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Old 09-06-2005, 08:14 AM
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I understand most of what you're saying, TB, but I try not to get bogged down in semantics.

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I personally think there is little ideological definition in U.S politics other than organised crime principals based around personal greed and narcisistic loyalties...sometimes to foreign interests under duress. Simple power. Nothing more.
That pretty much sums it up. Yet there are significant idelogues within both parties who espouse entirely different ideals than the party leadership. Bush and the neocons have effectively destroyed the ideological base of the Republican Party (which was in a catch phrase, small government). Hilary could only do the same to her own party if she ascends to the presidency and caters to the Illuminati. I believe that somewhere down the line this third Hegelian alternative has to manifest itself. If the NWO keeps trying to gnaw away parasitically at both parties from within, it risks exposure by reformist elements in each party. It (the NWO) must utilize the dissatisfaction it is generating throughout all strata of American society and create a statist political phenomeonon like Communist Russia or Hilter's Nazism.
Three fourths of the populace of this nation already hate Hilary, all of the Republicans and half of her own party. Even if she works the economic voodoo you suggest, there is no way she can deal with the funny-money debt that the central banksters have buried us with. At some point that debt has to be exchanged for the feudal control you suggest, and the people will be given the sales pitch straight from John Lennon's Imagine lyrics, i. e., that they will be better off with "no posessions, nothing to kill and die for".

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Old 09-06-2005, 08:29 AM
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Yes...i wont be bothering again.

Whatever...good luck over there.

I have lost alot of the surety I felt on the subject in the last few days.

I cant predict things with any acuracy without smelling the atmosphere for myself in person.

My own country has it's own problems. But I can still not understand how ANY political party could allow a man like Bush to run for Prezzie. All jokes aside...what is it about America that a man like this can get elected in the first place?

I think i'll retire from predictions.

Aching for some land well away from the rest of the world.
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Old 09-06-2005, 09:30 AM
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what is it about America that a man like this can get elected in the first place?
Total Masonic control of our system from top to bottom. Believe me, I know as a former non-Masonic business person who endured twenty years of slow starvation and finally treachery at the hands of the local fraternal warlords.
We can't even get a law passed through our congress like the UK requesting that Masonic membership of police and judges be made public (though a useless law it is). We can't even discuss Freemasonry openly in any public forum.
You cannot hold a part-time job at the local post office without being in the Craft. Our entire middle class is now composed of government employees (Limbaugh even admitted it), and I will wager you that at least 98% of those individuals are Freemasonic.
There is already a complete secret conspiracy intact that controls money and power -- and the political process.
It is that simple.
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Old 09-06-2005, 10:56 AM
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freeman, a question:
I know that Masonry is widespread in the south of the US, even among churches, but what about other regions, like the Southwest and Northeast ?
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Old 09-06-2005, 12:10 PM
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freeman, a question:
I know that Masonry is widespread in the south of the US, even among churches, but what about other regions, like the Southwest and Northeast ?
Everywhere.
I believe it is most powerful in the Northeast, since that is where the "old money", or the original American aristocracy settled.
Maybe a small pocket of resistance in the Pacific Northwest, especially the Idaho crowd; however, the Southwest and Midwest are laden with Masonic lodges; the South is just more noticeable because of the Klan, which was actually an offshoot of Freemasonry devised by the great fat pervert Albert Pike.
In most areas of the country, Freemasonry goes to great pains to disguise its membership and influence. For instance, I have friends and relatives who have lied to my face about their involvement.
But it is normally correct to assume that anyone in this country with any wealth or influence is a "made man". In fact, our Mafia functions in a subsidiary role to the Craft. The Mafia is merely the strongarm division of Masonry, while its capas report directly to Freemasonic/Illuminati superiors. That is why after decades of denying that there was any organized crime in America, former FBI director and 33rd Degree Mason J. Edgar Hoover was finally forced to acknowledge the Mafia after the Appalachin convention and Joe Valachi's congressional testimony, but he never connected the obvious dots to any other secret society.
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Old 09-06-2005, 06:57 PM
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You Americans are a strange lot. I mean that in the nicest possible way.

I cannot grasp the concept of such "secrecy" permiating all levels of society like that.

How did the U.S become SO materialist? Even your cities and town locations are laid out in PERFECT grids. You are in many ways...more German than the Germans!

I sense that this is a psychological state that has been thrust on you rather than a natural state.

Also, your army is simply TERRIBLE at quelling the natives unlike the British. Absoloutly terrible. I have heard horror stories from British and Australian servicemen of begging not to be attached to American units during WW2, Korea and Vietnam. It's not that Americans ar'nt brave or smart, it would seem at a base level, running off to fight wars is NOT in the average Americans nature. Unlike pathetically "colonial" Australians who LUUUUUUVE running off to war. I simply dont believe Americans are interested nor possess the psychological state for Empire building. They must be virtually "abused" into it.

At times, the decisions of American leaders seem more interested in creating simple chaos and abusing their own population than winning any battles.

Can we blame materialist/rationalist Jew influence for this entirely? It would seem that the Pilgrims exibited these traits long before the Jooooooze moved into New Yawrk...

I would love to spen 6 months smelling the air in the U.S. To get a feel for the place. Would you believe when i rang the airlines they wanted square bits of paper with numbers on it to get their! What sort of a system is this!
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Old 09-06-2005, 08:13 PM
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I cannot grasp the concept of such "secrecy" permiating all levels of society like that.
Neither could I until a few years ago. They do an exquisite job of concealment, unless you really challenge the limits. To do that you have to have an "abnormal" personality, nonconformist and intellectually inquisitive. That was always my downfall, and I have the old school report cards with unsatisfactory socialization marks to prove it.
I never accepted things at face value and always had a nagging suspicion that those in authority were not being straight with me. But I never imagined how pervasive this Masonic conspiracy really was until it bit me in the arse.
Most Americans never progress beyond that first level in the Idaho Observer article someone else posted. It is a conformist, materialistic society, and guilt and depression runs rampant when most people discover they cannot achieve the unrealistic goals and standards imposed upon them as measures of success. This represents the system's built-in control mechanism, i. e., everyone feels inferior for not being able to crack the ranks of the elite, because they have very little understanding of just how stacked against them the game really is. Ex-Nazi defector Howard Campbell wrote some incredibly lucid observations about the American cultural phenomenon. Kurt Vonnegut reprises a lot of them in his Slaughterhouse Five.
The Pilgrims, The Protestant Ethic and Masonic Illuminism were all contributing factors to this uniquely flawed socioeconomic model, but it is best summed up by the old adage that America is the worst country in the world to be poor in.
If you ever succeed in acquiring those little square bits of ariline paper, I would be happy to give you a guided tour, TB. I sense that we are very different from you Australians, especially when it comes to asserting ourselves and standing up to authority.
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Old 09-07-2005, 12:40 AM
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I sense that we are very different from you Australians, especially when it comes to asserting ourselves and standing up to authority.
Australians have a reputation as loud mouthed, anti-authoritrain convict types. This is valid at times, however...why is it, whenever the Elite call from accross the other side of the world, those same anti-authoritarin Australians come running like the colonial slaves they are?

Why do they love to hate the poms but get all excited when the Queen or one of her rat bag relatives come visiting?

Why is it English Officer's begged not to be attached to Australian divisions in WW1 because they were universally hated by the Aussie grunts and were often told to "fuck off" when giving orders...but this same rabble simply cant help itself and runs when Mother calls?

How anti-authoritarian can Australians be when the dorkiest Primeminister we've EVER had...feted as a liar and a cheat and lover of the Elite...gets re-elected in a landslide? And dont blame vote fraud as it's practically impossible here.

20 years ago you told the boss to fuck off coz the surf was up.

You will never come accross a more cowed and materialist society that still loves to believe in the myth that they are kick ass anti-authority crocodile wrestlers...when in fact they are fat lazy slobs.

Whats worse? To know you have a lying son of a bitch for a leader and still vote him in...or simply be blind and brainwashed to it as Yanks on the whole appear to be.

Our greatest oppurtunity came in a right wing socialist called Mark Latham or "Bruiser" to those who loved him. A large man physically and prone to breaking taxi drivers arms (i kid you not:-D). VERY smart and VERY much a nationalist who encouraged pride in ones community and country. He called "W", in the Oz parliament..."the most dangerous U.S President in living memory". He also called Howard and the Liberal Party (Republican in nature) a..."conga line of arse lickers" when it came to following "W" to war. He challenged John Howard for the Priministership and was soundly thrashed by the Oz electorate who found him too "volatile" to be "leader"...instead we get a whining sycophant in John Howard who is a complete embarressment. Thats you're anti-authoritarian convict blood...my arse.
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The secret societies are still largely the domain of the Elite here in Oz. It is VERY conservative but still as evil as the next.

As the economic monster tightens it's grip on the peasants, we will see how long Australians remain "rugged individualists", in no need of the protection of group think and membership for better economic prospects.

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If you ever succeed in acquiring those little square bits of ariline paper, I would be happy to give you a guided tour, TB.
Be careful, I may take you up on it. I may wrestle a few Gators for you...as you do down here...according to the telly.

P.S I may also teach you the ancient art of "Phone Throwing - Street Fighting". As extolled by Russel Crowe.
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Old 09-07-2005, 04:59 AM
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P.S I may also teach you the ancient art of "Phone Throwing - Street Fighting". As extolled by Russel Crowe.
Mel Gibson, Paul Hogan and even ol' hot-tempered Russel are still considered lightweights by Hollywood standards, at least compared to guys like Chris Farley who was in and out of rehab over 100 times before he choked to death on his own vomit ODing on coke at 3 AM, while the prostitute he hired stood by and took pictures to sell to the tabloids instead of calling for help. I would say that we Americans wrote the book on debauchery, except that the vast majority of us aren't even literate.
As far as the love of the Australian people for the pageantry of royalty, I wouldn't be too concerned, TB. Just review chapter 15 of Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities, and you'll understand what I mean. Even the Jews only scheduled Palm Sunday a week in advance of the crucifixion.
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Old 09-07-2005, 05:56 AM
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:-D

I once worked at a pub with an ex LAPD copper. He shook my hand one night and said that Australians were definately more terrifying in full swing than L.A gang bangers...just without the guns! Although...thats changing now.
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