

I may well play with you. There is a terrible streak to the Scorpio nature. When faced with wounded prey in need of sympathy, the Scorpio dark side comes out and only complete destruction of you're enemy seems right.

I will ask God to correct this debased animal side in me and see if I can raise myself above the level of beast.

P.S You have the "caps lock" on.

P.P.S Out of sympahy i will include a post entitled "TB's Special Thread For Dummies".
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NO COURTESY FROM AN INSIPID LONG WINDED RN IS REQUIRED BY US. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO IGNORE US. SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND DO AS YOU WERE ORDERED. YOU PLAY WITH THE WRONG ONES. NOW GET BACK TO YOU OVER KNOWLEDGES ANSWERS TO THE WORLDS PROBLEMS.
Correct spelling is "you're" and "knowledged".

I may well play with you. There is a terrible streak to the Scorpio nature. When faced with wounded prey in need of sympathy, the Scorpio dark side comes out and only complete destruction of you're enemy seems right.

I will ask God to correct this debased animal side in me and see if I can raise myself above the level of beast.

P.S You have the "caps lock" on.

P.P.S Out of sympahy i will include a post entitled "TB's Special Thread For Dummies".
JUST IGNORE US AS YOU WERE TOLD TO DO.
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DRAK: Did'nt alot of Germans immigrate to Russia under a female ruler?
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