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Old 09-11-2005, 06:25 AM
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Old 09-11-2005, 07:04 AM
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Seems the headline is no longer a headline:

WASHINGTON - A Pentagon planning document being updated to reflect the doctrine of pre-emption declared by President Bush in 2002 envisions the use of nuclear weapons to deter terrorists from using weapons of mass destruction against the United States or its allies.

The "Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations," which was last updated 10 years ago, makes clear that "the decision to employ nuclear weapons at any level requires explicit orders from the president."

But it says that in a changing environment "terrorists or regional states armed with WMD will likely test U.S. security commitments to its allies and friends."

"In response, the U.S. needs a range of capabilities to assure friend and foe alike of its resolve," says the 69-page document dated March 15.

A Pentagon spokesman said Saturday evening that Navy Cmdr. Dawn Cutler, a public affairs officer for the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has issued a statement saying the draft is still being circulated among the various services, field commanders, Pentagon lawyers and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's office, .

Its existence was initially reported by The Washington Post in Sunday editions, which said the document was posted on a Pentagon Internet site and pointed out to it by a consultant for the Natural Resorces Defense Council.

The file was not available at that site Saturday evening, but a copy was available at http://www.globalsecurity.org.

"A broader array of capability is needed to dissuade states from undertaking ... courses of action that would threaten U.S. and allied security," the draft says. "U.S. forces must pose a credible deterrent to potential adversaries who have access to modern military technology, including WMD and the means to deliver them."

It says "deterrence of potential adversary WMD use requires the potential adversary leadership to believe the United States has both the ability and will to pre-empt or retaliate promptly with responses that are credible and effective."

It says "this will be particularly difficult with nonstate (non-government) actors who employ or attempt to gain use of WMD. Here, deterrence may be directed at states that support their efforts as well as the terrorist organization itself.

"However, the continuing proliferation of WMD along with the means to deliver them increases the probability that someday a state/nonstate actor nation/terrorist may, through miscaluation or by deliberate choice, use those weapons. In such cases, deterrence, even based on the threat of massive destruction, may fail and the United States must be prepared to use nuclear weapons if necessary."

It notes that U.S. policy has always been purposely vague with regard to when the United States would use nuclear weapons and that it has never vowed not to be the first to use them in a conflict.

One scenario for a possible nuclear pre-emptive strike in the draft would be in the case of an "imminent attack from adversary biological weapons that only effects from nuclear weapons can safely destroy."

The Bush administration is continuing to push for development of an earth-penetrating nuclear warhead, but has yet to obtain congressional approval.

However, the Senate voted in July to revive the "bunker-buster" program that Congress last year decided to kill.

Administration officials have maintained that the U.S. needs to try to develop a nuclear warhead that would be capable of destroying deeply buried targets including bunkers tunneled into solid rock.

But opponents said that its benefits are questionable and that such a warhead would cause extensive radiation fallout above ground killing thousands of people. And they say it may make it easier for a future president to decide to use the nuclear option instead of a conventional weapon.

The Senate voted 53-43 to include $4 million for research into the feasibility of a bunker-buster nuclear warhead. Earlier this year, the House refused to provide the money, so a final decision will have to be worked out between the two chambers.
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Old 09-12-2005, 12:48 AM
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:10 AM
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WASHINGTON - A Pentagon planning document being updated to reflect the doctrine of pre-emption declared by President Bush in 2002 envisions the use of nuclear weapons to deter terrorists from using weapons of mass destruction against the United States or its allies.
If you look at the situation from the "terrorists'" point of view, wouldn't Pentagon and Bush look like terrorists using WMD, by their own standard?

Couldn't the "terrorists" be "envisioning the use of nuclear weapons to deter" PENTAGON & BUSH "from using weapons of mass destruction"?
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:16 AM
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WASHINGTON - A Pentagon planning document being updated to reflect the doctrine of pre-emption declared by President Bush in 2002 envisions the use of nuclear weapons to deter terrorists from using weapons of mass destruction against the United States or its allies.
If you look at the situation from the "terrorists'" point of view, wouldn't Pentagon and Bush look like terrorists using WMD, by their own standard?

Couldn't the "terrorists" be "envisioning the use of nuclear weapons to deter" PENTAGON & BUSH "from using weapons of mass destruction"?
All one has to do is listen to Myron Fagan's audio files about the NWO to realize that this is the same bloody script being used to demonize the United States as a revived Nazi EVIL EMPIRE!
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:44 AM
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Relax. You're going to die from cold and exposure and possibly hunger...not from a nuke.

These silly documents are simple discussion that have been around for 40+ years. They say nothing new but the Left and Bush haters in general jump up and down and say how outraged they are and the U.N wishes people loved them more so they could have more powers to stop naughty Presidents from being naughty.

Yawn...yawn...

Whack the cage and watch them jump.

Enjoy the Police State.
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Old 09-12-2005, 03:04 AM
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A few years ago, when they announced bunker busting nukes had been approved, I posted a "Pale Horse" post on another BB.

But pre-emptive nukes are another thing.

If I do a press conference, pointing at a country as being part of an axis of evil, and unless they capitulate (whether they can or cannot due to not having the ability that I attribute them), I reserve the right for pre-emptive action.

To "Pre-empt" a "Pre-emptive attack"...is that an attack in it's own right, or a defence ?
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Old 09-12-2005, 03:22 AM
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I guess it boils down to the old saying "attack is the best defense".

If you attack, you'd better make sure you win the war, because if you win, you decide the laws and rules in hindsight.

If you attack and lose the war, you'll end up like the Nazis. No matter how noble or honest your reasons to attack were, you end up as a "war criminal" because your enemy, whom you attacked, is deciding the rules of the game AFTER they've won - like the Communists/Bolsheviks at the Nuremberg Tribunals.
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Old 09-12-2005, 04:59 AM
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I'm inclined to agree with TB about the end scenario, especially for the U. S., but I wouldn't rule out a few strategically placed nukes to destroy the military infrastructure and strike-back capability.
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Old 09-12-2005, 12:23 PM
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The only way for the US to be brought down for sure would be an all-out nuke attack from Russia. Or maybe a scalar weapons attack, if such story is indeed true. And when it happens, you can be damn sure it is the Great Tribulation coming. Get a Bible and start reading Revelation.

Any other kind of attack would do little to undermine the tremendous power of the US. A dirt radioactive bomb in a city ? What effect would it have on the fleet of atomic subs or the ICBMs ? None. A suitcase bomb in Phoenix ? The aircarriers would be sailing anyway.

My guess is that the US will have to go down eventually. As a Christian, I believe this whole mess is the preparation for the coming of the New Age, Masonic antiChrist. The US is the only real resistance to his new world order, and will have to go. The Gog Magog war, (invasion of the Middle East by Russia and allies) will have to be preceded by a preemptive strike on the US (commercial Babylon). Otherwise, how could they invade Israel unthreatened ?
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