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Old 03-18-2010, 03:00 PM
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Default The End of The Innocence


In your opinion, has society became more cynical or just simply more aware?

Have you ever learned something about a person or society that you wish to God you never knew? Had an experience you wish you never had?

I think this song beautifully represents that. I just wish one generation could go through life without having to loose it to war or just the various pychopaths on the streets or the world.




Here's the lyrics:

The End of the Innocence - Don Henley
Remember when the days were long
And rolled beneath a deep blue sky
Didn't have a care in the world
With mommy and daddy standin' by
(Yup, I remember that..too bad things change)
But "happily ever after" fails
And we've been poisoned by these fairy tales
The lawyers dwell on small details
Since daddy had to fly
But I know a place where we can go
That's still untouched by men
We'll sit and watch the clouds roll by
And the tall grass wave in the wind
You can lay your head back on the ground
And let your hair fall all around me
Offer up your best defense
But this is the end
This is the end of the innocence
O beautiful, for spacious skies
But now those skies are threatening
They're beating plowshares into swords
(Why is it that every war is the last war, but they always find an excuse to murder more people..wierd)
For this tired old man that we elected king
Armchair warriors often fail
And we've been poisoned by these fairy tales
The lawyers clean up all details
Since daddy had to lie
But I know a place where we can go
And wash away this sin
We'll sit and watch the clouds roll by
And the tall grass wave in the wind
Just lay your head back on the ground
And let your hair spill all around me
Offer up your best defense
But this is the end
This is the end of the innocence
Who knows how long this will last
Now we've come so far, so fast
But, somewhere back there in the dust
That same small town in each of us
I need to remember this
So baby give me just one kiss
And let me take a long last look
Before we say goodbye (
Sigh, nothing lasts forever)

Just lay your head back on the ground
And let your hair fall all around me
Offer up your best defense
But this is the end
This is the end of the innocence

Another good song:



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Old 03-18-2010, 05:03 PM
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Default Re: The End of The Innocence

You appear to be "remorsefull", for some reason.

Wishing somehow better for......
but where is the reality of it?

Where is, burying oneself, in some kind of dreamworld?

One can do, what one itself, can do.
There is no other guy, to wait on.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:20 PM
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One can do, what one itself, can do.
There is no other guy, to wait on.
All of reality is potentially the subject of one's dream. Your post reminds me of the masses of Christians who wait for the return of Jesus Christ. Some have become so attached, I believe their prayerfulness will create the human part brought to the brink, which is more sad than to ponder the power to change for the better.

Poet, parts of society have developed cooperation, change and forgiveness. Forgiveness helps one let go of the knowledge learned thru suffering.

Today the posts of many people feel sad. I hope happiness finds the morrow and surrounds you.
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Old 03-19-2010, 07:51 AM
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All of reality is potentially the subject of one's dream. Your post reminds me of the masses of Christians who wait for the return of Jesus Christ. Some have become so attached, I believe their prayerfulness will create the human part brought to the brink, which is more sad than to ponder the power to change for the better.

Poet, parts of society have developed cooperation, change and forgiveness. Forgiveness helps one let go of the knowledge learned thru suffering.

Today the posts of many people feel sad. I hope happiness finds the morrow and surrounds you.
Am along the lines of a "realist".
Not waiting for the return of JC or any other being. Am expecting events in
particular to unfold.
Am attached to my outlook and detached from the world around.
No dream world or any kind of fantasy.
Don't aimlessly speculate.
Mind over matter plays a big part in my outlook.
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Old 03-19-2010, 08:45 AM
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But isn't the place within the mind, which has control over matter, the same place where dreams are formed? What would differentiate the form of a "mind's dream" over the "mind's control [over matter]"? Don't they both involve the mind, focusing desires into tangibility, dedication and repetition?
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Old 03-19-2010, 11:18 AM
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But isn't the place within the mind, which has control over matter, the same place where dreams are formed? What would differentiate the form of a "mind's dream" over the "mind's control [over matter]"? Don't they both involve the mind, focusing desires into tangibility, dedication and repetition?
The difference seems to be, the state in which you would be.
Dream-like, fantasy, compared to more reality-like.
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Old 03-19-2010, 11:44 AM
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Am along the lines of a "realist".
Not waiting for the return of JC or any other being. Am expecting events in
particular to unfold.
Am attached to my outlook and detached from the world around.
No dream world or any kind of fantasy.
Don't aimlessly speculate.
Mind over matter plays a big part in my outlook.
In reference to "mind over matter" - not in a literal way of speaking.
Along the lines of - prevailing sway.
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Old 03-19-2010, 01:51 PM
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So is a fixed outlook innocent, in your opinion?



The mind is a sail
which cannot fail
nor faulter in stillness and gale.

The forces of hell
which ring like a bell
are fixed without a yoke
while the mouth is repelled.


(bad poetry day)
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Old 03-19-2010, 02:09 PM
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So is a fixed outlook innocent, in your opinion?...
Don't understand the question.
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Old 03-20-2010, 07:30 AM
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Am attached to my outlook and detached from the world around.
No dream world or any kind of fantasy.
Don't aimlessly speculate.
Mind over matter plays a big part in my outlook.
I placed the first two sentences as a foundation/defining characteristics for the individual writing the poem. Then I focused on the next phrase and presumed the writer continued a discussion of his traits. Placing the understood subject as, "I" don't aimlessly speculate. "My" mind over matter plays a big part in my outlook.

My interpretation was 'speculate with intent/an aim. That which mind creates is that which I seek outward.

So, I wondered if the goals are independant of god source to the writer, thus innocent from man's hand ruling over god's. In my opinion an individual who seeks to estabilish a goal has methods for doing thus, eliminating the god factor completely. So, with the objectives of the poets mind, are fixed outlooks innocent...without burden?
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