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Old 02-07-2005, 08:33 AM
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Peace Shatrani,

I don't know of any other way to say that, but it's not intended to belittle anyone, not the Jews nor the Christians or Muslims.

But the truth of the matter is, there was always one religion from the dawn of history. Abraham was the first to call it "Submission". This religion came from God on stages, Abraham delivered the religious duties, Moses delivered the old testament, Jesus in turn delivered the new testament and finally Muhammad delivered the final testament.

Thus we end up now with one proven book, Quran, and one religion, Submission and one god, God.

All the stages of Submission (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) have been sidetracked into a stage of arrested development. The Jews were required to believe Jesus and accept the updated scripture that confirms and supersedes their book. The Christians also were required to accept Muhammad and the updated version of Submission. The Muslims as well were required to accept Rashad Khalifa who delievered us the miracle of 19 and purified the religion and restored it using this tool to its original pristine Abrahamic form.

So the conclusion is, Not all the ways lead to Rome. Wake up people and accept the one true religion of God alone. For God+Jesus won't be accepted, God+Muhammad won't either. God alone is the only acceptable faith on the day of judgment.

[3:18] GOD bears witness that there is no god except He, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.

[3:19] The only religion approved by GOD is "Submission." Ironically, those who have received the scripture are the ones who dispute this fact, despite the knowledge they have received, due to jealousy. For such rejectors of GOD's revelations, GOD is most strict in reckoning.

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Old 02-07-2005, 01:43 PM
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According to a source of first-hand information that I consider to be reliable, ETs and other civilizations do exist. After all, the universe is so vast and limitless, that assuming the earth to be the only place capable of sustaining human life sounds not only stupid but also arrogant. We've now entered a higher age in the cosmic time cycles, and one of the characteristics of this age is advancement in technology. Hence we'll see more and more discoveries of extrasolar planets supporting human life.

As far as "alien spaceships" are concerned, we have enough evidence of it from the ancient texts and scriptures. Here's some food for thought...

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The Chinese Annals relate that Emperor Shun (2258-2208 B.C.) constructed not only a flying apparatus but even made a parachute about the same time Daedalus built his gliders.

Emperor Cheng Tang (1766 B.C.) ordered Ki-Kung-Shi to design a flying chariot. The latter completed the assignment and tested the aircraft in flight, reaching the province of Honan. Subsequently the vessel was destroyed by imperial edict as Cheng Tang was afraid the secret of its mechanism might fall into enemy hands. This implies that the Emperor and his sages must have had blueprints of this skyship.

The Chinese poet Chu Yuan (3rd Century B.C.) wrote of his flight in a jade chariot at a high altitude over the Gobi Desert towards the Kun Lun Mountains. He accurately described how the aircraft was unaffected by the winds and dust of the Gobi, and how he conducted an aerial survey.

In the early part of the fourth century Ko-Hung wrote about a helicopter in China: "Some have made flying cars with wood from the inner part of the jujube tree, using ox leather straps fastened to rotating blades to set the machine in motion."

The Sanskrit term 'vimana vidya' means 'the science of building and piloting airships'. Why would they use or need such a term?

The Indian classic 'Mahabharata', one of the oldest books in the world, speak of 'an aerial chariot with the sides of iron and clad with wings'. An aeroplane?

The Ramayana describes the 'vimana' as a double deck circular aircraft with portholes and a dome. It flew with the 'speed of the wind' and gave forth a 'melodious sound'. Now that sounds more advanced than the jets we see now - what were they? A pilot had to be well trained otherwise no vimana was placed in his hands. The vimana could stop and remain motionless in the sky. The ancient classic gives an account of how the vimana soared above the clouds - from that altitude 'the ocean looked like a small pool of water'. The aviator was able to see the ocean coast and deltas of rivers. The vimanas were kept in 'vimana griha' or hangars. They were propelled by a yellowish-white liquid and employed for warfare, travel or sport. One is amazed at the wealth of detail in this ancient tale and wonders what stimulated it - fantasy of the authors or actual memories and/or happenings?

In ancient India six young men constructed a dirigible airship - the Pantachantra contains the full story of the experiment. The machine was operated by a complex control system, providing a safe, fast flight and perfect manoeuvrability.

There are two categories of ancient Sanscrit texts - the factual records known as the Manusa and the mythical and religious literature known as the Daiva. The Samara Sutradhara, which belongs to the factual type of records, treats air travel from every angle. The book contains 230 stanzas about the construction of flying machines. It deals not only with take-off, cruising for thousands of kilometers, normal and forced landings, but even with possible collisions of aircraft with birds! The same source mentions the 'Samhara', a missile that crippled and the 'Moha', a weapon that produced a state of complete paralysis.

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As discussed earlier, man's mind power is the blueprint for technology. The ancients knew how to directly harness the mind power and hence, "inventing" a new technology was an easy thing for them.

Here's another link that gives good information:

http://www.crystalinks.com/vedic.html

The Vedic texts also talk about visitations from Devas (benign) and Asuras (malevolent). Hence, both types of ETs seem to exist. The Bhavishya Purana indicates that this period will be ruled by the Asuras, who will do everything in their capacity for self-aggrandisement at the expense of other people's happiness. It also mentions that the rulers of the world will ruthlessly confiscate the property of the people (sounds very much like the NWO agenda).

The Devas have tremendous power, but this power is derived from being in alignment with the source and submission to the Creator. Hence, they use this power only to help other living beings, or else they know that this power will be lost. The Asuras also have a lot of power, which is derived from intense austerities, but they use this power for self-glorification at the expense of others. The Puranas are filled with stories of conflict between Devas and Asuras. In almost all cases, the Asuras gain power and ascendancy in the beginning, then the Devas meditate on the Creator, and with the help of the Creator, they eventually succeed in vanquishing the Asuras after a long battle.

I see the same thing happening in today's time too....it's no different. And the Devas will undoubtedly come out victorious in the end.

Anyone who develops "Asuric" (evil) qualities will attract Asuras to his side....after all, like attracts like. He will certainly be lured by the promise of quick rewards and self-aggrandizement. However, this type of quick self-aggrandizement takes place by causing harm to others, and hence will never last long. The law of karma operates with precision and eventually all the asuric people will be defeated.

On the other hand, anyone who develops "Devic" or spiritual qualities will attract Devas to his side. Such a person will have to fight a long battle and be persistent enough to go past the illusion of defeat that comes in the beginning (when the asuras achieve initial victory). But with enough patience, faith and persistence, a Devic person will always win in the end. And when such a person wins, his victory and rewards will be permanent and long-lasting.

Hence, regardless of what happens in the outside world, our ultimate fate eventually rests on us.
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Old 02-07-2005, 02:33 PM
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Yes you r right crowneagle,
In Bible there are some descriptions also about airships. And this is true because Aliens help us to be what we are now a human being like we are now. Many sources talking about aliens came on Earth. Enoch was a proof, he gone with an airspace.
Even other Christians will be mad abotu that , that its true. There are aliens on our Earth even we know or dont know. Little Gray are here and use us . Because some guys want to hide them intentions. They are hereand they are bad.Only us with return face on true way - to God, help us to lift in a high spiritual level.
There are in other plan a good guys looking for best on Earth this another vibration is calling Shambala and in thouch with our level. They help us to pass some diffficul times and they help us to lift in a high vibration (spiritual level). They know about little grey also but they work in spiritual level for high Earth vibration and in that way little gray cant support the high vibration and they will go far away because same vibration attract same vibration So we have same vibration with these bad guys. We have to work to change that . All in this Universe its energy and all vibrate and same vibration resonate on same level. So a high vibration give us an high spiritual level. How we will do that? Just pray and back to God. All religions are good for pray to God. Dont think if somebody dont pray and recognize Jesus is wrong. What is wong when you pray to God with love ? Hiduism have different faces of God ( 10 big comsical Powers-feminine part and Brahma Vishnu and Shiva - masculine part) But these are different faces for the Unique God .This is what other people don't know about hinduism. there are plenty siddhas in Tibet India , China all pray to God and most of them so in touch with God in different spiritual levels. Just think and come back to God . Think your religion is one of 100 on this Earth but all only God let them but all religions are tools to go home to God. Just to use them for our rescue and love God and being open for His love.
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Old 02-07-2005, 03:25 PM
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get real,

I am not sure if people can or cannot "astral travel". It is possible that they can. However, when they do, they are totally vulnerable to demonic spirits and all kinds of tricks. After all, this is their realm.
How am I sure ? Hundreds of stories of people who have been there and ended up badly. Also, many people who converted to Christ after those experiences said that Jesus actually showed them the ugliness of those aliens, or spirit beings, or masters of light. After praying to God to reveal him the truth, a guy saw evil werewolf faces on the heads of their supposedly spirit guides.
Apparitions and ghosts come to Christians too, but they are usually driven away by a command in the name of Jesus. Why does it work 100% of times ? Because they fear Jesus like the devil fear the cross (pum intended). I know many people (including myself) who have been visited by those evil guys but got rid of them by claiming Jesus name.
I am getting somehow out of the subject here, but that was the only way to answer your question. If it quacks like a duck...must be a duck.
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Old 02-07-2005, 03:35 PM
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Hi Shatrani:

Good post. Actually Shamballa seems to be a physical plane in the Himalayas at a certain location but in a different dimension. Hence, an airplane flying over it cannot see it. It is said that many of the advanced Yogis, Siddhas, Rishis, Fakirs, Tirthankars, Bodhisattvas and Christ-Saints live there. I also believe that it is the beings in this plane that commissioned for world-changing incarnations, such as Krishna, Buddha or Jesus.

As you had said, it is also true that the current spiritual vibratory level in this planet is dense and negative. Hence, a continuous effort is required to keep our consciousness at a high level. Or else, it will simply slide towards the "default" level, which unfortunately is very negative.

I do not know much about aliens already here on earth, but I'm aware that many asuras incarnate in human form, create a mask of benevolence hiding their ulterior motive of global domination. Perhaps the "grays" are such asuras. The Puranas mention that the world is currently ruled by a few asura families, so that doesn't surprise me at all. But they will all be defeated in the end by the benign forces.

All true religions in the world are corrupted by asuric forces, hence we find too much of distortion. I like the insight of Dr. Rudolph Steiner, who talks about the "Ahrimanization" of religion. The purpose of religion to enable the person to get closer to the Source and become aligned with the source. This can be accomplished in many ways; hence we have many paths. Outer forms are not as important as the true essence. However, the agenda of the asuric forces is to deter man from going within and mistake the asuric forces to be "divine". This is exactly how the asuras prey on the human beings by sucking up their psychic energy. It's very much like the machines perpetually deriving energy from humans in the movie "matrix".

A person's vital essence (Ojas in Sanskrit) is a most powerful source of psychic energy, and the media is a very effective tool for inducing the humans to dissipate it. Everytime the vital essence is lost, the energy contained in it automatically goes to the asuric parasites. This has now become an everyday affair and that's exactly how the asuras keep people perpetually under control and tied to the Ahrimanic grossness of the physical plane. On the other hand, when one makes an effort to conserve the vital essence, he attracts the good devic forces to his side. With enough patience, faith and persistence, he gets access to a source of benign power that will back him up, when the asuric forces attack him. The ultimate victory will always be that of the Devic forces, and this is the good news that all of us should remember.

P.S. By the way, what made you choose the name "Shatrani"? It's actually a Sanskrit word that means a "female warrior" (the feminine form of the word "Kshatriya" or "Shatriya", which means a warrior) :-)
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Old 02-07-2005, 03:36 PM
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Home away from home,

I am familiar with Teslas work. It seems he was in a direction that would lead to break thru discoveries but was ripped off good by the government, Edison, etc.
It is possible that there is some kind of technology we dont understand. (Haarp, scalar weapons) It is possible that some of the UFOs are toys that fly without wings. But the methaphysical, moral, consequences of the UFO phenomena would still be the same.

When electricity was discovered, it was regarded as just one more aspect of nature that we could understand. IF we discover anti-gravity, or ray guns, or even this x-ray vision that this guy said he discovered this month, it will be the same. It is not a necessity that aliens taught that to us !

However, we must consider the MANY fake tricks that demons have been playing with us...spiritual surgery where they remove a big spider from your tummy, ectoplasm, ghosts, etc. It is here for anyone to see. Just come to Brazil one day. In the US those things also happen, but in the basement of magicians and satanists. And yes, it is demonic because ALWAYS there comes a time when the follower of these things is asked to pleadgealliance to the ugly beast.

Einstein didnt do anything for me, it is just a silly picture to put in the forums.
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Old 02-07-2005, 03:45 PM
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Shatrani,

The Bible tells us that demons are just angels that followed Satan in rebellion. They must obey their master and they do it until today.
The Christian view is that there is no middle ground. Jesus said that Satan is the Lord of this world, but victory is granted to those who seek protection in Christ.

Facing demons without this protection is a recipe for disaster. You will get beaten up and naked, like those guys in the Bible. However, you can go to hundreds of churches where demons are cast away from people in name of Jesus. They cant be ALL neurotic. The demons also express knowledge of things that are supernatural...they are not an invention from a psychologically sick mind.

This thread reminds me of the case of a German lady who went to a candomble session in Bahia, to watch a culturally rich experience...when the spirits were called, she fell face first on the floor and started to shake, possessed. In First World countries, people are still very materialistic minded... Without the protection of Jesus, anyone is easy pray for demons. Sometimes nothing happens because people outside of Christ is no threat to them, so they let them be...they say that themselves.




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And now about demons. They aren't entities with phisical body. They live in other plan(low level , low vibration).
They are satan's assistances, but they never resist around a human being with high vibration or things with high vibration(like: cross,incense or other divination things). They are tools without free will . They go where are atractted by low and dirty energy (vibration).They are tools because God use them to tempt us to see if we understand our lessons here on Earth. An spiritual human being are in touch with light (with God ) and these creatures(demons) hate the light. Demons listen and afraid when a spiritual human being is around. There are some practices in Tibet using by spiritual people - they use some kind of creatures because demons haven't free will and they go and they do what somebody asks them. Yes, I agree, sounds scareing for who doesn't knows about spiritual power and how to use it in positive sense only to help people to guide people on light way.
We are tempt by demons in every moment. Think twice when you smoke a ciggarette-you feed a demon. See how easy is it to be in touch with them? Think positive , keep you clen (body, mind ) and be in touch with God and never demons should be around. But this way is a little bit hard for many people. But this is the way, this is the target and opposite with Freemasons target. Be free and be in touch with light!
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Old 02-07-2005, 03:52 PM
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Ephesians6: you are WAY out of line.

Ahmad: I respect your sincerity and faithfulness but, as a Christian, I have to say that we believe Jesus was fully human and fully God. Trinity means that God is one, but is expressed in three persons: Son (Jesus), Father and Holy Ghost, so no idolatry here.

Islam and Christianity are VERY different in theological sense. Maybe we could find some understanding in the similarities, like morals, ethics and abhorrence of paganism and magic.

PS: Let us go back to the UFO subject ?
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Old 02-07-2005, 06:27 PM
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Einstein didnt do anything for me, it is just a silly picture to put in the forums.
Nice to hear the truth about this dimwit that

who is sold to the world as a genius and I as a

Jew fell for this NWO brainwashing real good and

I was going to then start brainwashing my kids ...

I now know better thanks to the internet.
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Old 02-07-2005, 09:59 PM
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A very interesting read on demons/fallen angels
It's long but worth reading.
The time is coming when they will pose as aliens
scare people into believing the world will face destruction if they don't do something. (global warming/mark of the beast?)

http://english.sdaglobal.org/testimony/supnatr.htm
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